Dublin is an unadulterated kip

Mesrine65

Reiver wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thirty-garda-units-called-in-after-shotgun-fired-at-crowd-in-west-dublin-31551419.html

Slash hooks and shotguns.

Sat watching it from my window, drinking coffee & smoking as all hell broke loose :cool:

Wonderful entertainment on a Sunday morning & just as the sun was coming up, it was like Gunfight at the OK Corral :pac:

Tarzana2

WesternZulu wrote: »

Galway has nothing like the problems that Dublin has, you don't walk around Galway and see the sort of degradation that you see in a lot of Dublin city center.

WesternZulu wrote: »

I never said that it wasn't; the other poster said it suffers the same problems as Dublin - it doesn't.

MAN, do people put Galway on a pedestal on this forum. The bus/ train station in Galway is dog rough. Same as Dublin but you'll only hear Dublin mentioned. And that's just one example. You really think there are no deprived areas in Galway?

EazyD

Reiver wrote: »

Dubs seem to feel that junkies in an urban setting are just as natural as sheep back whesht.

Dubs as in all 1 and a half odd million of us? No most of us would accept that there is a serious drug problem and has been since the 80's, much the same as many European cities.

Reiver

EazyD wrote: »

Dubs as in all 1 and a half odd million of us? No most of us accept that there is a serious drug problem and has been since the 80's, much the same as many European cities.

I should have said the Boards members. Personally I think the trouble began with Sithric Silkbeard.

Ignatius in bloom

Reiver wrote: »

Dubs seem to feel that junkies in an urban setting are just as natural as sheep back whesht.

Perhaps we should send all the ones from the country back that would help and make a big difference.

Reiver

Ignatius in bloom wrote: »

Perhaps we should send all the ones from the country back that would help and make a big difference.

Ah now. Don't be like the Aussies. You can't stop the boats.

StonyIron

WesternZulu wrote: »

Galway has nothing like the problems that Dublin has, you don't walk around Galway and see the sort of degradation that you see in a lot of Dublin city center.

It will have if things are allowed to be managed the way things are at present... It's just a matter of hitting critical mass for problematic messes.

EazyD wrote: »

Dubs as in all 1 and a half odd million of us? No most of us would accept that there is a serious drug problem and has been since the 80's, much the same as many European cities.

I wouldn't say *many* European cities, there are a select few with that scale of drug problems - Brussels, Glasgow and a few others immediately spring to mind.

Most European cities absolutely do not have these issues on that scale and as in-your-face as Dublin. It's genuinely quite out of hand by any standards and it isn't being policed properly due to lack of resources and lack of political interest at national level.

If you'd a strong, accountable local government with adequate powers to do stuff, it'd be dealt with by now.

If Cork City had adequate powers, buildings wouldn't have fallen down on people in the 2000s and you wouldn't be canoeing through its central shopping district on an annual basis. Cork's floods cost €100m in damage and the central government is dragging its feet on a solution to it. How many more hundreds of millions do they want to waste while fecking about ?

Dublin's junkie crisis is totally out of hand and I see nothing being done about it and it's got a serious accommodation crisis going on too and all I see is vague talking at national level and nothing serious being actioned upon.

The public transit plans for Dublin are absolutely ridiculously weak too. If it continues to grow it won't cope and will start to stifle existing economic activity due to congestion.

Those issues are going to do serious damage to the economic fabric of both of those cities.

All of these issues stem from unaccountable local administration that's absolutely powerless in most cases and pretty much just organises really irrelevant things. All the big decisions are in the Dail.

You simply cannot run cities like this. They're not working because they can't work because they don't have the tools to run themselves properly. It's really as simple as that.
It's not because Irish people are somehow magically different to the rest of the world. Give us the right tools, and we can get on with the job!

Kermit.de.frog

The junkie crisis - and it is a crisis for tourism and the city center - is so evident. Even on the way to work today walking past Connolly you see just how many there are loitering around even early in the morning.


That is a disgrace not because these people need help but because the authorities have intentionally vandalised the center of their own city by centralising all the addiction clinics within walking distance of O'Connell St. What happens is then the junkie presence lowers the tone so much that like flies on sh!t it attracts in the lowlife from the surrounding neighbourhoods and all this behaviour is concentrated in a small city center - especially the north side.

It's hugely embarrassing and there is trouble to be seen, you don't have to look that hard on Talbot St or the northern end of O'Connell St for example and many other areas.

But there are tourists there too. And the most damaging thing to any city is word of mouth. Cities get reputations and what goes around comes around.

Just run the f"cking city properly. Is it too much to ask? Clowns. They don't care and it shows.

StonyIron

"They" are the national Government, not the city itself though.

The cities have no power to do anything about junkies, policing, transportation etc in Ireland.

For some reason the Dublin junkie problem or Cork's flooding is something that TDs in rural Donegal should be voting on.

Until the services are devolved to cities to manage locally, the problems will just continue to rumble on and on and on and Ireland's obsessed with centralising things.

Somehow what was supposed to be the Dublin Transportation Office turned into the National Transport Authority (NTA) / Transport for Ireland and then got merged with the National Roads Authority to become TII (Transportation Infrastructure Ireland) - an amorphous body that has to deal with everything from city bus routes to trains, to motorways, to everything else in between. In other words it's like the Department of Transport has created another Department of Transport .. which is responsible to the Department of Transport via a semi-detached QUANGO system.

We really do need transit authorities in cities. Most European cities of even Cork's size, never mind Dublin's size would have their own local transit authority and locally branded busses, trams, trains etc.

In Ireland - you've CIE running Dublin Bus and in the other cities they don't even distinguish between Bus Eireann and the city services at all.

You can't just keep running everything through national agencies and you can't just keep merging things. It's not creating efficiencies, it's creating dysfunctional bureaucracies with no accountability and difficulty responding to needs.

The problem with all these issues is the buck stops with some amorphous mess of committees and agencies that nobody has any idea who's ultimately responsible for.

If this were a North American city, the mayor's career would hang in the balance based on how they dealt with these issues. In Ireland, you've a job-for-life bureaucracy running stuff at city level with councillors who've almost zero power.

Unless the structures are made workable - it will not improve.

You can give out about the current system all you like, but it can't improve unless it's changed. It is simply dysfunctional. You might as well be trying to send an email with a potato. No matter how hard you try, it's not going to work.

testaccount123

Eh, I live in the city and dont come across junkies day to day. Its nonsense to say that the problem is "out of hand", its mostly confined to a few streets on the northside.

Edit * I see Kermit is on with his ridiculous assertions about tourism again. Youve been shown over and over and over again that tourism in the capital is on the rise - there is no decline.

rossie1977

in terms of the city centre (o connell street, the quays on both sides and luas line down towards heuston station) dublin looks very rough compared to other major western cities..there is no denying that

belfast city centre has cleaned itself up beyond recognition over the past decade

StonyIron

It is fairly out of hand.

I spend time in several European cities and Dublin has a very visible heroin problem.

You really don't notice it as much when you get used it. It's a bit of a shocker when you aren't.

Today I walked through the D1 / D7 area. There was a guy passed out near Jervis on the ground. Two junkies approached me at a table outside a cafe looking for money. Then there was a second guy passed out on the ground near O'Connell St.

Pretending it's not a problem isn't really a solution

Other cities have problems too - doesn't mean Dublin gets a free pass though. I've witnessed a guy urinating on the wall on Paris' RER B line train all over a suitcase of some tourist arrivkng Charles de Gaulle airport.

That kind of thing is costing Paris money as its developing a bad reputation.
They will most likely do something about it though.

Very Bored

First I'm not a scaredy cat, I worked in the big schmoke for years.

I'm glad all the Dubs think ye just have to have a few big buildings to make yourself look civic.

Dublin is filthy. The streets are filthy, there is a very obvious drug problem in the city centre and as soon as you are out of the very centre of the city centre, the vast majority of it is ugly. Seriously, the Dubs have an over inflated ego of their city.

I'll tell you a big difference between Galway and Dublin, at least Galway's clean and not full of freaking addicts.

That tourists go to Dublin is hardly surprising given its the main, for many only, way of getting into the country.

I'm not even going to get into a debate with those Dubs who think Dublin is beautiful. Do yourselves a favour and visit Rome, London, Paris, Prague, Vienna, Budapest etc. then come back and tell me how beautiful the capital city of Ireland is.

ToddyDoody

I might throw in that I was at the Luas stop in Abbey Street (at rush hour) recently, had earphones in but was still treated to some decent human being on the phone going on about how he could get someone shot for 10 grand.

Billy86

realdanbreen wrote: »

That's it then! A few more bins and Dublin is ready to be included in the 'lonely planet of the Apes guide' or whatever it's called.

Another thing Ireland needs to improve on would be reading comprehension.

oppenheimer1

Very Bored wrote: »

First I'm not a scaredy cat, I worked in the big schmoke for years.

I'm glad all the Dubs think ye just have to have a few big buildings to make yourself look civic.

Dublin is filthy. The streets are filthy, there is a very obvious drug problem in the city centre and as soon as you are out of the very centre of the city centre, the vast majority of it is ugly. Seriously, the Dubs have an over inflated ego of their city.

I'll tell you a big difference between Galway and Dublin, at least Galway's clean and not full of freaking addicts.

That tourists go to Dublin is hardly surprising given its the main, for many only, way of getting into the country.

I'm not even going to get into a debate with those Dubs who think Dublin is beautiful. Do yourselves a favour and visit Rome, London, Paris, Prague, Vienna, Budapest etc. then come back and tell me how beautiful the capital city of Ireland is.

It's unfair to compare Dublin to those cities. All of them were the capitals of empires. Dublin was at its best a second city in the 1700's.

Billy86

Tarzana2 wrote: »

MAN, do people put Galway on a pedestal on this forum. The bus/ train station in Galway is dog rough. Same as Dublin but you'll only hear Dublin mentioned. And that's just one example. You really think there are no deprived areas in Galway?

Probably has something to do with a hell of a lot of people from outside Dublin living there or spending significant time in the place, than they do in Galway. Now I wonder why that is...

Baggy Trousers

You always feel in Dublin that you are just one side street away from scumbags and trouble. They are especially brazen here because our Gardai are blind and soft. I would always advise tourists to visit the counties on wild Atlantic way than Dublin.

Very Bored

When was Prague the capital of an empire?

Tarzana2

Very Bored wrote: »

I'm not even going to get into a debate with those Dubs who think Dublin is beautiful. Do yourselves a favour and visit Rome, London, Paris, Prague, Vienna, Budapest etc. then come back and tell me how beautiful the capital city of Ireland is.

What makes you think people haven't visited any of these places? Love your assertion that people only visit Dublin to get to other places in the country.

You never did explain the junkie free pass system either.

As for littering, none of the cities of Ireland cover themselves in glory in that respect.

Billy86

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

You always feel in Dublin that you are just one side street away from scumbags and trouble. They are especially brazen here because our Gardai are blind and soft. I would always advise tourists to visit the counties on wild Atlantic way than Dublin.

By personal experience, people I have met in Canada and Australia who did the reverse by either visiting Ireland or spending a few months or years living there rarely had much of any problem, or thought there was particularly big crime or drugs problem. And neither Canada nor Australia are exactly the most dangerous places on Earth to begin with...

Breaston Plants

Dublin is a fantastic city, with great people.

Reiver

Billy86 wrote: »

By personal experience, people I have met in Canada and Australia who did the reverse by either visiting Ireland or spending a few months or years living there rarely had much of any problem, or thought there was particularly big crime or drugs problem. And neither Canada nor Australia are exactly the most dangerous places on Earth to begin with...

Really? REALLY?! The country where everything is trying to kill you!?

Very Bored

Tarzana2 wrote: »

What makes you think people haven't visited any of these places? Love your assertion that people only visit Dublin to get to other places in the country.

You never did explain the junkie free pass system either.

As for littering, none of the cities of Ireland cover themselves in glory in that respect.

I didn't say people hadn't. I suggested they hadn't if they truly thought Dublin was nice.

I didn't assert that. I said that a lot of people have to travel through it if they want to get to other places.

You are seriously deluded if you think Dublin is nice. Its a capital city so it should be of a certain standard. Compare it with London, Rome, Prague, Vienna or Paris and you'll quickly find its not, even by comparing it with Cardiff or Edinburgh, capitals of similar size but lesser status, its as plain as the nose on your face that Dublin is not a nice capital city.

The J Stands for Jay

snubbleste wrote: »

"The city is being turned into pound shops, banks are now housing fast-food restaurants, Go around to Parnell Street; Peat's Electronics is now dead. A liquidation store is now there for Clery's."

Sounds more like 'de nort soide' is a kip.

Tarzana2

Very Bored wrote: »

I didn't say people hadn't. I suggested they hadn't if they truly thought Dublin was nice.

I didn't assert that. I said that a lot of people have to travel through it if they want to get to other places.

You are seriously deluded if you think Dublin is nice. Its a capital city so it should be of a certain standard. Compare it with London, Rome, Prague, Vienna or Paris and you'll quickly find its not, even by comparing it with Cardiff or Edinburgh, capitals of similar size but lesser status, its as plain as the nose on your face that Dublin is not a nice capital city.

Do you not realise how bitter you're across?

I know Cardiff very well. It and Dublin are very similar, it's not any nicer than Dublin certainly.

London is very nice in spots but has lots of very, very grim areas.

Prague is lovely but with some very dicey areas in the city centre and a main street that is as tacky as O'Connell Street.

I'm not deluded, it's one of those, oh what do you call those thingies, oh yes, OPINIONS.

You think Dublin is a kip. Wonderful. Kindly don't accuse people of delusion for not agreeing with you.

Very Bored

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Do you not realise how bitter you're across?

I know Cardiff very well. It and Dublin are very similar, it's not any nicer than Dublin certainly.

London is very nice in spots but has lots of very, very grim areas.

Prague is lovely but with some very dicey areas in the city centre and a main street that is as tacky as O'Connell Street.

I'm not deluded, it's one of those, oh what do you call those thingies, oh yes, OPINIONS.

You think Dublin is a kip. Wonderful. Kindly don't accuse people of delusion for not agreeing with you.

There are plenty of Dubs jumping on people here for simply expressing their opinion that Dublin is a kip. Someone even accused one poster from the country that he was suffering an inferiority complex. I was responding to that post initially. Now, how strange that you didn't jump on those Dubs whereas you jump on someone for holding the opinion that Dublin isn't nice.

Tarzana2

Very Bored wrote: »

There are plenty of Dubs jumping on people here for simply expressing their opinion that Dublin is a kip. Someone even accused one poster from the country that he was suffering an inferiority complex. I was responding to that post initially. Now, how strange that you didn't jump on those Dubs whereas you jump on someone for holding the opinion that Dublin isn't nice.

People are defending Dublin. That's not "jumping on" people. The opening post is slating Dublin so of course a lot of people here will defend the place. And how do you know everyone defending Dublin is a native Dub or even lives there? Strangely enough, some people from outside the capital are able to not completely slate the place and some of them, shock horror, actually like Dublin!

snubbleste

McGaggs wrote: »

Sounds more like 'de nort soide' is a kip.

Ah now, Joe Duffy was very clear. The podcast of the show was edited.
Dublin is an unadulterated KIP
It's a KIP

Dublin city centre is DEAD!
DEAD!
DEAD!

Dyr

Very Bored wrote: »

I'm not even going to get into a debate with those Dubs who think Dublin is beautiful. Do yourselves a favour and visit Rome, London, Paris, Prague, Vienna, Budapest etc. then come back and tell me how beautiful the capital city of Ireland is.

Been to em all bar paris, they're all equally manky around the city centre except for Vienna (and it means nothing to me)

On the plus side they're not riddled with red faced misery laced boggers