Eir rural FTTH thread

mcquaim

Gonzo wrote: »

I think the price reductions and contract times are very new, the FTTH plans by Eir are the same for rural and urban. Im almost certain the contracts were 18 months-24 months up till Saturday, now they are all 12 months.

Cheers, I was told to phone the loyalty team to correct the mistakes in my order anyway so I must mention this too..

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

I think the price reductions and contract times are very new, the FTTH plans by Eir are the same for rural and urban. Im almost certain the contracts were 18 months-24 months up till Saturday, now they are all 12 months.

Maybe urban, but I reported in Jan a 12 month contract term at €55 per month for blue line FTTH.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102260927&postcount=2945

which is the same price you have posted above.

mcquaim

Must just be a rural blue line price, no mention on website..

https://www.eir.ie/extreme/

Gonzo

mcquaim wrote: »

Must just be a rural blue line price, no mention on website..

https://www.eir.ie/extreme/

the promotional prices are in the broadband only section and the FTTH options only show up once your passing for FTTH, otherwise it just shows upto 24 and upto 100 meg options.

https://www.eir.ie/broadband-only/

RoYoBo

I assume if you want to retain your landline phone with FTTH that this will result in an extra charge? Would this complicate the FTTH installation in any way?

ED E

RoYoBo wrote: »

I assume if you want to retain your landline phone with FTTH that this will result in an extra charge? Would this complicate the FTTH installation in any way?

On a wholesale level theres a difference. Up to the operators how they pass this on if at all.

Doesnt complicate the install at all, actually makes it simpler as they dont have to provide a temporary number then change it back.

banjopeter

ED E wrote: »

On a wholesale level theres a difference. Up to the operators how they pass this on if at all.

Doesnt complicate the install at all, actually makes it simpler as they dont have to provide a temporary number then change it back.

Is there anything else that's different for a fibre install? I presume a power point is needed for some of the equipment? Also if it takes up a lot of wall space, might it be worth arranging to have it located some place where it won't be obtrusive? In the loft, perhaps...

Chieftain

Hi all, am not too up on how the whole fibre thing works but just have a question about cabinets. The exchange that i'm connected to is fibre enabled now but the max speed I can get at the moment is 7mbs. There is a small green cabinet at the end of my road - is that cabinet likely to be upgraded giving me a much better speed? I did notice that the esb pole near it has new markings on it. thanks

oscarBravo

banjopeter wrote: »

Is there anything else that's different for a fibre install? I presume a power point is needed for some of the equipment? Also if it takes up a lot of wall space, might it be worth arranging to have it located some place where it won't be obtrusive? In the loft, perhaps...

It's unlikely that it will be installed in a loft. They tend not to be pleasant places to work and often present safety issues. It's also sometimes necessary for tech support people to get the customer to check cables and reboot things, and you wouldn't believe the amount of push-back you can get from the same customer who demanded the loft installation when it's suggested that they go up there themselves to troubleshoot...

The Cush

RoYoBo wrote: »

I assume if you want to retain your landline phone with FTTH that this will result in an extra charge? Would this complicate the FTTH installation in any way?

No, it won't complicate FTTH installation, separate lines.

page 3 for eir fibre extreme (FTTH) standalone only and landline included pricing https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf

other fibre extreme bundles here - https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/pt4.1.10.pdf

banjopeter wrote: »

Is there anything else that's different for a fibre install? I presume a power point is needed for some of the equipment? Also if it takes up a lot of wall space, might it be worth arranging to have it located some place where it won't be obtrusive? In the loft, perhaps...

Installation Guiding Principles

Fibre to the Home (FTTH)

- The ONT (Optical Network Terminal) will be the Network demarcation point
- eircom will always be responsible for the installation of the ONT
- eircom technician will install the ONT as per the workmanship standard specification
- The location of the ONT may be influenced by the cable entry point and power availability. Power shall be supplied by the end-user
- A pre-terminated fibre patch cord usually of 1m length is used to connect the Optical Distribution Point (ODP) to the ONT
- FTTH data port extension may be installed beyond the ONT (eircom will, if requested at the time of Order, install a data port extension socket using a standard extension kit to a maximum of 30 meters)
- The eircom technician will test the line on completion of the installation

Source: NGA IPM

Source: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=97842227#post97842227


Source: NGA IPM v4_3 12 June 2014, page 120.

ONT (Optical Network Terminal)
ODP (Optical Distribution Point)

banjopeter

So the connection comes into the home at the ODP and then goes to the ONT to be converted from an optical to an electric signal?

oscarBravo

banjopeter wrote: »

So the connection comes into the home at the ODP and then goes to the ONT to be converted from an optical to an electric signal?

Yes. The ODP is a passive termination point for the fibre coming into the building. The ONT is a slightly up-jumped media converter, in that it has to securely talk to the GPON network.

snowstreams

Source: NGA IPM v4_3 12 June 2014, page 120.

ONT (Optical Network Terminal)
ODP (Optical Distribution Point)

So is the yellow wire an optical fibre?
My eircom connection is the other side of my fireplace to an ethernet port in the wall. 
I was wondering if it would be possible to run the yellow wire over to the other side of the fireplace and then set up the ONT beside the ethernet port.

oscarBravo

snowstreams wrote: »

So is the yellow wire an optical fibre?

Yup. By the looks of it, it's single-mode with APC LC connectors.

My eircom connection is the other side of my fireplace to an ethernet port in the wall. 
I was wondering if it would be possible to run the yellow wire over to the other side of the fireplace and then set up the ONT beside the ethernet port.

It's possible, but if it's not SOP, the installers might not do it.

It's theoretically possible to get a long-enough fibre patch cord (has to be the same fibre type, has to be the same connectors) and move it yourself, but at your own risk. You could start by getting the long cord and swapping it in without moving the ONT, and if it seems to be working OK, then move it.

Also: be very careful with the minimum bend radius of a fibre cable.

snowstreams

Thanks Oscar. Its giving me some food for thought. I may even get my electrician back to move the eircom box on the outside. I know he ran old fashioned copper to the other ethernet port, but obviously thats no good in this case. At the time (4 years ago) i thought fibre was 20 years in the future!
My road is down for spring summer 2017 so I probably have a 6 months wait to go.

The Cush

Eircode ordering issues being addressed in latest revision to the NGA IPM

http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4308





Unified Gateway customer order, incorrect eircode

Finne1993

Apologies for the delay in posting my speedtests which I promised, I had my ftth installed on the 14th February, all done in underground ducting and the Fibre cable is run right into my attic, me and my patient Polish installer ran all the cabling, approx 200 metres of it from the splice box through 3 manholes and the Eircom access box on my gable wall and through the cavity and into my attic space where it's neatly tucked away, I have 2 access points running off the main eir router in the attic to different areas of the house, I'm very pleased with the whole set up.

Why KN are sending one installer to set up the final run into the houses is puzzling, it's taking them so long, every install is different, some underground, some overground, wrong dps being assigned to houses, there's been a serious amount of time lost.
Of all the installs I've seen around here they're lucky if they get 2 done a day whereas if they were working in 2 man teams they could easily get 4/5 wiped out in a day imo.


If you look at the dates you'll see what I was getting on my net1 connection the day before the install and you'll see on the last attachment the typical speed I was getting at around 9 every night.
The varying speeds are from when I was trying out the 2.4g wireless versus the 5g connection.

I had upgraded to a new iPhone the previous week but held off setting it up until I got the Fibre in as I had around 50gb to transfer over from iCloud, it done it in less than half an hour!! Happy days!

Doctor Shivering

Finne1993 wrote: »

Apologies for the delay in posting my speedtests which I promised, I had my ftth installed on the 14th February, all done in underground ducting and the Fibre cable is run right into my attic, me and my patient Polish installer ran all the cabling, approx 200 metres of it from the splice box through 3 manholes and the Eircom access box on my gable wall and through the cavity and into my attic space where it's neatly tucked away, I have 2 access points running off the main eir router in the attic to different areas of the house, I'm very pleased with the whole set up.

Why KN are sending one installer to set up the final run into the houses is puzzling, it's taking them so long, every install is different, some underground, some overground, wrong dps being assigned to houses, there's been a serious amount of time lost.
Of all the installs I've seen around here they're lucky if they get 2 done a day whereas if they were working in 2 man teams they could easily get 4/5 wiped out in a day imo.


If you look at the dates you'll see what I was getting on my net1 connection the day before the install and you'll see on the last attachment the typical speed I was getting at around 9 every night.
The varying speeds are from when I was trying out the 2.4g wireless versus the 5g connection.

I had upgraded to a new iPhone the previous week but held off setting it up until I got the Fibre in as I had around 50gb to transfer over from iCloud, it done it in less than half an hour!! Happy days!

Great stuff!
Can you do a wired test? Presumably you are on the 150 package
I'd be interested to know if there's any loss at all on fibre directly connected to the modem
My guess is that's exactly 150

ED E

Doctor Shivering wrote: »

Great stuff!
Can you do a wired test? Presumably you are on the 150 package
I'd be interested to know if there's any loss at all on fibre directly connected to the modem
My guess is that's exactly 150

There's ATM overhead so 146 is about bang on.

Gonzo

Doctor Shivering wrote: »

Great stuff!
Can you do a wired test? Presumably you are on the 150 package
I'd be interested to know if there's any loss at all on fibre directly connected to the modem
My guess is that's exactly 150

most providers in the UK and some in Ireland like Virgin and Siro give a sync rate over the amount of what the spec is so that when ATM overheads are taken into account you still get the exact speed, but Eir don't do this and never have done in the past.

150 would be about 144
300 would be about 280
1000 would be up to 940

Gonzo

Today is the day my area of Dunshaughlin goes live for FTTH

also live should be:

Cappawhite
Croom
Castleconnell
Horseleap
Portarlington
Robertstown
Inch
Killmuckridge
Broadway

Still waiting for a confirmation of my install date that I picked which is this Friday morning.

knipex

Gonzo wrote: »

Today is the day my area of Dunshaughlin goes live for FTTH

also live should be:

Cappawhite
Croom
Castleconnell
Horseleap
Portarlington
Robertstown
Inch
Killmuckridge
Broadway

Still waiting for a confirmation of my install date that I picked which is this Friday morning.

Croom still has no signs of fiber on the roads \ areas I have checked..

damienirel

knipex wrote: »

Croom still has no signs of fiber on the roads \ areas I have checked..

I can only see the dates that Eir published been wildly missed, judging by the lack of activity in the Limerick area. I wonder if Castleconnell is live?
@Gonzo iirc wasn't Dunshaughlin already pushed back so I would expect they'd get it this time.

Gonzo

damienirel wrote: »

I can only see the dates that Eir published been wildly missed, judging by the lack of activity in the Limerick area. I wonder if Castleconnell is live?
@Gonzo iirc wasn't Dunshaughlin already pushed back so I would expect they'd get it this time.

Dunshaughlin was pushed back 3 or 4 times. The area is definitely live today as most of us are able to order and I haven't seen any work in over a month as it seems to be finished everywhere. Having said that the road behind me still has 1 missing splice box.

On a seperate note I'm starting to see more frequency in the complaints on the eir forum about the fair usage policy and they are all customers who are new to FTTH, some getting charged over 70 euros extra so Eir may have to look at raising that FUP if it's gonna become more of an issue with FTTH.

damienirel

3 or 4 times that is brutal - BOL with it this time! - I'm down for winter 2018 - long wait and judging by all the exchanges that seem to be winter 2018 - I'm wouldn't be overly optimistic.

BandMember

Gonzo wrote: »

On a seperate note I'm starting to see more frequency in the complaints on the eir forum about the fair usage policy and they are all customers who are new to FTTH, some getting charged over 70 euros extra so Eir may have to look at raising that FUP if it's gonna become more of an issue with FTTH.

Is the FUP not 1TB for FTTH? WTF are people at when they are breaking that??? :eek:

I have to laugh though, most of these people would have previously been on mobile/satellitte broadband packages with very slow speeds and very low data limits - it hasn't taken them long to adjust to the brand new world of having proper internet! :pac::pac::pac:

pegasus1

Gonzo wrote: »

still has 1 missing splice box.

I would check the local car boot sale...:rolleyes:

pegasus1

BandMember wrote: »

Is the FUP not 1TB for FTTH? WTF are people at when they are breaking that??? :eek:

I have to laugh though, most of these people would have previously been on mobile/satellitte broadband packages with very slow speeds and very low data limits - it hasn't taken them long to adjust to the brand new world of having proper internet! :pac::pac::pac:

If one has a family, all with ipad's, a skybox with on demand with either skyq or multiroom, an apple tv, Laptops,1 Tb would not last long...oh yeah xbox etc...

damienirel

Steam, spotify, netflix, kodi plugins, youtube, youporn, torrents...... the list goes on and on 1tb is nathin nowadays lol.

ALimerickFella

i got pushed back to 2018 last month sadly.

now for the last two days eir vans are outside on road doing some sort of planning,

they have hammered a red letter D 2"x2" on a white background and underneath it a bar code 2"x1" onto a pole.


anyone have any idea what this represents..
not sure how to post pictures, (perhaps it's this new account i had to create as boards google account integration appears not to work correctly)