Eir rural FTTH thread

long_b

I can't get more than 45 Mb on wifi on my Smart Ultra 6 Android phone. It's fairly recent but just doesn't have the right wifi configuration for fast speeds.
I've an Android tablet that will do 100 Mb on 5 Ghz - a Galaxy S7 gets over 200Mb

Pangea

Problems aside Will the average joe using their android notice any difference with FFTH? I have 6mbps at the moment and WiFi works smoothly.

spix

Pangea wrote: »

Problems aside Will the average joe using their android notice any difference with FFTH? I have 6mbps at the moment and WiFi works smoothly.

Main benefit is faster downloads and multiple users can stream without buffering. General web browsing wont see any difference as speed will be bottlenecked by how fast the device can render.

Bored Accountant

flying11 wrote: »

Hi all,

I notice that the ping/response time is much worse on my Android devices compared to my laptop. Would there be any reasons why the ping would be higher for android devices? It can take 3/4 seconds just to load up the results of a google search when using my tablet

How old are the devices you are using. The issue might just be they can't handle the speed. The speed of loading the webpage might just be the fastest the tablet can do. Doesn't matter how quick the data gets there.

Pangea

Pangea wrote: »

When I ordered I was told it would be 65 a month and 75 after promo, but email said it's 67 and 77, I'm not on direct debit. Do I have a case to complain?

Just rang up the Loyality team about this
She apologised for misinformation when I placed the order, that since I wasn't on DD the €2 charge was applied, but now they will apply credit of €24 to my account to cover the charge for the next 12 months.

Pangea

Well Today was meant to be the day of reckoning for me. The KN guy arrived bright and early. However he couldn't get the job done.
The DP was Under Ground and when he tried to feed the cable from there to the pole he discovered the UG Duct wasn't big enough for one cable (its meant to cater for four for four houses) so he done a survey and said a crowd will come to make the duct bigger and it will probably be a few weeks. It was the first time he seen a duct too small so bad luck on my part.

See attached Picture of Underground for those interested.
http://imgur.com/a/1W36N

damienirel

Jeez that looks like a manhole into a sewer? do they just drop that splice box into that p1ss? Wouldn't mind but we've had pretty dry weather for that last while too. (Edit)Actually just seen the hook drilled into the sidewall must be planning to hang splicebox offa that - wow - wouldn't want to rain too much. Can they be submerged in water?

Pangea

damienirel wrote: »

Jeez that looks like a manhole into a sewer? do they just drop that splice box into that p1ss? Wouldn't mind but we've had pretty dry weather for that last while too. (Edit)Actually just seen the hook drilled into the sidewall must be planning to hang splicebox offa that - wow - wouldn't want to rain too much. Can they be submerged in water?

It's just rainwater. Not a sewer. Yes the DP/ Splice Box was hanging off that hook he took it out to test the line. I was surprised myself didn't think water and cables would be a good mix! I'm not sure can they be submerged maybe someone has an answer to that. He tried to put Fibre into my neighbours yesterday aswell but he said something about the wrong pole being on the survey.

oscarBravo

I think (don't hold me to it) those splice enclosures are rated IP67, which theoretically means they can be submerged. Not ideal, though.

iioklo

Pangea wrote: »

I was surprised myself didn't think water and cables would be a good mix! I'm not sure can they be submerged maybe someone has an answer to that.

The Cables are just passive fiber optical cables no copper and no electrics involved, the box's are waterproof to IP68 standard

http://www.3mireland.ie/3M/en_IE/company-uk/3m-products/~/3M-BPEO-Size-0-N501741A?N=5002385+8709315+3292875071&rt=rud

damienirel

I guess that means throw it right into a foot of water.

ED E

Its the reason why FTTH is very much the medium of the future. A large portion of faults in the current network come from water ingress, not a concern with glass.

oscarBravo

ED E wrote: »

Its the reason why FTTH is very much the medium of the future. A large portion of faults in the current network come from water ingress, not a concern with glass.

Well... not as big a concern, certainly. But it's not good for fibre to be exposed to water (water molecules can diffuse into the silica material and increase the attenuation of the fibre). Most outdoor-rated cables have a water barrier specifically to reduce the risk of water ingress, but a splice enclosure is a particularly high-risk area since the cores are basically exposed within it. Hence the IP68 rating.

ED E

oscarBravo wrote: »

Well... not as big a concern, certainly. But it's not good for fibre to be exposed to water (water molecules can diffuse into the silica material and increase the attenuation of the fibre). Most outdoor-rated cables have a water barrier specifically to reduce the risk of water ingress, but a splice enclosure is a particularly high-risk area since the cores are basically exposed within it. Hence the IP68 rating.

Always a treasure trove of info OB

The impact is certainly less serious then. Have to wonder how much more rodent resistant the new ducts will be, buggers love to chew on the POTS network.

godskitchen

ED E wrote: »

Always a treasure trove of info OB

The impact is certainly less serious then. Have to wonder how much more rodent resistant the new ducts will be, buggers love to chew on the POTS network.

Depends if their diet is lacking in fibre....

Sorry

godskitchen

ED E wrote: »

Always a treasure trove of info OB

The impact is certainly less serious then. Have to wonder how much more rodent resistant the new ducts will be, buggers love to chew on the POTS network.

Depends if their diet is lacking in fibre....

Sorry

Mossy98012

Do other providers such as sky and Vodafone use the fibre lines to get to your house and then just limit it to 100mb or will they still use the old copper lines from the fibre enabled cabinet to your house. The fibre lines run past my house but if they are going to use copper lines my house is too far away from the cabinet to get a decent speed.

ED E

Mossy98012 wrote: »

Do other providers such as sky and Vodafone use the fibre lines to get to your house and then just limit it to 100mb or will they still use the old copper lines from the fibre enabled cabinet to your house. The fibre lines run past my house but if they are going to use copper lines my house is too far away from the cabinet to get a decent speed.

This thread: Fibre all the way FTTH(its in the title)

Not this thread: FTTC - Copper last mile in threads such as:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77212923

Mossy98012

My house is ftth enabled. I am wondering will sky/Vodafone use the ftth lines to deliver their 100mb fibre to my house or will they use copper lines instead

oscarBravo

Mossy98012 wrote: »

My house is ftth enabled. I am wondering will sky/Vodafone use the ftth lines to deliver their 100mb fibre to my house or will they use copper lines instead

There is no 100Mb fibre to the house. Through an intensely annoying sleight of marketing hand, several ISPs have managed to convince us that VDSL is fibre, or that LTE is fibre, or I dunno, carrier pigeons are fibre.

If your house is FTTH enabled, then only those ISPs that are selling FTTH will be able to sell you fibre services. So far, that's eir, Digiweb, Pure, and some regional operators like Westnet.

Anyone who's only selling copper services - and if it's less than 150Mb then it's copper, not fibre - can't provide you with services on open eir's FTTH network.

daraghwal

Mossy98012 wrote: »

My house is ftth enabled. I am wondering will sky/Vodafone use the ftth lines to deliver their 100mb fibre to my house or will they use copper lines instead

Sky and Vodafone do not use the FTTH network yet. This network is the only one that is not limited by distance to the exchange. Sky and Vodafone do use eirs copper efibre network, but you could be too far out to get that. If you are FTTH enabled, then you'll have to go with eir, pure telecom, digiweb or there's another few such as westnet that use FTTH in some regions.

Mossy98012

daraghwal wrote: »

Sky and Vodafone do not use the FTTH network yet. This network is the only one that is not limited by distance to the exchange. Sky and Vodafone do use eirs copper efibre network, but you could be too far out to get that. If you are FTTH enabled, then you'll have to go with eir, pure telecom, digiweb or there's another few such as westnet that use FTTH in some regions.

is there any word on when they will start to use the ftth network

ED E

Mossy98012 wrote: »

is there any word on when they will start to use the ftth network

Sky? None. If history is anything to buy another 18mo - 2yrs.

Vodafone? Unlikely they will. They're all in on the SIRO system (FTTH but from them + ESB).

chewed

Quick question for all you techies on this thread. Is it possible to get a wifi extender, plug it in beside my fibre boxes, but tap into or share with the ONT with an ethernet cable?

I have an extension of the connection going through the hallway wall into the sitting room and connected to the router. But upstairs at the far bedroom the wifi is not that great so wanted to see how best to get a good reception up there.

digiman

ED E wrote: »

Sky? None. If history is anything to buy another 18mo - 2yrs.

Vodafone? Unlikely they will. They're all in on the SIRO system (FTTH but from them + ESB).

I'd say both will be using both Eir and SIRO FTTH networks by end of this year, watch this space!!

They can't afford not to as this stage with the Eir FTTH rollout starting to pick up pace and SIRO at over 70k homes passed.

Sky especially will be losing lots of customers to people going FTTH, Vodafone probably stunting growth as they will be gaining customers on SIRO FTTH but also losing customers moving to Eir FTTH.

godskitchen

What obligations are on Eir to share their fibre to the home infrastructure? I know they had to do it and rightly so with the PSTN network but not sure they are under any obligation to do so with the fibre.

Surely they could make the case that they should be given access to sky's sat network to sell Eir TV services

Johnboy1951

godskitchen wrote: »

What obligations are on Eir to share their fibre to the home infrastructure? I know they had to do it and rightly so with the PSTN network but not sure they are under any obligation to do so with the fibre.

Surely they could make the case that they should be given access to sky's sat network to sell Eir TV services

It is open ........ hence the reason for OpenEir being separate to the consumer provider Eir.

oscarBravo

godskitchen wrote: »

What obligations are on Eir to share their fibre to the home infrastructure? I know they had to do it and rightly so with the PSTN network but not sure they are under any obligation to do so with the fibre.

They're obliged to share it, as they are considered to have significant market power (SMP: ComReg-speak for a monopoly or near-monopoly) in the provision of fixed-line services. Any authorised operator can sell retail services on open eir's network, and open eir have to make their wholesale services available on a fair, open and non-discriminatory basis.

T-Bird

digiman wrote: »

I'd say both will be using both Eir and SIRO FTTH networks by end of this year, watch this space!!

They can't afford not to as this stage with the Eir FTTH rollout starting to pick up pace and SIRO at over 70k homes passed.

Sky especially will be losing lots of customers to people going FTTH, Vodafone probably stunting growth as they will be gaining customers on SIRO FTTH but also losing customers moving to Eir FTTH.

It's strange why Sky and Vodafone didn't provide the service. My phone can pickup about 10 residential wifi signals, a majority of them were sky. Now all bar one is eir. That's potential business lost for 18 months in most cases. They got their strategy wrong in this case I think.

ED E

T-Bird wrote: »

It's strange why Sky and Vodafone didn't provide the service. My phone can pickup about 10 residential wifi signals, a majority of them were sky. Now all bar one is eir. That's potential business lost for 18 months in most cases. They got their strategy wrong in this case I think.

Sky will, they just wait. Transfers are almost free but new setups cost them >?100.

Vodafones margins are better on SIRO no doubt thus their hesitation to sell via OpenEir.