Eir rural FTTH thread

daraghwal

Really not fair for many people in rural Ireland, like me who are on a connection that at night is lucky to obtain 0.9 Mb/s to have to pay the same price over 2 years as someone getting 150Mb/s with FTTH. Drives me mad. Someone with a 100Mb/s service pays even less!! :mad:

ED E

daraghwal wrote: »

Really not fair for many people in rural Ireland, like me who are on a connection that at night is lucky to obtain 0.9 Mb/s to have to pay the same price over 2 years as someone getting 150Mb/s with FTTH. Drives me mad. Someone with a 100Mb/s service pays even less!! :mad:

And yet if you both pay €50, €70 pays for your line and €30 for theirs.

If it were fair, you'd pay more.

daraghwal

ED E wrote: »

And yet if you both pay €50, €70 pays for your line and €30 for theirs.

If it were fair, you'd pay more.

I understand that it costs more to run the ADSL service but it is still not fair for the consumer to have to pay the same amount or more for a speed that is at times 0.06% of what the 150Mb/s FTTH customer can get.

Red Alert

How are they terminating the FTTH? I presume they supply an optical interface but can I still use my own router via ethernet to it, or are they doing a "Virgin Media" on it and insisting you use their router?

ED E

Red Alert wrote: »

How are they terminating the FTTH? I presume they supply an optical interface but can I still use my own router via ethernet to it, or are they doing a "Virgin Media" on it and insisting you use their router?

The ONT is supplied to OpenEirs standard and mounted on your wall, after that you can place whatever you like (as long as you dont want their IPTV).

The Cush

Red Alert wrote: »

How are they terminating the FTTH?

Install pics posted here last Nov - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=97793128#post97793128, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=97842227#post97842227

This from an open-eir document previously

daraghwal

The Cush wrote: »

Install pics posted here last Nov - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=97793128#post97793128, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=97842227#post97842227

This from an open-eir document previously

Is that file the pictures are taken from available somewhere? I can't find it.

The Cush

daraghwal wrote: »

Is that file the pictures are taken from available somewhere? I can't find it.

IIRC it was taken from one of the eircom/open-eir NGA documents about 12 months ago.

Edit: found it NGA IPM v4_3 12 June 2014, page 120.

Red Alert

ED E wrote: »

(as long as you dont want their IPTV).

Thanks for posting that! What's the IPTV situation? I don't have it but g/f may want it.

ED E

Red Alert wrote: »

Thanks for posting that! What's the IPTV situation? I don't have it but g/f may want it.

Eirs is pretty poor, they rebrand netgem boxes which are really slow to respond and really compare badly to Skys and Virgins STBs. Don't get me wrong, it works and if its your only option its grand but if you can use sky over terrestrial dish then I'd opt for that even if its for a premium.

daraghwal

For some exchanges that are not part of the first 100,000 homes but are part of eir’s 300,000 blue line scheme it says “XXX premises in this exchange can now access up to XXMb/s fibre broadband. open eir’s FTTH 2017-2020 rollout programme with speeds up to 1Gb/s includes premises in this exchange area.” For others that are part of the remaining 200,000 it just says XXX premises in this exchange can now access up to XXMb/s fibre broadband.” Could this be an indication of what exchanges will be part of the next 100,000 homes or is it just the way the map is done? My local exchange info was updated in april just saying people can now access up to 70Mb/s fibre broadband. It is part of the blue line scheme but doesn’t say anything about FTTH!

Johnboy1951

From what I understand that up to 70 or 100 refers to lines connected to cabs that have gone live.

Other premises which are further out will get FTTH from the same exchange.

daraghwal

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

From what I understand that up to 70 or 100 refers to lines connected to cabs that have gone live.

Other premises which are further out will get FTTH from the same exchange.

I realise that but I am wondering about the FTTH element. On many exchanges it give the FTTC info then the FTTH info. On my own exchange and many others it just gives FTTC info. I am wondering is this an indication of what exchanges are part of the second 100,000 to be done or is it just the way they are updating the map? The two situations I mentioned above are both FTTC live at the moment and are due for upgrade to FTTH as part of the 300,000 eir are going to do. Neither are part of the first 100,000.

Johnboy1951

daraghwal wrote: »

I realise that but I am wondering about the FTTH element. On many exchanges it give the FTTC info then the FTTH info. On my own exchange and many others it just gives FTTC info. I am wondering is this an indication of what exchanges are part of the second 100,000 to be done or is it just the way they are updating the map? The two situations I mentioned above are both FTTC live at the moment and are due for upgrade to FTTH as part of the 300,000 eir are going to do. Neither are part of the first 100,000.

I would suggest your guess is as good as anyone else's guess.

I certainly don't know and I doubt if anyone else does who would not be prevented from saying.

tsue921i8wljb3

daraghwal wrote: »

For some exchanges that are not part of the first 100,000 homes but are part of eir’s 300,000 blue line scheme it says “XXX premises in this exchange can now access up to XXMb/s fibre broadband. open eir’s FTTH 2017-2020 rollout programme with speeds up to 1Gb/s includes premises in this exchange area.” For others that are part of the remaining 200,000 it just says XXX premises in this exchange can now access up to XXMb/s fibre broadband.” Could this be an indication of what exchanges will be part of the next 100,000 homes or is it just the way the map is done? My local exchange info was updated in april just saying people can now access up to 70Mb/s fibre broadband. It is part of the blue line scheme but doesn’t say anything about FTTH!

No, I don't believe that you can read into the rollout like that. To understand the map you have to look at the timeline of eir announcements in relation to FTTH:


4th June 2015 - (then) Eircom announce 300000 homes to benefit from FTTH as reported here

3rd March 2016 - openeir announce the locations of the first 100000 premises to get FTTH by March 2017 here

However if you compare the graphic in Adrian Weckler's report with the March 2016 announcement they are quite different. For example in my own county out of 11 areas announced in June 2015 only 4 made it into the March 2016 announcement of 15 exchange areas.

I believe the message

open eir's FTTH 2017-2020 rollout programme with speeds up to 1Gb/s includes premises in this exchange area.

is related to the June 2015 announcement. All the areas announced in my county in 2015 have the message but as I have already stated a lot of these areas have been overlooked with regard to the first 100000 so I believe you cannot expect them to be included in the next 100000.

daraghwal

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

No, I don't believe that you can read into the rollout like that. To understand the map you have to look at the timeline of eir announcements in relation to FTTH:


4th June 2015 - (then) Eircom announce 300000 homes to benefit from FTTH as reported here

3rd March 2016 - openeir announce the locations of the first 100000 premises to get FTTH by March 2017 here

However if you compare the graphic in Adrian Weckler's report with the March 2016 announcement they are quite different. For example in my own county out of 11 areas announced in June 2015 only 4 made it into the March 2016 announcement of 15 exchange areas.

I believe the message


is related to the June 2015 announcement. All the areas announced in my county in 2015 have the message but as I have already stated a lot of these areas have been overlooked with regard to the first 100000 so I believe you cannot expect them to be included in the next 100000.

The two exchanges I am talking about are not part of Wreckler's report but do have blue lines coming out of them and are part of the 300,000. They are both listed on the http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/wicklow/ as getting FTTH (in the list format of fibre by country) but on the map they vary as I have shown in my previous post. Neither are part of the first 100,000 but are part of the next 200,000. The odd thing is one mentions the 2017-2020 along with FTTC info while the other only has FTTC info even though both are listed for FTTH 2017-2020.


EDIT: Am I right in assuming that everyone on a blue line is to get FTTH by 2020 from eir?

MajesticDonkey

daraghwal wrote: »

EDIT: Am I right in assuming that everyone on a blue line is to get FTTH by 2020 from eir?

That is what open eir is saying, yes.

Ron603

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/broadband-now/tv-producer-drives-to-nearby-cattle-shed-to-get-a-wifi-connection-34756394.html

tsue921i8wljb3

The map has been updated today. There may be a sign of some project slippage. My exchange had been listed as:

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016.

It is now listed as:

Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016/17

I suspect all former Winter 2016 exchanges have been given the extended deadline.

http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/

daraghwal

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The map has been updated today. There may be a sign of some project slippage. My exchange had been listed as:



It is now listed as:



I suspect all former Winter 2016 exchanges have been given the extended deadline.

http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/

Not all of them. Looking at the exchanges in Wexford that are part of the first 100,000 homes it has been updated to 4 small exchanges to get FTTH by Autumn/Winter 2016, 10 by Winter 16/17 and one of the rural exchanges that was added last year has been put back to 2017-2020

plodder

Depends how you look at it. Mine was FTTH and fibre services Winter 2016. The dot was blue (planned) but is since today green (build commenced) and

Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is mid/late 2016. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016/17

Winter 2016 was always ambiguous. Did it mean Jan/Feb or Nov/Dec of 2016? I always suspected it meant Winter 2016/17.

Though I do see other places where the FTTH date seems to have slipped to 2017-2020

rob808

plodder wrote: »

Depends how you look at it. Mine was FTTH and fibre services Winter 2016. The dot was blue (planned) but is since today green (build commenced) and

Winter 2016 was always ambiguous. Did it mean Jan/Feb or Nov/Dec of 2016? I always suspected it meant Winter 2016/17.

It could be Nov/Dec or Jan/mar I'm down for winter 2016/17.

Dr. Nick

Tara is now 'commenced' Yay.

TARA

Estimated date for first Live Fibre Services is Autumn 2016. Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Autumn/ Winter 2016

pegasus1

Well our exchange has moved from the FTTH '16-'20 to now having also first live fibre mid to late '16...:D

pegasus1

http://fibrerollout.ie/open-eirs-fibre-rollout-co-kerry/

lawlerp

lawlerp wrote: »

I'm just after checking the status of our exchange on the efibre roll out map. The map shows two messages when I hover the mouse over the exchange -
"Fibre Broadband Cabinet is planned for this location" and "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is Winter 2016" I As the blue line passes my house, My reading is that this means that I'll be able to get 1gb fibre when the work is completed?. Is that right? I live about 4kms from the exchange. Cheers

The updated fibre rollout map is now saying winter 2016/17 and the exchange status is now "Commenced". I wonder how many exchanges have had their date changed from winter 2016 to winter 2016/2017 have had their status changed from planned to commenced?

TireeTerror

lawlerp wrote: »

The updated fibre rollout map is now saying winter 2016/17 and the exchange status is now "Commenced". I wonder how many exchanges have had their date changed from winter 2016 to winter 2016/2017 have had their status changed from planned to commenced?

The exchange at my house which had a date to be enabled last week, which I have been told by both Eir and Vodafone is enabled, has now turned back to "build commenced" which it was months ago. I have KN calling here tomorrow to install a new phone line, so will know for sure if the cabinet was upgraded or not, or if the map is just a waste of time.

daraghwal

TireeTerror wrote: »

The exchange at my house which had a date to be enabled last week, which I have been told by both Eir and Vodafone is enabled, has now turned back to "build commenced" which it was months ago. I have KN calling here tomorrow to install a new phone line, so will know for sure if the cabinet was upgraded or not, or if the map is just a waste of time.

The open eir map is definitely not a waste of time. Usually when it gives a specific date it is fairly bang on. The useless map is the one on eir.ie

plodder

Another 500 FTTH connections last month

http://fibrerollout.ie/2016-05-13000-fibre-premises-added/

tbayers

I'm about to move into a newly built estate in Tramore and it is 400/500 m from an existing fibre cabinet and similar distance from current house that has fibre. The first house that is built only has 4mb broadband according to eir site. Site is on blue line but right beside another estate that has fibre.

Is it just a case this needs to be enabled?? Need to ring Eircom for better answer? Sorry if post is irrelevant or in wrong section.