Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Give Mickey Sweeney more game time, we only ever seem to see him with 5 minutes remaining and the game slipping away..

My son is a serious fan of MS and was roaring for him to be brought on, surprised he isn't brought on more often tbh

cocoman

naughto wrote: »

Mcstay could be unveiled as Ross manager this week

They must have plenty of money in Roscommon

seligehgit

Another excellent article by Jim McGuinness,I would just love to see somebody of his ilk take the reins.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mayo-s-game-plan-came-up-short-at-crucial-moment-1.2343465

wirelessdude01

McGuinness would just love to have a crack at managing us. All that talent that he could weld a system onto.

martyos121

I was just thinking the day after the match what Jim could do for us.

Doubt it would ever happen but there's no better man to take Sam back west IMO, even if he only does it once. Can't see him leaving all the soccer money behind though, it's not financially wise.

padd b1975

cocoman wrote: »

They must have plenty of money in Roscommon

Is McStay still in the army?

seligehgit

padd b1975 wrote: »

Is McStay still in the army?

I believe he is.

ColeTrain

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

McGuinness would just love to have a crack at managing us. All that talent that he could weld a system onto.

A few biscuit tin fundraisers in New York, to match his 100k salary with Celtic, perhaps?

irishgeo

ColeTrain wrote: »

A few biscuit tin fundraisers in New York, to match his 100k salary with Celtic, perhaps?

No way is he on a 100k.

ColeTrain

irishgeo wrote: »

No way is he on a 100k.

He's on more than that, 150,000 apparently and I'd believe it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-boss-jim-mcguinness-takes-150000-role-at-celtic-but-keeps-gaa-job-28894487.html

We better get more biscuit tins...

Ace2007

ColeTrain wrote: »

He's on more than that, 150,000 apparently and I'd believe it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-boss-jim-mcguinness-takes-150000-role-at-celtic-but-keeps-gaa-job-28894487.html

We better get more biscuit tins...

Just because the paper say he's on that much doesn't mean he is. Just look at how much the average Player in Scotland earns, and even look at the average salary of a performance consultant.

a quick look on google and another paper stats, "reports that the job would come with a salary of €150,000 per annum are believed to be very wide of the mark"

Some PL managers might only be on a million, and here you think a performance consultant will be on 150k+:eek:

Stoner

ColeTrain wrote:

We better get more biscuit tins...

They are getting smaller now too.

McGuinness at mayo or back in football would be great.

ColeTrain

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just because the paper say he's on that much doesn't mean he is. Just look at how much the average Player in Scotland earns, and even look at the average salary of a performance consultant.

a quick look on google and another paper stats, "reports that the job would come with a salary of €150,000 per annum are believed to be very wide of the mark"

Some PL managers might only be on a million, and here you think a performance consultant will be on 150k+:eek:

Celtic pay very decent wages for a club in the SPL. Scott Brown is on close to £25,000 a week. McGuinness is also working with the first team, so he is also more than a consultant. I've no problem believing he's on more than £2,000 a week.

Blackjack

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just because the paper say he's on that much doesn't mean he is. Just look at how much the average Player in Scotland earns, and even look at the average salary of a performance consultant.

a quick look on google and another paper stats, "reports that the job would come with a salary of €150,000 per annum are believed to be very wide of the mark"

Some PL managers might only be on a million, and here you think a performance consultant will be on 150k+:eek:

Ah now, come on. Jim is far from average. Plus he's working with the wealthiest club in Scotland. It's not like he's working with the likes of Raith Rovers or Kilmarnock.

ColeTrain

Blackjack wrote: »

Ah now, come on. Jim is far from average. Plus he's working with the wealthiest club in Scotland. It's not like he's working with the likes of Raith Rovers or Kilmarnock.

Exactly.

Celtic's turnover last season was £64 million and that was without Champions League football, which is very lucrative.

Stoner

My Mayo friends warned me that this management combination was not great.

I guess the telling thing with respect to management was that so little was changed between the two games for Mayo. We've criticized Horan in the past for being slow on the line in 2013 but that was within 75 minutes. I honestly think he would have been far more proactive and constructive with a week had he been in the same situation.

Semi failed strategies repeated
Best attacking player under utilized
Poor recovery techniques must have been used?
Not doing the things that worked in the first game at all in the second game
I've no idea what the David Drake selection was about
Not taking advantage of the height and size advantage held
Two injured men in the starting 15

I had great hopes for Mayo this year. But not for next year, I suspect Horan would be welcomed back with open arms in 2017???

Couple more things.
I though AOS was a class act at the end of the game last week, if it's any conciliation nobody in Dublin club football wants to be marked by McMahon either.

I didn't want to pop in talking the same muck we've all read, you guys are sick of it, but looking at the positives

AOS worked against Donegal not just weak teams as the watery analysis indicates, he can be used far better in the forward line, lots to do here, he was not used against Dublin like he was against Donegal.

DOC has come on great giving another attacking option.

Parsons is a class addition.

Barrett looks good.

In my time supporting my county, twice I found myself waiting out a management term. It's not a good place to be. It's nothing short of frustrating. I hope I'm wrong though.

If Horan came back now it would be to a better squad than he left imo. He could do with a sharp man by his side though.

I guess you could say these guys need time but it's not great imo should be straight forward run to the semi finals next year though, the league will have to be used to the max this year.

TCDStudent1

Stoner wrote: »

My Mayo friends warned me that this management combination was not great.

I guess the telling thing with respect to management was that so little was changed between the two games for Mayo. We've criticized Horan in the past for being slow on the line in 2013 but that was within 75 minutes. I honestly think he would have been far more proactive and constructive with a week had he been in the same situation.

Semi failed strategies repeated
Best attacking player under utilized
Poor recovery techniques must have been used?
Not doing the things that worked in the first game at all in the second game
I've no idea what the David Drake selection was about
Not taking advantage of the height and size advantage held
Two injured men in the starting 15

I had great hopes for Mayo this year. But not for next year, I suspect Horan would be welcomed back with open arms in 2017???

Couple more things.
I though AOS was a class act at the end of the game last week, if it's any conciliation nobody in Dublin club football wants to be marked by McMahon either.

I didn't want to pop in talking the same muck we've all read, you guys are sick of it, but looking at the positives

AOS worked against Donegal not just weak teams as the watery analysis indicates, he can be used far better in the forward line, lots to do here, he was not used against Dublin like he was against Donegal.

DOC has come on great giving another attacking option.

Parsons is a class addition.

Barrett looks good.

In my time supporting my county, twice I found myself waiting out a management term. It's not a good place to be. It's nothing short of frustrating. I hope I'm wrong though.

If Horan came back now it would be to a better squad than he left imo. He could do with a sharp man by his side though.

I guess you could say these guys need time but it's not great imo should be straight forward run to the semi finals next year though, the league will have to be used to the max this year.

Geez, I dont know about that. Alan Dillion seems to be gone. Andy Moran doesnt look like he can play a full match any more. Keith Higgins is gone past 30 now which probably means that he will not be as pacey as he was. There was a very clear deterioration in the form of Kevin McLoughlin this year. It is even debatable if Cillian O'Connor's form is as good now as it was a couple of years ago.

The one plus this Mayo team has above Horan's is Diarmuid O'Connor who has the potential to become one of the top players in the country.

Ace2007

ColeTrain wrote: »

Celtic pay very decent wages for a club in the SPL. Scott Brown is on close to £25,000 a week. McGuinness is also working with the first team, so he is also more than a consultant. I've no problem believing he's on more than £2,000 a week.

Right well if you want to believe that you can, but just because he's involved with the first team means nothing in terms of getting wages that high.

It's like saying the first team doctor at Man U or Chelsea is on a few million, because it's a rich club. It doesn't just work like that.

Fr Tod Umptious

It's a bit early to be signaling out the management team as being a failure.

A SF draw v Dublin in the first year in charge is not bad going.

It will be this time next year before we can really analyze how good or bad they are.

Stoner

Parsons is a huge addition though, that has to be a plus (possibly to the new setup)

Horan never had a squad good enough to release AOS from midfield, Mayo have that now.

Dillon woukd be a loss alright I was not aware he was gone.

Higgins loss of speed would be an issue but Mayo have good fast defenders, lads are coming through.

I could have made my point better, but Mayo are short forwards but made some positive moves this year.
Btw Conway was missed this year too he plays well against Dublin.
Andy Moran was getting past a full game when Horan was there too imo his roll now as an impact sub is pretty much where he was last year.

Stoner

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

A SF draw v Dublin in the first year in charge is not bad going.

I think with the quality of the mayo squad, you could also say that Mayo did well to defeat Donegal this year, everything up to that was expected.

Mayo should get to a SF draw next year too, easier run next year compared to this year anyway.

Loafing Oaf

Stoner wrote: »

Dillon woukd be a loss alright I was not aware he was gone.

Well forgotten but not (yet) gone as they say. Bit odd as he made his contribution to the win over Roscommon but presumably management know where he stands...

ColeTrain

Ace2007 wrote: »

Right well if you want to believe that you can, but just because he's involved with the first team means nothing in terms of getting wages that high.

It's like saying the first team doctor at Man U or Chelsea is on a few million, because it's a rich club. It doesn't just work like that.

I gave you a source and reasons why he would be on that kind of money. If you disagree fine. Doesn't matter to me if he's on £300 a week and driving a Micra.

TCDStudent1

Stoner wrote: »

Parsons is a huge addition though, that has to be a plus (possibly to the new setup)

Horan never had a squad good enough to release AOS from midfield, Mayo have that now.

Dillon woukd be a loss alright I was not aware he was gone.

Higgins loss of speed would be an issue but Mayo have good fast defenders, lads are coming through.

I could have made my point better, but Mayo are short forwards but made some positive moves this year.
Btw Conway was missed this year too he plays well against Dublin.
Andy Moran was getting past a full game when Horan was there too imo his roll now as an impact sub is pretty much where he was last year.

Yeah parsons is a bonus I should have mentioned alright.

I doubt any of the players Mayo have coming through are the calibre of Higgins.

When I said Dillon was 'gone', I meant that it seems he isn't able for it any more. That's what I'm assuming anyway as there was plenty of opportunity to bring him on both days against Dublin given the displays of Doherty and mcloughlin. Was he actually a sub on those days?

Loafing Oaf

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Yeah parsons is a bonus I should have mentioned alright.

I doubt any of the players Mayo have coming through are the calibre of Higgins.

When I said Dillon was 'gone', I meant that it seems he isn't able for it any more. That's what I'm assuming anyway as there was plenty of opportunity to bring him on both days against Dublin given the displays of Doherty and mcloughlin. Was he actually a sub on those days?

I guess by the time for substitutions in the Dublin games Mayo were chasing goals and that's maybe not his forte...

flasher0030

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I guess by the time for substitutions in the Dublin games Mayo were chasing goals and that's maybe not his forte...

If they were going to have any chance of getting a goal in the last 10 minutes of the replay, they should have had O'Shea in at full forward, and have the runners off him. Dillon, with a composed head would deliver a better ball than the rubbish that was sent in to O'Shea in the first half.

But of course, at that stage, S O'Shea and Barry Moran were already gone, and Tom Parsons on the way off with an injury (I think). So had to bring O'Shea out to midfield. Only midfield option we had.

We were never going to get that goal. With about 3 minutes left, I counted 9 Mayo outfield players inside our own 45.

Why was Barry Moran taken off?

Ascii

Just for the crack I have listed the two under 21 teams above from 2006 and 2012. We know that most of the U21 from 2006 are 29-30 years old this year and some will be 31 next year which in my opinion is getting old as regards getting 70 minutes of fast paced football out of them. If you look at the list from 2006 almost all the players with the exception of Howley, Dillion, Killer and Hannick featured in 2015. If you look at the 2012 team Kirby, Regan and Cillian were the only three involved with the 2015 panel with minor showings from Conor O Shea and Geraghty.



Am I the only one that thinks we are in for a barren spell in the next couple of years, when the lads from the 2012 team who are now 24-25 and in their prime cannot fend off the 30 year olds from the 2006 team?Our failure to convert the 2013 minor team into any sort of U 21 team capable of winning a match in the 2015 season was alarming in my opinion. We know we have been very poor at this grade for the last 5 years. Are the members of the 2012 team ever gonna be good enough to step up to the grade and if so when…..is it in 2017/2018 when all the 2006 team have hung up their boots. It seemed evident more than ever this year that pace over 70 minutes is crucial, particular if we need to develop ourselves into a fast counter attacking kind of football team that all the pundits reckon we should.



Thoughts ?

davegrohl48

Interesting regarding U21 teams 2006 and 2012.
We have a very good U21 team next year.
1 - Mark Mulligan
2 - Eddie Doran
3 - Seamus Cunniffe
4 - David Kenny
5 - Michael Hall
6 - Stephen Coen
7 - Barry Duffy
8 - Val Roughneen/Gary Walsh
9 - Mathew Ruane/Padraig Prendergast
10 - Sharoize Akram
11 - Diarmuid OConnor
12 - Conor Loftus
13 - Fionan Duffy
14 - TJ Byrne
15 - Brian Reape
That's a hell of a forward line built around the power of TJ Byrne, Fionan Duffy and Diarmuid OConnor.

Ace2007

ColeTrain wrote: »

I gave you a source and reasons why he would be on that kind of money. If you disagree fine. Doesn't matter to me if he's on £300 a week and driving a Micra.

I see Celtic posted a loss of 4m over the last year, must be the salary of McGuinness :rolleyes:

seligehgit

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Interesting regarding U21 teams 2006 and 2012.
We have a very good U21 team next year.
1 - Mark Mulligan
2 - Eddie Doran
3 - Seamus Cunniffe
4 - David Kenny
5 - Michael Hall
6 - Stephen Coen
7 - Barry Duffy
8 - Val Roughneen/Gary Walsh
9 - Mathew Ruane/Padraig Prendergast
10 - Sharoize Akram
11 - Diarmuid OConnor
12 - Conor Loftus
13 - Fionan Duffy
14 - TJ Byrne
15 - Brian Reape
That's a hell of a forward line built around the power of TJ Byrne, Fionan Duffy and Diarmuid OConnor.

That looks a seriously good team on paper.