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thebostoncrab

Well....thank God I have a list of 20 names!

Bounty Hunter

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Well....thank God I have a list of 20 names!

serves you right for making such a good pick last round :pac:


One would have to assume that, especially seeing as most people have not been taking them thus far, here come the tag team picks!

I'd say at no.14 I might get my planned pick seeing as I was planning that I might not get a great draw but tbh if I don't it may not be the end of the world as I am currently questioning the plan I have in mind for that pick should I be able to make it. Always happens, no matter how much I plan in advance i'll completely change plans during the draft

SlickRic

I'm a bit bored of these low draws.

My list will be annihilated with that stip.

Uncle Walt

Really good stip.. This round will really make or break a tonne of rosters!

Bounty Hunter

SlickRic wrote: »

I'm a bit bored of these low draws.

My list will be annihilated with that stip.

I know you know it's the luck or lack there of of the draw but for some reason I still feel like saying sorry. Thankfully you've gotten a really nice roster despite no early draws so far

This is a good time though to highlight a planned stip for later. We have before made the last round a round where your average order decides your order in that round (i.e if you have averaged out getting the worst draw when all the rounds are taken into consideration then you get no.1 in that round). I will be doing that again this year but it won't be the last round it'll be much much earlier.

SlickRic

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I know you know it's the luck or lack there of of the draw but for some reason I still feel like saying sorry. Thankfully you've gotten a really nice roster despite no early draws so far

This is a good time though to highlight a planned stip for later. We have before made the last round a round where your average order decides your order in that round (i.e if you have averaged out getting the worst draw when all the rounds are taken into consideration then you get no.1 in that round). I will be doing that again this year but it won't be the last round it'll be much much earlier.

There's no need for sorry! I'm just a moany bastard!

LeeJM

Pick no.5, Im very happy with that. But can also understand others being disappointed with their positions. Not really sure where Im going to go with my pick.

Quick question BH, is the pre 1970 debut rule in effect this round?

Bounty Hunter

Yep the debut rule is in effect unless specifically stated otherwise in the stip.

LeeJM

Booooooooooo :pac: There goes one of my choices then. Plenty of others though so not to disappointed.

beakerjoe

Great stip for the next round, worked great last year.

I wont be tempted to use it though, sticking to my planned pic for this round

Bounty Hunter

Just looking into the average draw order so far and it makes interesting reading although we are only 4 rds in and 1/2 were reversed:

Only 2 posters have gotten no.1 so far - aaaaaaaahhhhhh & Stereomaniac
Despite that Stereomaniac does not appear as one of the top 5 best average draws
4 different posters have gotten no.20

Those are:

Shagnastii 14, 7, 2, 4 (average draw of 6.75)
aaaaaaaahhhhhh 20, 1, 6, 1 (average draw of 7)
LeeJM 7, 14, 5, 5 (average draw of 7.75)
Beakerjoe 16, 5, 12, 2 (average draw of 8.75)
LordTSC 11, 10, 4, 11 (average draw of 9)

edit: actually PTH2009 6, 15, 11, 3 (8.75) was 5th

meanwhile the bottom 5 are:
Thebostoncrab 9, 12, 13, 20 (average draw order of 13.5)
Mr Nice Guy 8, 13, 14, 18 (average draw order of 13.25)
Paulie21 5, 16, 17, 13 (average draw order of 12.75)
A Brad Maddox Guy 12, 9, 20, 8 (average raw order of 12.25) ahead via alphabetic order
Cheese Wagstaff 3, 18, 19, 9 (average draw order of 12.25)

of course we haven't even started rd4 yet though so TBC for example imo at least has one of the strongest rosters atm (still really too early to judge/compare though) despite having the worst average draw

thebostoncrab

To be honest as each year goes on the lower draft numbers in early rounds become less of a factor. Each year more wrestlers become bigger names and more tag teams have someone become a world champion, so it means bigger names become available. I think the lower draw becomes more of a factor at the end.

ShagNastii

I feel terribly bad for the good luck I've had this year so far but TBF I've never really had an amazing draw through all the years of drafting.

The draw does seem "make or break"at the early stages but over the years (and even more so now with more superstars being made this year) I have noticed that as a whole everyone's roster generally evens out over the game.

Everyone ends up with a least two real marquee names to build around.

LeeJM

Yea I would say there is a legit 60 huge main event names available in the time post 1970 era and Im being conservative saying 60. Id say everyone so far has a marquee main event available to them.

A Brad Maddox Guy

I didn't take advantage of that stip last year but with the amount of World Champions that will still be available next round I expect to this time. There's one person left for this round that I think would fit into my plans without much hassle but I haven't seen them wrestle too much so it would probably be a risky move for me when it comes to writing.

beakerjoe

A Brad Maddox Guy wrote: »

I didn't take advantage of that stip last year but with the amount of World Champions that will still be available next round I expect to this time. There's one person left for this round that I think would fit into my plans without much hassle but I haven't seen them wrestle too much so it would probably be a risky move for me when it comes to writing.

Sure who ever it is, do some research on WWE network or youtube. Great excuse to watch pro wrestling

PTH2009

So round 4 we can only pick tag teams which contain 1 former world champion. Can we pick a tag team that have no former champion or even customize a team ???

ShagNastii

PTH2009 wrote: »

So round 4 we can only pick tag teams which contain 1 former world champion. Can we pick a tag team that have no former champion or even customize a team ???

You can pick anyone/any team. Stip is there if you want it.

brianregan09

And I'm done for this round happy enough with Goldberg although he wouldn't have been my 1st choice good stip too for the next round who knows who'll be left when it gets to me looking forward to it though none of my choices have been 1st pick so i'm looking forward to adapting

beakerjoe

ShagNastii wrote: »

You can pick anyone/any team. Stip is there if you want it.

Well except a team with 2 world champions eg. Benoit and Angle

Mr.Nice Guy

This next round feels too much.

I've so far landed draws of 8th, 13th, 14th and now for the next round: 18th.

I don't get why this upcoming round was done now of all times when we've already had two stip rounds as it is; and if it were to be done, why not make it a reverse round and give a bit more fairness?

This round is really going to screw me over with people getting two picks in one.

Those who were bottom half for the round 2 death round should have been given a top half place for the upcoming round imo for a bit more fairness.

I know this will be dismissed as a moaning post (and it is) but come on, is this really fair? Really?

JP Liz V1

Can I ask please in picks thread you add name as well as picture makes it easier to see who is gone on phone

paulie21

Foley seems like good value at bottom end of round and should be easy to write for

Imnotthehulk

Mick Foley is a great pick. I feel like he is a bit under appreciated these days, but I was really hoping people would forget about him a bit longer!

thebostoncrab

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This next round feels too much.

I've so far landed draws of 8th, 13th, 14th and now for the next round: 18th.

I don't get why this upcoming round was done now of all times when we've already had two stip rounds as it is; and if it were to be done, why not make it a reverse round and give a bit more fairness?

This round is really going to screw me over with people getting two picks in one.

Those who were bottom half for the round 2 death round should have been given a top half place for the upcoming round imo for a bit more fairness.

I know this will be dismissed as a moaning post (and it is) but come on, is this really fair? Really?

If I being honest the more I think about the stip the less of a fan I am of it. I have 20 names, but I can see a whole bunch that can now be drafted together thanks to the stip, which seems to just limit the roster build rather than ensure its spilt (Which I always saw as the point of the champion rule). If it's later in the game then I think it's great, but this early I'm not a fan.

beakerjoe

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Can I ask please in picks thread you add name as well as picture makes it easier to see who is gone on phone

I second this, its something simple lads and it would be greatly appreciated. My job blocks most the picks and its where I do most my boards viewing.

A Brad Maddox Guy

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This next round feels too much.

I've so far landed draws of 8th, 13th, 14th and now for the next round: 18th.

I don't get why this upcoming round was done now of all times when we've already had two stip rounds as it is; and if it were to be done, why not make it a reverse round and give a bit more fairness?

This round is really going to screw me over with people getting two picks in one.

Those who were bottom half for the round 2 death round should have been given a top half place for the upcoming round imo for a bit more fairness.

I know this will be dismissed as a moaning post (and it is) but come on, is this really fair? Really?

At least this time the stip can be ignored. In the controversial RIP round we were all obliged to choose within the stip parameters but with this people can still draft according to their plans. Just had a look at my excel sheet for last year's draft and 12 people took advantage of this stip in Round 3 & of those picks 4 World Champions have already been taken this year so hopefully it won't be too big a deal to those with bad draws.

Bounty Hunter

Ok my thinking behind the stips so far

Rd1 - currently active - leaves loads of stars available for the next few rounds but everyone should get someone really good

Rd2 - very inactive - added the 20 year limit but removed the debut date because this actually allowed more potential big picks than the previous time this was run for this round but also left big names for a later pre 70 rule removal round. Even the guy in 20th seemed happy to have gotten a big name and others stated there were some they were surprised were not picked

Rd3 - Non stip - Thanks to rd 1&2 this round would still be packed full of stars and spreading them over 3 rounds would hopefully mean the random draw would be less likely to screw people out of stars especially with rd1/2 reversed.

Rd4 - tags with champs - This round has to be early or else all the champs would be gone anyway people with a good draw would have an advantage but most people usually say they want the random draws each year when it comes up despite such advantages.

Rd5 - planned to be a round where peoples average order so far would decide where they what number they get to pick this round, combined with reverse order rd1&2 and spreading the big names over multiple rounds having such a round early on when it can have an impact instead of in the last round as usual (may happen again there anyway) is the best way I can try and make the draft fair while still having random draws (which no matter what we will do will benefit some and not benefit others)

I have thus far not used any stips we have not had previously except in round 1 (which tbh was a pretty straight forward stip) and have no radical game changing stips planned as I don't want to mess with the format too much. 1 year we had a "pick from someone elses roster" type stip that almost caused people to drop out and the stip was eventually abandoned, I do not want to go anywhere near that road this year.

SlickRic

That's all logical BH, but the way it's worked out, the worry is that luck is now going to have a huge role.

Rds 1-3 have actually spread big names around nicely enough, and we'll done on that.

Rd 4 means, however, that by pick 15, 25 big names will possibly be gone in one fell swoop, to add to all the main eventers gone already. The whole conundrum of picking and choosing whether to pick a World Champ on his own from a tag team, or picking a really good tag team, is gone for the top of this round. You'll be getting a champion, while also getting an amazing tag team.

It's not going to make or break the draft at all. It's just with the way the stips have spread the names so far, this stip possibly wasn't needed IMO. It just might be something to think about for future years.

If we get to pick 20, and the picks are comparable to the early picks, then I'll be delighted to be proved wrong!

Bounty Hunter

As a few people have voiced their concerns while nobody has come out against those peoples points and as we have time I could change the stip to something a little less extreme.

To be fair to those who did get a good draw I'd still keep the order the same and as said the next round would be stip free but decided based on average order this far.

Layed out my reasoning for the stips above but that doesent mean I can't be flexible and change em up

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btw one of the reasons I said we have time is that there has actually been another drop out and he's no.1 in the next round, he dropped out for unavoidable reasons - moving country unexpectedly. Ideally I would try and get a replacement before the next round kicks off. If not I guess we could just add his picks to the available during the pre 70s round