Alien: Covenant *Spoilers from post 747*

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Coming March 2016.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/ridley-scotts-2016-mystery-project-is-revealed-as-prometheus-2-20140324

Anybody care about this?


I didn't hate Prometheus like a lot of people did but I'm not sure where they'd go with a sequel. The only thing I'd be interested in seeing in a sequel would be Theron and Fassbender lurking in dark corridors and being very intense with each other, but that ain't happening, for obvious reasons.

Corholio

I'd be up for it if Lindelof is locked in a led lined prison and kept as far away as possible from even picking up a pen to rewrite anything.

Liam McPoyle

I enjoyed Prometheus.

I think the problem was that alot of people were expecting an "Alien" movie and were left wanting.

Its not a classic by any means but it was an interesting arc in the Alien universe that has potential for growth.

Mitch Connor

Coleman Slawski wrote: »

I enjoyed Prometheus.

I think the problem was that alot of people were expecting an "Alien" movie and were left wanting.

Its not a classic by any means but it was an interesting arc in the Alien universe that has potential for growth.

Nope - my problem was the poor scripting and dialog, which my mate continues to demand I ignore simply because it is a scifi-horror movie and thus should not be viewed critically.

Goldstein

Coleman Slawski wrote: »

I enjoyed Prometheus.

I think the problem was that alot of people were expecting an "Alien" movie and were left wanting.

Its not a classic by any means but it was an interesting arc in the Alien universe that has potential for growth.

The other problem was it was written and rewritten by clowns and as a result nothing in the movie made any sense.

Banjaxed82

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Nope - my problem was the poor scripting and dialog, which my mate continues to demand I ignore simply because it is a scifi-horror movie and thus should not be viewed critically.

Goldstein wrote: »

The other problem was it was written and rewritten by clowns and as a result nothing in the movie made any sense.

+1

Nothing to do with people's expectations. It was a watchable film, but the script let it down badly.

p to the e

I really enjoyed Prometheus and would welcome a sequel. Visually stunning and many intriguing plots/subplots. There hasn't been too many films in the last number of years that created the level of discussion that Prometheus did.

Oafley Jones

p to the e wrote: »

I really enjoyed Prometheus and would welcome a sequel. Visually stunning and many intriguing plots/subplots. There hasn't been too many films in the last number of years that created the level of discussion that Prometheus did.

It's a gorgeous movie, but it's an incoherent mess. Most of the discussion was as dumb as the movie. People trying to assign meaning to a rabbling, nonsensical, aggressively stupid script.

krudler

Beautiful looking film but dumb as a bag of hammers, if you took the aspect of being set in the Alien universe away from it it'd get rightly slated for being another dumb sci-fi movie. Barely anything in the film makes sense.

Duggy747

Coleman Slawski wrote: »

I enjoyed Prometheus.

I think the problem was that alot of people were expecting an "Alien" movie and were left wanting.

Not for me, anyways.

I was excited to see Scott return to sci-fi and presumed we'd get a competent, adult sci-fi film (Even if he hasn't been on particularly great form for years). The little sprinkles or nods to Alien would be a bonus but wouldn't make or break the film on it's own merits.

The problem was that, while visual production was top class, the script and characters were rubbish and pulled what should have been a competent movie down.

The characters were quite thick, the editing left a lot of their actions confusing and non-nonsensical.

An example of harsh editing was the scientist who was so eager to touch the snake from the black goo (he was supposed to have come across their baby form earlier which explains his eagerness) or the Fifield attack which was planned to happen near the end of the movie as they made their way to the ship with Weyland.

What ended up happening in the final movie was that one of Weyland's goons died with an axe in the back, appeared in the next scene standing outside Weyland's room (Where Theron speaks to her Weyland), went to go to the sleeping engineer with them and was then never seen again :pac:

The film was full of little annoyances for me, like the pilots who were way too happy and chirpy for their sacrifice which turned it into a strange scene.

Annoying film considering it had most of the right ingredients and looked fantastic but just had a stupid, stupid script.

Tony EH

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Prometheus 2 - Electric Boogaloo (may not be actual title)

No, but damn well should be.

Soft Falling Rain

I'd be interested in the sequel but Scott really needs to step it up. The one thing that really irritated me about Prometheus was that while it was full of big ideas, the film was quite hollow, barely exploring any of the themes or plots it presented.

syklops

I was promised the story behind the giant alien in the turret. Still waiting for it.

If they are going to do another, fine but can they try and have it make some sense this time?

An archaeologist has a theory about the origin of Man, gets to go on a space ship to test his theory and instead of going "Wohoo, my theory was right", he goes "Bohoo, they are all dead, Im getting drunk". Dude, your an archaeologist, you should be used to the subjects of your theories being dead.

Oafley Jones

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

I'd be interested in the sequel but Scott really needs to step it up. The one thing that really irritated me about Prometheus was that while it was full of big ideas, the film was quite hollow, barely exploring any of the themes or plots it presented.

Spoiler alert.

Big ideas without any follow up ain't worth a tap. Anyone can spout off some quasi philosophical crap that sounds somewhat intriguing (see your local stoner). I pity the poor ****er that has to write this though. Because at the moment their jumping off point is a road(space?) movie about the further adventures of some wan and a head.

Adamantium

Leaving the film with two other friends we were estatic and I remember thinking finally they made a film that stands with ALIEN and ALIENS after 26 years. (The same thing I wished with Terminator Salvation)

The terror and the dread was there in a truly visceral way and unlike much sci fi, it really did feel like a alien world, that there was nobody out there

I then suddenly realised a few things in the next few days

BUT:

I then realised some really irksome, it wasn't on LV 426, like I just assumed it was.

Could we have a recent sci fi movie where the scientists act like world class experts and don't look like they're hyperventilate over what color of post it notepad paper that they buy. I don't want emotionless drones, either but I do cringe at times.

I thought Sunshine was one of the best recent examples of how to depict a world class expecting perfect results crew under stress.

Sandra Bullock In Gravity.

Really? your daughter dies last year and we've entrusted this emotionally fragile woman who NASA entrusts billions of dollars of the complex machines ever built in history in a endless, airless, black vacuum. Clooney somehow doesn't know where she lives and they're having chit chats. Have you ever heard astronaut talking while on a job it's one of the most functional, basic, no BS converstions humans have ever engaged in.

I understand they have to make her somehat relatable in order for to it sell the movie to audiences.

But here's a depressing thought; does this mean I guess most people don't want to and can't relate to competency, being great at your job.

But Clooney is fixing the Hubble telecope, like his car broke down on the side of the road and he's giving chat to the AA callout man.

I was validated with this video after I bought the Blu Ray (which I did love)

Absolutely hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUjGIVNIBdw

Still, I'm glad we're getting films of this genre at all to be honest.
I want to see sci films that inspire people to be scientists and engineers, doctors and have portrayed as they are for real. They did this during the 60's, 70's, 80's and the 90's. The sheer spectacle and danger of space exploration should be endless USP enough without contrived characters.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Apparently there's going to be multiple David's in the sequel.

speedboatchase

Adamantium wrote: »

Leaving the film with two other friends we were estatic and I remember thinking finally they made a film that stands with ALIEN and ALIENS after 26 years. (The same thing I wished with Terminator Salvation)

The terror and the dread was there in a truly visceral way and unlike much sci fi, it really did feel like a alien world, that there was nobody out there

I then suddenly realised a few things in the next few days

BUT:

I then realised some really irksome, it wasn't on LV 426, like I just assumed it was.

Could we have a recent sci fi movie where the scientists act like world class experts and don't look like they're hyperventilate over what color of post it notepad paper that they buy. I don't want emotionless drones, either but I do cringe at times.

I thought Sunshine was one of the best recent examples of how to depict a crew under stress.

Sandra Bullock In Gravity.

Really? your daughter dies last year and we've entrusted this emotionally fragile woman who NASA entrusts billions of dollars of the complex machines ever built in history in a endless, airless, black vacuum. Clooney somehow doesn't know where she lives and they're having chit chats. Have you ever heard astronaut talking while on a job it's one of the most functional, basic, no BS converstions humans have ever engaged in.

But Clooney is fixing the Hubble telecope, like his car broke down on the side of the road and he's giving chat to the AA callout man.

I was validated with this video after I bought the Blu Ray:

Absolutely hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUjGIVNIBdw

I see Louis's point but there's no harm in having relatable characters: it's an entertainment product. And what was the last big-budget movie set in space? Sunshine? It doesn't happen too often, so I don't see the rush to nitpick.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Michael Green (Green Lantern) who is also working with Scott on the Blade Runner sequel is re writing the script from an original draft by Jack Paglen (Transcendence).

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=40553

Bipolar Joe

I imagine Prometheus was supposed to be set on the original planet, but after writing the script it was changed, and when they did that, had to change other elements, which snowballed and now we have that movie. What did it for me was

the dude who has a face hugger eat through his helmet. A dead guy appears in Alien in a spot the exact same

.

It was OK up to a point, where it became an incoherent mess, with subplots getting dropped, things happening and then someone just forgot about it, things happening for no reason, professionals behaving like high school students, so on. Many of these things could have been fixed with a couple of lines or a small scene.

Did I walk in wanting an Alien movie? Yeah. Was a I disappointed I didn't get an Alien movie? No. I was disappointed because it's just a bad film.

Zubeneschamali

I don't care - I skipped the first one based on early chatter, and I don't think I missed much.

bullvine

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

I imagine Prometheus was supposed to be set on the original planet, but after writing the script it was changed, and when they did that, had to change other elements, which snowballed and now we have that movie. What did it for me was

the dude who has a face hugger eat through his helmet. A dead guy appears in Alien in a spot the exact same

.

It was OK up to a point, where it became an incoherent mess, with subplots getting dropped, things happening and then someone just forgot about it, things happening for no reason, professionals behaving like high school students, so on. Many of these things could have been fixed with a couple of lines or a small scene.

Did I walk in wanting an Alien movie? Yeah. Was a I disappointed I didn't get an Alien movie? No. I was disappointed because it's just a bad film.

Not doubting you but where exactly does that spoiler happen?

krudler

syklops wrote: »

I was promised the story behind the giant alien in the turret. Still waiting for it.

If they are going to do another, fine but can they try and have it make some sense this time?

An archaeologist has a theory about the origin of Man, gets to go on a space ship to test his theory and instead of going "Wohoo, my theory was right", he goes "Bohoo, they are all dead, Im getting drunk". Dude, your an archaeologist, you should be used to the subjects of your theories being dead.

That annoyed the crap out of me, basically the biggest scientific discovery in history and he's bummed out? gwayyyy

brilou23

was really looking forward to the first one but it was as boring as hell

bullvine

As a failure its got to be up there with Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes

krudler

bullvine wrote: »

As a failure its got to be up there with Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes

Ah now, that's a bit harsh :pac:

bullvine

krudler wrote: »

Ah now, that's a bit harsh :pac:

Yeah a bit harsh on Apes!:D

The Domonator

For anyone who hasn't seen the first film, here is a review of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc

TheDoc

I'd somewhat agree with the sentiments here that it was a bit of a mess but alot can be saved from it.

I appreciate it's not and was not meant to be an Alien film, but it was meant to be an origins story, and I don't see how or why that can't still happen.

From what was, as others have pointed out, a bit of a mess, there is still some strong points that could be moved on.

The Alien obviously evolved and manipulated from what was a WMD/bioweapons testing facility.

The planet the first film was based on, is not the planet Alien or Aliens was based on

There was an indication there was a number of these testing facilities dotted around the Galaxy


I think that's enough to move forward with to be fair. We don't need little winks and nods to the originals, we just need some good scripting and stories that plots the course to explore how the Alien went from a biochemical weapon, to transform into an actual organic being, to then into the killing machine we all know and love.

Mickeroo

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd somewhat agree with the sentiments here that it was a bit of a mess but alot can be saved from it.

I appreciate it's not and was not meant to be an Alien film, but it was meant to be an origins story, and I don't see how or why that can't still happen.

From what was, as others have pointed out, a bit of a mess, there is still some strong points that could be moved on.

The Alien obviously evolved and manipulated from what was a WMD/bioweapons testing facility.

The planet the first film was based on, is not the planet Alien or Aliens was based on

There was an indication there was a number of these testing facilities dotted around the Galaxy


I think that's enough to move forward with to be fair. We don't need little winks and nods to the originals, we just need some good scripting and stories that plots the course to explore how the Alien went from a biochemical weapon, to transform into an actual organic being, to then into the killing machine we all know and love.

What grated for me was that Prometheus was quite obviously written to be set on LV-426 and they decided to change the name of the planet in order to pave the way for sequels. Having those canisters instead of eggs was completely daft too, the way they convoluted the Alien's evolution/life cycle makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Bipolar Joe

bullvine wrote: »

Not doubting you but where exactly does that spoiler happen?

In Alien, one of the first things they find on the planet is a dead guy in a space suit. The glass panel on the helmet has been smashed right through. In Prometheus, one of the first guys to die (I think the very first, possibly), has a face hugger smash through his helmet. Can't remember the timecode, I'd have to watch it again.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I don't care - I skipped the first one based on early chatter, and I don't think I missed much.

You missed two apparently intelligent people try to escape a falling/rolling object by running in the same direction it was falling/rolling in.

Zubeneschamali

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

You missed two apparently intelligent people try to escape a falling/rolling object by running in the same direction it was falling/rolling in.

That was in a trailer I did see.

Bacchus

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

In Alien, one of the first things they find on the planet is a dead guy in a space suit. The glass panel on the helmet has been smashed right through. In Prometheus, one of the first guys to die (I think the very first, possibly), has a face hugger smash through his helmet. Can't remember the timecode, I'd have to watch it again.

Is there a need for spoilers about Prometheus and Alien? Thought it'd be a given. It'd be like putting up spoilers for Avengers in the Avengers 2 thread.

I don't think there was any facehugger (in the traditional sense) in Prometheus, just that giant octopus facehugger and it doesn't smash through the space jockeys helmet.

The only helmet breakage was the acid through the rock guy's one.

Skittlemon

I enjoyed Prometheus, I think I forced myself to due to the absolute mind boggling stories it could spawn and tap into. My analogy for the delivery of the final cut is this though: imagine coming across a bottle of your favourite discontinued soda pop, it hasn't been around for years and you find this lone bottle still in date. You can see it inside, all tasty and nostalgic. Then as you open it, it fizzes up and sprays all over you, you have your favourite soda pop, you got a small sweet taste but you're pee'ed off cos it's such a mess and you didn't get a satisfying gulp.
I really hope they don't fizz up the sequel as much as the first one.

krudler

Mickeroo wrote: »

What grated for me was that Prometheus was quite obviously written to be set on LV-426 and they decided to change the name of the planet in order to pave the way for sequels. Having those canisters instead of eggs was completely daft too, the way they convoluted the Alien's evolution/life cycle makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Exactly, it goes from all purpose goo which either destroys, infects, or turns people into monsters depending on what the scene requires, to a parasite, to a giant creature which infects another creature, to sub- xenomorph looking thing. If they work the aliens we know into it somehow as weapons then that's one thing but if they continue with the thing at the end being the predecessor to the ones from the original films then balls to that, doesnt make a lick of sense.

bullvine

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

In Alien, one of the first things they find on the planet is a dead guy in a space suit. The glass panel on the helmet has been smashed right through. In Prometheus, one of the first guys to die (I think the very first, possibly), has a face hugger smash through his helmet. Can't remember the timecode, I'd have to watch it again.

Cheers

Mickeroo

There weren't any facehuggers in Prometheus, good chance it was a facehuggers in the original draft though.

Tony EH

'Prometheus' was a dreadful picture, full of silly characters and truly stupid situations.

I simply don't consider it as part of the Aliens franchise, which has to be one of the most abused franchises in the history of cinema.

There hasn't been anything decent since 1992's 'Alien 3' and even that was a relatively poor sequel. But 'Alien Resurrection' really should have killed the whole thing dead. That film is even worse than 'Prometheus'.

In fact it simply have been a stand alone series and may have stood a better chance, if the "Aliens" we know hadn't been shorehorned into it. But, then again, maybe it's because it's "part" of the Aliens universe that it's given a pass by a lot of people.

It really is a thick film though. Every time I think of Naomi Rapeface running around after her "Alien abortion" like nothing happened at all, I have to laugh. Also the inability of the two women to turn left or right when running away from a rolling spaceship is a perfect example of why this film is mind numbing.

krudler

Tony EH wrote: »

It really is a thick film though. Every time I think of Naomi Rapeface running around after her "Alien abortion" like nothing happened at all, I have to laugh. Also the inability of the two women to turn left or right when running away from a rolling spaceship is a perfect example of why this film is mind numbing.

If you look at the wide shot there is debris falling off the ship to the sides as well afaik but still, better chance dodging that than the humongous most definitely going to squash you thing rolling behind you.

I hated that I knew that's how it'd climax too, the trailer gave away both that shot and the ship crashing, well thanks for that.

Tony EH

Yeh, I've tried to make excuses for that scene, but it always comes down to the same problem of bad writing.

It would have worked much better if the girls had actually turned out of the way of the rolling spaceship and Naomi made it, but Charlize fell and got squashed.

Same result, less stupid.

Sad Professor

People faced with life and death situations don't always behave rationally. Jumping out of burning skyscrapers, etc. Instinctively I think most people's reaction would be to run away from the crashing object, even if they had no chance of outrunning it.

Either way, I don't see how it's a problem with the writing. The writer isn't responsible for blocking and storyboarding action sequences. Most of the plot related problems in the film were caused by Scott's overzealous editing.

Rubber_Soul

In addition to the awful script and dire editing, another thing that absolutely ruined the first one was the bloody trailer. Who ever decided to show the Prometheus ramming the alien ship in the trailer thus removing all tension from the third act needs shooting.

Zubeneschamali

StarshipPooper wrote: »

In addition to the awful script and dire editing, another thing that absolutely ruined the first one was the bloody trailer.

No, for once I think they did everyone a favour by warning them that this movie was really stupid.

Skerries

I'm waiting for the Alien vs Predator vs Space Jockey film

norrie rugger

Coleman Slawski wrote: »

I enjoyed Prometheus.

I think the problem was that alot of people were expecting an "Alien" movie and were left wanting.

Its not a classic by any means but it was an interesting arc in the Alien universe that has potential for growth.

Nope, super Christian scientist taking things on faith over fact
Geologist with super fancy map drones getting lost
XeoBiologist running away, like a wimp, from an alien corpse but wanting to pet the most freaky alien snake thing ever

Should I continue? (that would actually be hard as I have tried to forget that film

krudler

norrie rugger wrote: »

Nope, super Christian scientist taking things on faith over fact
Geologist with super fancy map drones getting lost
XeoBiologist running away, like a wimp, from an alien corpse but wanting to pet the most freaky alien snake thing ever

Should I continue? (that would actually be hard as I have tried to forget that film

Scientist spends career looking for aliens, finds them, makes biggest discovery in the history of mankind, gets drunk and thinks trip was a waste because he didnt meet an alive alien.

Old man hiding on ship all the time, financed trip, hid on ship and faked death because of...reasons.

Aliens are pissed off at humans because of..reasons.

Black goo which turns aliens into opening credit graphics, humans into zombies and/or diseased people and makes woman who can have no babies give birth to squid..thing, which in turn face sexes alien which then gives birth to the alien we know..kinda.

KilOit

Trillion dollar mission with a crew that don't know each other and are hostile and don't work well together.
In Alien and Aliens you mostly had a group of people who communicated, trusted and respected each other.

The idiot crew in this movie completely ruined it for me! only redeeming character was David and now he's only a head! Bishop's head sucked in ALIEN 3!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

KilOit wrote: »

The idiot crew in this movie completely ruined it for me! only redeeming character was David and now he's only a head! Bishop's head sucked in ALIEN 3!

He's a robot, they can get him a new body. There's talk of multiple Davids in the sequel anyway, one of them's bound to have a body.

Cork boy 55

I only watched Prometheus once and was a bit distracted so will have to watch again some day .

Is there a better version or a directors cut or extended version udder than original?

One of the main problems is the HYPE, it had massive hype beforehand remember it...
so when it turned out not the best or a dud the disappointment was double

Alien and aliens are brilliant but when you watch those movies the characters also make stupid decisions

Prometheus 2 -- we will see I won't be loosing sleep

Zubeneschamali

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Alien and aliens are brilliant but when you watch those movies the characters also make stupid decisions

Yes and no.

The crew in Alien make some of the most famous stupid decisions ever - Split up and look for the cat!

But they are just space truckers, not military and not scientists. The one scientist on board is actively helping the alien, and Ripley and Dallas do their best.

In Aliens, Gorman is useless and Burke is a sleazeball traitor, but the others do their best, too.

There is nothing in either like the entire crew being hand-picked scientists who promptly lose their minds when the titles roll.

Duggy747

It still had one of my favourite trailers:

This IMAX one had some snazzy editing:

Like Krudler said, including the Prometheus crashing into the ship into the marketing was a stupid decision for such a pivotal moment. You knew full well what was going to happen before the pilots themselves knew.

Which was funny considering how much people loved how little the initial teasers and trailers showed with them dissecting the shìt out of them and coming up with all sorts of theories :pac: