The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

Charlie69

MfMan wrote: »

My 2P worth, I'd have Whelehan and Walsh as the wing-backs; Walsh was a force of nature. Good as Paudie Maher was/is, he's just a better version of O'hAilpin, I couldn't put him on a par with Whelehan or Walsh.
As a specialist corner-back, Ollie Canning was far superior to Brian Corcoran, ask Eoin Kelly or Charlie Carter for two.

Ollie canning... brilliant defender.. an absolute beast... young Barrett or Paul Murphy in his pomp better than Corcoran( at corner back} imo also.

Chalk McHugh

Ollie Canning fantastic corner back. And many top corner forwards who played against him say he was their toughest opponent. Unlucky not to make my team but Brian Corcoran had to make it as he was a colossas. And he won Hurler of the Year as a 19 year old corner back so that enabled me to put him in the corner. I know he played most of his hurling away from the corner but my team is the best 15 hurlers ive ever seen and Corcoran makes that team.

Charlie69

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Ollie Canning fantastic corner back. And many top corner forwards who played against him say he was their toughest opponent. Unlucky not to make my team but Brian Corcoran had to make it as he was a colossas. And he won Hurler of the Year as a 19 year old corner back so that enabled me to put him in the corner. I know he played most of his hurling away from the corner but my team is the best 15 hurlers ive ever seen and Corcoran makes that team.

You won't be surprised to hear I thought picking Corcoran for hurler of the year in 1992 was a terrible decision... Pat O'Neill was brilliant all year including MOTM in the All-Ireland final... that's in my (hugely biased) opinion though .

Chalk McHugh

Charlie69 wrote: »

You won't be surprised to hear I thought picking Corcoran for hurler of the year in 1992 was a terrible decision... Pat O'Neill was brilliant all year including MOTM in the All-Ireland final... that's in my (hugely biased) opinion though .

Yea he was a nice hurler. Not the most mobile man but lovely wrists and a pure striker of the sliotar.

Was Pat Dwyer playing that day?

Chalk McHugh

Charlie69 wrote: »

You won't be surprised to hear I thought picking Corcoran for hurler of the year in 1992 was a terrible decision... Pat O'Neill was brilliant all year including MOTM in the All-Ireland final... that's in my (hugely biased) opinion though .

So you're a cat, Charlie. I was supporting Kilkenny in that 1992 final and always do when they play Cork. But thats as far as my Kilkenny support goes

Charlie69

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Yea he was a nice hurler. Not the most mobile man but lovely wrists and a pure striker of the sliotar.

Was Pat Dwyer playing that day?

Yes Pat was playing and had a very good game... another Kevin Kinahan type who quietly went about his business without any fuss... savage full back.

MfMan

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Ollie Canning fantastic corner back. And many top corner forwards who played against him say he was their toughest opponent. Unlucky not to make my team but Brian Corcoran had to make it as he was a colossas. And he won Hurler of the Year as a 19 year old corner back so that enabled me to put him in the corner. I know he played most of his hurling away from the corner but my team is the best 15 hurlers ive ever seen and Corcoran makes that team.

Corcoran was very good that year, but because he was new on the scene, became a bit of a media darling which influenced Hurler of the Year selections a bit I feel. Pat O'Neill was very good that year as I recall, as he was again in '93, to Galway's detriment :-(

Chalk McHugh

Charlie69 wrote: »

Yes Pat was playing and had a very good game... another Kevin Kinahan type who quietly went about his business without any fuss... savage full back.

One Kilkenny man that doesn't have the big profile that some others have is Willie O Connor. His brother Eddie was a good hurler but Willie was one of the best defenders of any era. Teak tough, great reader of the game and so fast to rise the ball and clear it. Incrediblly skillful player. After Tommy and JJ for me he was the best Kilkenny defender ive seen. God knows there's been enough of them.

Chalk McHugh

MfMan wrote: »

Corcoran was very good that year, but because he was new on the scene, became a bit of a media darling which influenced Hurler of the Year selections a bit I feel. Pat O'Neill was very good that year as I recall, as he was again in '93, to Galway's detriment :-(

Yea fair point. He was a monster for a 19 year old though. Strong as a horse.

Galway threw the 1990 final away. Again i was at that one on the Hill at the Cork end. I never want Cork to win so was disappointed that day.

Charlie69

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

One Kilkenny man that doesn't have the big profile that some others have is Willie O Connor. His brother Eddie was a good hurler but Willie was one of the best defenders of any era. Teak tough, great reader of the game and so fast to rise the ball and clear it. Incrediblly skillful player. After Tommy and JJ for me he was the best Kilkenny defender ive seen. God knows there's been enough of them.

Great player... a bit of speed over the first five yards and an immaculate first touch are great attributes for any position but vital for corner back. So many good players over the years, like i said Cathal Barrett or Brendan Maher very hard to leave out of any team.

Chalk McHugh

Charlie69 wrote: »

Great player... a bit of speed over the first five yards and an immaculate first touch are great attributes for any position but vital for corner back.

Wasn't it Franz Beckenbaur who was once accused of being slow to get from A to B. His reply ' i dont start from A, though' or something similiar. The 6 inches between the ears seperates the best from the rest.

iebamm2580

MfMan wrote: »

My 2P worth, I'd have Whelehan and Walsh as the wing-backs; Walsh was a force of nature. Good as Paudie Maher was/is, he's just a better version of O'hAilpin, I couldn't put him on a par with Whelehan or Walsh.
As a specialist corner-back, Ollie Canning was far superior to Brian Corcoran, ask Eoin Kelly or Charlie Carter for two.

In my biased view i would have paudie before whelahan or Walsh, will be a massive loss to us when he retires, has it all size skill can take a score, not many of the others have all those attributes.

maximo31

Tipp V Galway '88 on TG4 at 4.05 today if anyone wants a look.....

robbiezero

iebamm2580 wrote: »

In my biased view i would have paudie before whelahan or Walsh, will be a massive loss to us when he retires, has it all size skill can take a score, not many of the others have all those attributes.

Same. A colossus for us in the last decade.
Better version of O'hAilpin, Christ Almighty.
O'hAilpin was a limited enough hurler but one of the best athletes of that generation. Paudie is an incredible hurler.

iebamm2580

Thought that was an insult alright to compare him in anyway to o hailpin. hurlers like ohailpin are ten a penny nowadays with all the extra gym work being done. Big difference in having size and skill.

Chalk McHugh

1988 was a tough loss for Tipp. What i remember of the game is John Leahy scoring a goal in the second half that was pulled up for a free in to Tipp instead. And Pat Fox drop pucking a goal attempt from close to the Galway goal that went straight at John Commins. A yard left or right and was a certain goal. English and Fox had poor games by their high standards. I heard Fox say he wanted the ground to open up and swallow him when he missed that goal as hardly anything went right for him. Donie O Connel should have passed the ball to Fox for a goal chance in first half when Fox was fres inside but he took a handy point instead. That was a great Galway team though and the two teams had a savage rivalry at the time.

Mantis Toboggan

Half time in the 88 final, Galway look far superior. Tipp hitting loads of aimless ground balls to no-one. Nicky with 2 poor misses from place balls. 3 Bonners badly struggling. Very little in the way of team play, it's generally get it and hit it as fast as possible regardless of where it goes and shoot from ridiculous angles. They'd be annihilated in today's game.

Chalk McHugh

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Half time in the 88 final, Galway look far superior. Tipp hitting loads of aimless ground balls to no-one. Nicky with 2 poor misses from place balls. 3 Bonners badly struggling. Very little in the way of team play, it's generally get it and hit it as fast as possible regardless of where it goes and shoot from ridiculous angles. They'd be annihilated in today's game.

Only one Bonnar playing. And he was non existant in first half. Never rated him as a good hurler.

Chalk McHugh

Nickys boss on his hurley was tiny. Didn't leave any room for even the slightest of miss hits.

Mantis Toboggan

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Only one Bonnar playing. And he was non existant in first half. Never rated him as a good hurler.

Could have sworn a saw Cormac in the first half. TG4 don't even put up the score let alone the teams. No wonder I didn't see em anywhere near the ball.

Chalk McHugh

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Could have sworn a saw Cormac in the first half. TG4 don't even put up the score let alone the teams. No wonder I didn't see em anywhere near the ball.

Chalk McHugh

Game was there for Tipp. Big wind behind them and had it back to one point deficit with 20 mins left.

Chalk McHugh

I must comment on Colm Bonnars complete no show in this final. I dont think he felt the weight of the sliotar in his hands for the whole match. I wouldn't have thought that even possible for a midfielder. Babs must have noticed it in first half as he shunted him up corner forward to no effect. But he was back doing nothing in midfield for the duration of the 2nd half. Babs took off Joe Hayes who, if wasn't playing very well, at least was involved at times and hitting some ball. To cap off Colm Bonnars terrible game his direct opponent Pat Malone scored 0-3 from play in a man of the match performance. The difference in the winning and losing of the match right there. Still though, Tipp had plenty chances but for whatever reason the forwards just had a major off day when it mattered most.

Mantis Toboggan

Would agree on Bonnar was very poor, look very nervous, like a rabbit in headlights. Crazy that he was kept on. How many subs were allowed back then?

Poor enough performance from midfield up. Nicky and Fox offered very little. Declan Ryan was a class above the rest. Gerry Mcinerney had a cracker too. Overall better team won. Crazy that Galway just needed to win 2 games for an all ireland.

Edit: shocker from Nicky at the end for the penalty.

robbiezero

Very hard game to watch. Struggled to stay with it until the end. Its like watching a different sport compared to modern day hurling.
The skill levels have just increased beyond all recognition. As someone mentioned, the bigger boses on modern day hurleys have made a real difference to the quality of the striking.
2 lads just out of minor playing for Tipp. Wouldn't see much of that either nowadays

Chalk McHugh

I actually enjoyed the game. I love the hip-to-hip close quarters combat and lots of ground hurling and overhead pulling. There did seem to be very little space though. The new Croke Park field looks bigger. The likes of Nicky didnt have much room to work his magic.

hawkwing

Anyone over 40 knows '88 etc was a different ballgame,you can't pull on anything now for fear of a card so you had to get rid of the ball asap or be creased. If the ball was there and you pulled anywhere near it --fair game. Tippy/tappy possession game now that could be on concrete in a carpark but higher scoring. 1-20 for most losing teams today. Personally I preferred it up to before the cards/faceguards/backdoors but most wouldn't and there is no point arguing for either case as the game/rules/equipment/tactics are always changing. If there is hurling in 20yrs time it will be different again and some will look at today's games then and put them down too. Clare 97 we were told were a new level,Cork 05,Cats 08, etc etc Every 5 years people look back and think the current team would murder the others before them on every level. DJ Carey made a great point when asked would he have been great years ago--he said maybe he would have not been strong enough etc as it was a different game then and who knows.
Rugby and even cycling to a lesser extent keep changing too. And now with Nike vaporfly's etc you can hardly even compare running any more to the past.

Joe_ Public

People deride Babs but on the question of the weight of the ball, i think he's had a point over the years. Not sure when it began to show, or what official decisions were taken about sliotar specifications etc, but i dont recall many who were able to lamp a ball over from 80+ yards in the 80s. It's the one major change i would question.

robbiezero

hawkwing wrote: »

Anyone over 40 knows '88 etc was a different ballgame,you can't pull on anything now for fear of a card so you had to get rid of the ball asap or be creased. If the ball was there and you pulled anywhere near it --fair game. Tippy/tappy possession game now that could be on concrete in a carpark but higher scoring. 1-20 for most losing teams today. Personally I preferred it up to before the cards/faceguards/backdoors but most wouldn't and there is no point arguing for either case as the game/rules/equipment/tactics are always changing. If there is hurling in 20yrs time it will be different again and some will look at today's games then and put them down too. Clare 97 we were told were a new level,Cork 05,Cats 08, etc etc Every 5 years people look back and think the current team would murder the others before them on every level. DJ Carey made a great point when asked would he have been great years ago--he said maybe he would have not been strong enough etc as it was a different game then and who knows.
Rugby and even cycling to a lesser extent keep changing too. And now with Nike vaporfly's etc you can hardly even compare running any more to the past.

You would have to think the conditioning levels will be tapering out at this point. Hard to see how much more amateur players can get out of themselves.

Joe_ Public

Joe_ Public wrote: »

People deride Babs but on the question of the weight of the ball, i think he's had a point over the years. Not sure when it began to show, or what official decisions were taken about sliotar specifications etc, but i dont recall many who were able to lamp a ball over from 80+ yards in the 80s. It's the one major change i would question.

The weight of the ball is fair enough but thats not the only reason why the game is so much improved than it was then. There is players now that could hurl in a phone box like Cian Lynch and John Mcgrath. Watched Limerick v Galway from 1980 a few weeks back and it was a struggle for them to get the ball on the bás at times.