Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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brookville wrote: »

I think the article is incorrect because kk aren't due to play their first walsh cup match till the 13th and the fixtures posted were for the earlier rounds.it also states on the local paper that the panel will return from holidays on the 10th and have being booked in for a home game against Dit on wednesday which will probably be on in dunmore[/quote

So you reckon they'll be playing in the Walsh Cup in Jan Brookville?

What is the plan with the holiday? How long are the lads away for?

brookville

Some of the younger lads are gone today while the others are going next week and there returning on the 10th and as I said it said on the local paper they will be entering the walsh cup on the 13th it will most likely be a experimental side I believe there's about 8 from next year's u21 panel on board which should hopefully be only a good thing

barneygumble99

TJ Reid: ‘If I heard a person saying that I’m cocky, I wouldn’t like it’
http://the42.ie/2492002

Good interview with TJ on 'The 42' earlier today. Well worth a read.

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brookville wrote: »

Some of the younger lads are gone today while the others are going next week and there returning on the 10th and as I said it said on the local paper they will be entering the walsh cup on the 13th it will most likely be a experimental side I believe there's about 8 from next year's u21 panel on board which should hopefully be only a good thing

Be a good idea to try out some players, even try lads in different positions etc. The older lads have nothing to prove at this stage but younger lads should be pushing hard for a place on panel and coming through this route would do them no harm.

By the way, do you will Larks miss all of National League or will he be back for end of it?

PlayByTheRules

I see the Kilkenny team are on their team holiday at present. Is it not a bit strange to be away at Christmas? Any particular reason why they go at this time?

dastardly00

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

I see the Kilkenny team are on their team holiday at present. Is it not a bit strange to be away at Christmas? Any particular reason why they go at this time?

I don't think the whole team are gone yet, only some of the players who want to do some additional travelling. I think the rest of the team are leaving on the 28th.

dastardly00

Also, happy Christmas to everyone; I think I'm right in saying that our Christmas present arrived on the afternoon of September 6th

Exiled1

Team going away on St Stephens Day. Some have taken their holidays earlier due to work commitments.

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dastardly00 wrote: »

Also, happy Christmas to everyone; I think I'm right in saying that our Christmas present arrived on the afternoon of September 6th

Nollaig Shona daoibh go léir. I always thought the Cats would be in Croker in Sept. After a tough league campaign, BC built again.

Not being smart but I'd fear no-one this year either.

brookville

Brian coady gave a interview on one of the papers today and he said his looking forward to the walsh cup where he is hoping to try alot of young fellahs

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brookville wrote: »

Brian coady gave a interview on one of the papers today and he said his looking forward to the walsh cup where he is hoping to try alot of young fellahs

That's good news. Great opportunity to try out some lads. Jackie could play Centre Half back.

big_drive

Any particular lads that look like getting a call up?

brookville

The word on the street is there's a lot of u21 in the seniors the bridge lads and glenmore contingent will be excluded so it's a good chance for richie reid in the goal.id be confident none of the senior lads will be asked to play and some of last year's fringe players have a chance to impress players like conor martin, chris bolger, diramuid coady etc

dastardly00

So KK are playing in the Walsh Cup?

blackcard

dastardly00 wrote: »

So KK are playing in the Walsh Cup?

Kilkenny due to play DIT at a kk venue on Wednesday 13th January at 7.30pm followed by Offaly in Birr on 17th January

brookville

The match against dit will probably be in dunmore or ballyragget I'm looking forward to seeing some young new faces

tbiggertycome

brookville wrote: »

The match against dit will probably be in dunmore or ballyragget I'm looking forward to seeing some young new faces

Yep I was talking to R Doyle just before Christmas and he was saying the 13th of January in Dunmore is where the first match is on and then against Offaly as said above however he thought it was also in Dunmore. He was also saying it would mainly be U21's alright.

I'm really looking forward to see who gets a run in this game and who put's there hand up. I expect quite a lot from these U21's this year and next. I think the likes of Evan Cody, Luke Scanlon, John Walsh mixed in with the lads who were on the fringe last year (Chris Bolger, Conor Martin, Richie Reid) along with one or two veterans who may have to prove their still able for it (Michael Rice, Jackie Tyrrell).

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tbiggertycome wrote: »

Yep I was talking to R Doyle just before Christmas and he was saying the 13th of January in Dunmore is where the first match is on and then against Offaly as said above however he thought it was also in Dunmore. He was also saying it would mainly be U21's alright.

I'm really looking forward to see who gets a run in this game and who put's there hand up. I expect quite a lot from these U21's this year and next. I think the likes of Evan Cody, Luke Scanlon, John Walsh mixed in with the lads who were on the fringe last year (Chris Bolger, Conor Martin, Richie Reid) along with one or two veterans who may have to prove their still able for it (Michael Rice, Jackie Tyrrell).

Yeah, last 2 you mentioned will be raring to go i'd say. Hopefully there'll be a freshness about them. Jackie could play at No. 6 without a bother. As stated before, i'd like to see Kevin Kelly get a good run out.

It's a good opportunity to try different players and work with different systems etc. Good chance also to see what cover is available in certain positions.

dastardly00

Speaking of Richie Doyle, there was an article published in the Irish Independent a couple of days ago. Interesting and well worth a read.

From here:

... "Something is missing when you're not hurling, my identity was lost and I felt lost. When you're in it, all you want is to play and be part of it. It's not a sacrifice, you're doing something you love. "Sometimes I just wouldn't feel like leaving the house and while you have the freedom to socialise, there's only so much of that you can take when you're used to a regime."

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dastardly00 wrote: »

Speaking of Richie Doyle, there was an article published in the Irish Independent a couple of days ago. Interesting and well worth a read.

From here:

Yeah, saw that article. Tough on the lad who only wants to hurl.

brookville

Personally I wouldn't play jackie or michael rice during the walsh cup.its a great opportunity for some of the young lads to make the league panel.id like to see some of the more experienced lads like lester, mark kelly,and brian kennedy mixed with the younger lads.ciaran delaney, evan coady and paddy deegan are three good defender's, luke scanlon has the potential to be a great player, james maher and chris bolger are good fowards. I'd like to see conor o shea get some game time in defence while I'd expect jason cleere and liam blanchfield to be involved once the bridge are finished.john walsh is putting in a huge effort to regain fitness and should be available next year for the u21s

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brookville wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't play jackie or michael rice during the walsh cup.its a great opportunity for some of the young lads to make the league panel.id like to see some of the more experienced lads like lester, mark kelly,and brian kennedy mixed with the younger lads.ciaran delaney, evan coady and paddy deegan are three good defender's, luke scanlon has the potential to be a great player, james maher and chris bolger are good fowards. I'd like to see conor o shea get some game time in defence while I'd expect jason cleere and liam blanchfield to be involved once the bridge are finished.john walsh is putting in a huge effort to regain fitness and should be available next year for the u21s

Did Jackie get any game time with the Village late this year?

brookville

No he missed the first round against ballyhale his last competitive match was the leinster final but I don't think he has anything to prove mick dempsey will have him spot on for next summer and if his up to it all well and good and if his not as was proven this year he will be a great man to have around the squad, michael rice is also a great guy for the younger players to have around the squad

kk1970

I think jackie needs to put in a couple of games for the club to prove that he is ok to resume county dutys

JJs Left Hand

Ridiculous statement to make. The club won't start until April so you want him to jump from club league games straight into inter county championship that far into the season? He'll re-join the panel in training when he's fit and well enough to do so and the last decade he has put in entitles him to that.

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brookville wrote: »

No he missed the first round against ballyhale his last competitive match was the leinster final but I don't think he has anything to prove mick dempsey will have him spot on for next summer and if his up to it all well and good and if his not as was proven this year he will be a great man to have around the squad, michael rice is also a great guy for the younger players to have around the squad

2 experienced men alright.

dobbs2210

kk1970 wrote: »

I think jackie needs to put in a couple of games for the club to prove that he is ok to resume county dutys

The man has 9 senior all-irelands medals is his pocket and has been outstanding in every single all ireland final he played. Always dominated his man in every single final. He has nothing to prove to nobody. Crazy statement.

unrealtime

wouldn't have Jackie at 6 at all.

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unrealtime wrote: »

wouldn't have Jackie at 6 at all.

Would be an option at CHB.

brookville

Jackie was tried at six for years and proved time and time again number 4 is his best position and I don't c the point in trying him at six again at 33 years of age.joyce is doing okay there anyway, I'd see buckley as long term number six

citykat

Jackie got a good run at 6 in 2014. Didn't work out for him. His last match there was the drawn Galway game. Cody went with Hogan for the replay. It'll be the corner or the bench next year. Given the amount of fouls Pender conceded in the AI, I reckon the place is still up for grabs.
Joyce'll be 6 next year though I'd love if he didn't take possession into contact so much this year. Maybe, for some reason, he was told to play this way but I thought he undid a lot of good work getting bottled up.

brookville

Altho shane done nothing wrong in his two games last year i feel the number 4 jersey is the only one up for grabs providing we have a full panel.i agree bout Joyce being excellent in the air but he has being penalised for charging and looking for frees when coming out with the ball.id say rob lennon could be tried at 4 it's a pity brian kennedy has slipped down the ladder

dastardly00

citykat wrote: »

Joyce'll be 6 next year though I'd love if he didn't take possession into contact so much this year. Maybe, for some reason, he was told to play this way but I thought he undid a lot of good work getting bottled up.

Totally agree. He needs to learn to give an easy hand pass to an unmarked team mate. There's no requirement for him to burst through a few opposition players every time he wins possession. My fear would be if we played Tipp (when they are having a good day), and he could get badly bottled up every time.

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brookville wrote: »

Altho shane done nothing wrong in his two games last year i feel the number 4 jersey is the only one up for grabs providing we have a full panel.i agree bout Joyce being excellent in the air but he has being penalised for charging and looking for frees when coming out with the ball.id say rob lennon could be tried at 4 it's a pity brian kennedy has slipped down the ladder

Good knowledgeable insight there lads. Tnx.

blackcard

brookville wrote: »

Altho shane done nothing wrong in his two games last year i feel the number 4 jersey is the only one up for grabs providing we have a full panel.i agree bout Joyce being excellent in the air but he has being penalised for charging and looking for frees when coming out with the ball.id say rob lennon could be tried at 4 it's a pity brian kennedy has slipped down the ladder

Shane gave away two frees in the AI by lying on top of the ball but he should be able to rectify this deficiency in his play. Overall, he has more pace than Jackie and I think he is in the prime position to hold onto his place. However, people have been questioning Jackie since 2006 so I wouldn't rule him out. I would like to see Rob Lennon given a go at centre half even if only as a backup to Joyce

Faugheen

People say Jackie has nothing to prove. In terms of a legacy of being one of the best corner backs to play the game, no he doesn't. In terms of staying in the team this season, yes he does. He looked off the pace a good chunk of last year. His experience and leadership was crucial in the end even though he didn't play.

I hope he can prove he still has it for another season and picks up number 10.

citykat

blackcard wrote: »

Shane gave away two frees in the AI by lying on top of the ball but he should be able to rectify this deficiency in his play. Overall, he has more pace than Jackie and I think he is in the prime position to hold onto his place. However, people have been questioning Jackie since 2006 so I wouldn't rule him out.

He gave away three frees in total, 1 in the first half and the two late in the second half. Watched it again in the interests of research :rolleyes:. In fairness to him, he actually had a great game in the AI (better than I had remembered:o). That challenge on Smith halfway through the second half was sweet. He was a little hard done by on the last free IMO. He carried that form into the club championship when he had a great county final for Clara.

tbiggertycome

I heard a few of the ex and current hurlers we're out for a few sociables ones in Syds to catch up last Saturday night. There were 8 of them there together and someone totted up how many AI medals the eight of them had between them. 70 AI senior medals between the 8 of them lots of counties haven't ever won 70 AI medals in all their history, many more couldn't scrap together lads with 70 AI medals still living and some counties don't have any AI medals at all and there last Saturday night were 8 lads not one of them over 36 as far as I remember and they had all that jingling in their pockets. We've truely been blessed with the caliber of player and manager we've had for the last 17 years.

I've also heard of at least two defensive additions to the squad.

Realt Dearg Sec

I'm always amazed how many players seem to carry their medals around in their back pockets.

randd1

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I'm always amazed how many players seem to carry their medals around in their back pockets.

We use them as 20 euro coins down here

brookville

Who are the two newcomers?

dastardly00

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I'm always amazed how many players seem to carry their medals around in their back pockets.

I always thought that you got trousers with special pockets that were custom made by Frank Wall if you were on the inter-county team :pac: :P

tbiggertycome

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I'm always amazed how many players seem to carry their medals around in their back pockets.

Poor choice of words I agree

Realt Dearg Sec

dastardly00 wrote: »

I always thought that you got trousers with special pockets that were custom made by Frank Wall if you were on the inter-county team :pac: :P

I worked in wall's as a teenager and the hurlers used to be told just to not come in in a massive group because it would be impossible to fit them all at once. And wouldn't you know it, every year, they'd arrive in a group of about ten at a time.

(I know, cool story bro)

citykat

brookville wrote: »

Who are the two newcomers?

Two Village lads no doubt! :rolleyes:

kfrp

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I heard a few of the ex and current hurlers we're out for a few sociables ones in Syds to catch up last Saturday night. There were 8 of them there together and someone totted up how many AI medals the eight of them had between them. 70 AI senior medals between the 8 of them lots of counties haven't ever won 70 AI medals in all their history, many more couldn't scrap together lads with 70 AI medals still living and some counties don't have any AI medals at all and there last Saturday night were 8 lads not one of them over 36 as far as I remember and they had all that jingling in their pockets. We've truely been blessed with the caliber of player and manager we've had for the last 17 years.

I've also heard of at least two defensive additions to the squad.

Met them all in a restaurant beforehand (River Gauche in the Left Bank).

Was with a few people not from Kilkenny so they were amazed to hear how many All Irelands were at the time

tbiggertycome

citykat wrote: »

Two Village lads no doubt! :rolleyes:

No it wasn't Village men I heard about 1 Boro and 1 Erins Own. Plus 5 Bridge lads who I'll be in after their AI

phkk

tbiggertycome wrote: »

No it wasn't Village men I heard about 1 Boro and 1 Erins Own. Plus 5 Bridge lads who I'll be in after their AI

The only back from the Boro I can think of who would be county standard is Evan Cody, fine hurler. Am I right?!

brookville

phkk wrote: »

The only back from the Boro I can think of who would be county standard is Evan Cody, fine hurler. Am I right?!

Evan cody, conor delaney and luke scanlon are in with the seniors along with a few other under 21 and jason cleere, liam blanchfield and a few more bennetsbridge lads will join up after the club has finished.ive heard its mostly u21 that are in with the senior setup

blackcard

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I heard a few of the ex and current hurlers we're out for a few sociables ones in Syds to catch up last Saturday night. There were 8 of them there together and someone totted up how many AI medals the eight of them had between them. 70 AI senior medals between the 8 of them lots of counties haven't ever won 70 AI medals in all their history, many more couldn't scrap together lads with 70 AI medals still living and some counties don't have any AI medals at all and there last Saturday night were 8 lads not one of them over 36 as far as I remember and they had all that jingling in their pockets. We've truely been blessed with the caliber of player and manager we've had for the last 17 years.

I've also heard of at least two defensive additions to the squad.

Henry Shefflin 10
Jackie Tyrrell. 9
JJ. Delaney 9
Tommy Walsh 8
Noel Hickey 8
Richie Power 8
Michael Kavanagh 8
Eoin Larkin 8
Aidan Fogarty 7
Am guessing at the above, I am sure I will be corrected