Boards.ie PW Draft 2016 discussion thread!

Imnotthehulk

Shame to see Jake Roberts go, was hoping to get him myself.

I think there will actually be quite a number of big names left by the end of the next round. Some of the biggest names in the first and second rounds weren't picked until the bottom end (Sting and Yokozuna for example) or picked at all.

Of course the fear is losing the right big name. I picked Dan Spivey and Scott Hall in the last round, and I'm sure some people think that Hall was my main pick and Spivey the bonus. But the truth is, I wanted to get Waylon Mercy, I couldn't risk not getting him, it was just incredible luck that he happened to tag with Razor Ramon for a period at the start of their careers.


I guess I'm just saying I don't mind the stipulation rounds. It looks like previous drafts are won and lost in the writing of the shows and ppvs, something I don't think I'll be particularly good at ... so the actual choices people make aren't as important as the way they are used.

My plan from the outset wasn't to get the biggest names, but just to try and get people I think it would be fun to use, and hopefully, maybe, be able to write something for.

(That said I really wanted waylon mercy, and would've cursed you all if someone else had picked him!)

ShagNastii

Probably gonna come across like a real p*ick here (especially given my favourable draw). Take it easy on BH and relax a bit. It is only a game.

The luck of the draw really is part of it. As are the stipulations. And eventhough they nearly always cause some sort of a controversy IMO they do make you think, jazz up the game and add to the enjoyment of the draft.

Missing one or two guys because of the draw or a stip isn't too earth shattering. Just say to yourself "Awh crap back to the drawing board".

In this round as Brad Maddox guy states-The megastar former world champs are mostly all gone and even if the stip wasn't there big names would fall. If needs be get rid of the stipulation.

Bounty Hunter

I'll wait a few hours and see what the general consensus is (if there are any more posts on the matter). Don't worry I know it's not an issue of getting at BH as this type of reaction has happened before (and much worse previously) but I do want it as fair as possible and if its a situation where the general feeling is that the stip (not the random draw) isn't ideal in terms of fairness then ill replace it no issues with a stip thatd mean the people earlier in the draw while having the advantage of being earlier in the draw wouldn't potentially get so many more big names as a result. Then the following round would be stip free and based on peoples average draw so far so really there should be no issues after that.

Lord TSC

For what its worth, I love the stip.

I feel the random nature of the draft is a core gameplay element to it. You can't plan too far ahead, and the entire point of the game is being able to formulate a roster when roadblocks are thrown in the way, and twists force you to abandon preconceived plans and look for new ones.

Rounds 1 and 2 limited the number of big names available, and there's still an absolute shedload of them available going into round 4. I like the idea that this round will see an increase of big names going now though. It creates more of that excitement which comes from seeing who others are picking, heart beating as you fear someone will take the guys you want.

SlickRic

Lord TSC wrote: »

For what its worth, I love the stip.

I feel the random nature of the draft is a core gameplay element to it. You can't plan too far ahead, and the entire point of the game is being able to formulate a roster when roadblocks are thrown in the way, and twists force you to abandon preconceived plans and look for new ones.

Rounds 1 and 2 limited the number of big names available, and there's still an absolute shedload of them available going into round 4. I like the idea that this round will see an increase of big names going now though. It creates more of that excitement which comes from seeing who others are picking, heart beating as you fear someone will take the guys you want.

I agree.

My only point is that the random nature might be more punishing with this stip as it is timed. that's all. simply because of the sheer volume of big names that will probably go now very quicklu.

I'm very happy to keep going as is. as i've said, this isn't a big, big deal. tbh, i should probably let the round run before posting up any issues, because my fears might not be that well founded in practice.

and as others have said, it's all about the writing, and how you match up the members of your roster that counts.

DM_7

Question: Does the IWGP heavyweight title count as a world title this year?


Re next round: Does drafting a tag champ and partner count as one of your tag teams? It should imo.

On the stip I don't see a major problem with it, that could be my own fault for not having great knowledge of possible tag teams that fall in line with this stip.

Bounty Hunter

SlickRic wrote: »

I agree.

My only point is that the random nature might be more punishing with this stip as it is timed. that's all. simply because of the sheer volume of big names that will probably go now very quicklu.

I'm very happy to keep going as is. as i've said, this isn't a big, big deal. tbh, i should probably let the round run before posting up any issues, because my fears might not be that well founded in practice.

and as others have said, it's all about the writing, and how you match up the members of your roster that counts.

nah appreciate you voicing your concerns just like MNG on this issue and it's better that you say it beforehand as I can't change anything afterwards although from the last 4 posters posts and your own on the issue I guess I will be letting the stip go as is although this discussion did make make me decide (as stated in earlier posts) that the following round (wasn't sure before but I knew it'd be soon) will be based on your average draw so far.

DM_7 wrote: »

Question: Does the IWGP heavyweight title count as a world title this year?


Re next round: Does drafting a tag champ and partner count as one of your tag teams? It should imo.

On the stip I don't see a major problem with it, that could be my own fault for not having great knowledge of possible tag teams that fall in line with this stip.

Yes the IWGP HW title counts and yes any tag team you draft no matter the round they are drafted in counts once they are drafted together.

mrkiscool2

I know you've already made your decision BH, and that's grand, but I'd agree with MNG on this. Again, it's another stip and while it does open up the draft (unlike the Rd. 2 one which limited it IMO), if you've had a bad draw in that round and this round, then it is going to make the draft a lot more difficult in terms of star power. I've got a pretty good draw so if I was being an ass I could agree it's a good idea, but I don't think it's fair if someone was in the bottom 10 for round 2 and is in the bottom 10 again now. Again, just my opinion!

Bounty Hunter

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

I know you've already made your decision BH, and that's grand, but I'd agree with MNG on this. Again, it's another stip and while it does open up the draft (unlike the Rd. 2 one which limited it IMO), if you've had a bad draw in that round and this round, then it is going to make the draft a lot more difficult in terms of star power. I've got a pretty good draw so if I was being an ass I could agree it's a good idea, but I don't think it's fair if someone was in the bottom 10 for round 2 and is in the bottom 10 again now. Again, just my opinion!

tbh I was just going by what seemed like the general consensus was seing as TSC, Shag, Hulk and DM seemed pro the stip and Slick was willing to go with it. I have no issue at all with changing it if enough people are put off with the stip and enough doesent need ot be a majority as im sure people wouldn't want a good proportion of people miffed by a stip when I could easily swap it out for another one. I personally have no problem with it obviously although I did get 19 in the 2nd round and 14 (iirc) in this round.

DM_7

I wan't here for the first two rounds with the stips so I am not starting from the same mindset as others.

I wouldn't mind if it was changed back to a normal round.

Another Question: What is the starting point for trades and how many can be made overall?

OFFER: Chris Benoit is available to anyone who wants to write for him.

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Yes the IWGP HW title counts

That explains why Nakamura and Tanahashi were not selected together this year

A Brad Maddox Guy

I've no real issue with this stip, I think it worked well last year and as it can be ignored there's no guarantee that people will even use it (I know I didn't last year along with 7 others). I'd be interested in hearing why you felt a stip was necessary for this round at all though? Just seems that the stips for round 1 & 2 were designed to keep a lot of high quality picks available into later rounds but this stip undoes that by letting a lot of high quality go in a 2-for-1 deal. I certainly see where MNG is coming from anyway

Bounty Hunter

In fact the more I think about it I'll probably swap this out, makes no difference in the grand scheme of things but with I think at least 5 (slick, TBC, Omack, MNG, Mrk) posters feeling the stip isn't ideal given whats gone before it then why not change it.


It will be for another stip though and that stip will actually be more restrictive (considering the one its replacing is one of only a few that actually allows a lot more options to draft from) but as said the following round will then really address any random order problems as with more options left due to me swapping the stips in rd4 and rd5 having an order based on the draws youve gotten so far.

Sound fair?


assuming nobody has any issues with that decision, i'll post up the replacement stip in the next hour or so both here and edited into the place of the other one in the picks thread.

edit- re: trades - Usually its around round 6 that they are allowed be made but you can always pre negotiate them anyway and tbh I might make it earlier than that this year but will mention it at the start of a rounds draw. I believe the limit is 5 trades but I'm 99% sure that is in the rules in the picks thread OP

DM_7

Thanks for the answers on rules, didn't realise they were in the OP of the picks thread!

beakerjoe

My two cents. Ive first no problem with the stip being used or not, so Ive no problem with the stip being dropped. (Ive pick 1/2 in the next round).

Its all down to luck in the end of the day and a run of bad luck can screw you over. But isn't that part of the game itself? Is the stip harsh on those down the end of the round ? Yes.... is it unfair.... sadly I don't think it is, its just the game and the roll of the dice.

I had bad draws the first year I took part and had a less than star packed roster, but it what really counts is how you use your roster, you can make a midcarder a bona fide main event mega star with good writing. For example I had ambrose two years ago, when it can be argued he was a mid carder at best. Yet he ended up winning superstar of the draft.

But anyway, I'm happy letting the stip drop, I wasn't using it anyway. However I hope a new stip doesn't hinder me either.

I do have great sympathy with BH though, hes doing a great job so far in a thankless role as host.

Lord TSC

BH, will there be a celeb round? There's one I desperately want :P

beakerjoe

I'm debating the need of a celeb, I have 2 in mind but I don't know if I can really make the most of either of them.

beakerjoe

Also on trades, Whats the point of holding back on trades until a later round? I'm sure theres a good reason but I cant think why myself

Bounty Hunter

I think if it was just people complaining about the draw i'd not change anything but I can understand the issue with the stip and as I said I would change it to a less Extreme stip....


The draft is going to go...EXTREME!

In this round your pick must have appeared in ECW, that can include WWE's ECW aswell as the classic ECW. All other usual rules still apply

Draft order remains the same

Bounty Hunter

Yes there will be a celeb round but as always it will be optional and I think less people have been using them in recent years.

beakerjoe

Now I have a problem with this stip, as this serious hinders my plans. Ill roll with the punches, but I'm unhappy as this stip is only in place because others where unhappy.

Ive no problems with the stip being dropped but putting another stip in its place isn't exactly fair either especially one so restrictive.

you cant keep everyone happy BH.

Bounty Hunter

Well I believe that the issue with the other one was that if anything it was the opposite of restrictive and meant that so many big names would be taken before the people later on had a chance to pick and that it would leave things a little un equal especially seeing as some of those people had already had some pretty poor draws. A restrictive stip in its place eliminates this problem especially with the following round planned to be a stip free one where the round order is determined by average draw to this point.

messing up peoples plans is different to people thinking a stip gives people advantages imo. This stip for example kinda messes up who I wanna pick as there are more than one ECW guy I would like and without this stip might have got but in no way can I think this stip is unfair on people especially with the round ive already announced as following it.

beakerjoe

I understand what your saying and like I said Ive no problems with this stip in this round. I'm just annoyed at how we have arrived at having a new stip in this round rather than just removing the stip. Ill get over it BH you roadblocker. I guess I'm just annoyed at having my plans changed.

It just means Ive to readjust I guess.

paulie21

Like the stip someone instantly came to mind when I seen it, there be trouble if somebody drafts that person or persons before me :pac:

A Brad Maddox Guy

Question BH, if Cheese & I get our picks done before someone signs up do I just PM beakerjoe to start the next round?

brianregan09

This is a fantastic stipulation in my eyes I've had great fun writing with ecw guys in the past

Bounty Hunter

A Brad Maddox Guy wrote: »

Question BH, if Cheese & I get our picks done before someone signs up do I just PM beakerjoe to start the next round?

Was hoping not to have to answer that cos someone would sign up but tbh we may have gotten lucky the last two times to get replacements in so quickly and seamlessly.

I would say yes that when Cheese is on if you two pick and nobody else has added their name then we just consider Beaker at no.2 in the order to be next and pm him.

If someone signs up before the end of that round then they can pick whenever they like as (PTH2009 did when he signed up) they would have been first. If nobody signs up by the end of the next round The Rock, Roddy Piper & Kane will get added to the wrestlers available in the pre 1970s round (would be nice to get a no.1 draw in that round eh).

beakerjoe

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Was hoping not to have to answer that cos someone would sign up but tbh we may have gotten lucky the last two times to get replacements in so quickly and seamlessly.

I would say yes that when Cheese is on if you two pick and nobody else has added their name then we just consider Beaker at no.2 in the order to be next and pm him.

If someone signs up before the end of that round then they can pick whenever they like as (PTH2009 did when he signed up) they would have been first. If nobody signs up by the end of the next round The Rock, Roddy Piper & Kane will get added to the wrestlers available in the pre 1970s round (would be nice to get a no.1 draw in that round eh).

I like the idea of them being available in the Pre 70s round, nice touch.

Bounty Hunter

time difference and all if someone else does sign up I'll probably be asleep but if anyone wants to pop into the sign up thread and say welcome aboard your drafting next (or whenever) etc, though maybe nobody will sign up this time.


The more I look into this stip and considering old school ecw and WWE's incarnation there are sh!t loads of great picks available in this round even if many of those people only had like 1/2 match in one of those ECWs

beakerjoe

Once they've wrestled or appeared on the ECW they are ok to pick, correct?

Bounty Hunter

beakerjoe wrote: »

Once they've wrestled or appeared on the ECW they are ok to pick, correct?

yeah thats correct