Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

seligehgit

Absolutely gutted for the players,heartbreaking.We seemed to run out of steam,that's about all I'm fit to say at the moment.:-(

TCDStudent1

Ascii wrote: »

I need to think long and hard before I put a post of where the game was won and lost...but some bullet points and initial thoughts from what I seen:
1. credit both sets of players for a great game...in particular instances like AOS when he got the slap on the face as he went in low for the tackle in the first half....he even gestured to Kinsella that there was nothing in it. Overall a great exhibition by amateur players
2. Don't know if I can agree with the sentiments on previous posts for blaming management. I felt for years that J Horan was slow to make changes on the line, surely the new management couldn't be the same. From being tactically aware in the game against Donegal, they did not become the sloppy management over night that some posts claim them to be. Sometimes players need to be held accountable.
3. I think the black card for SOS was a massive blow...cant understand what came over him. Still think it was a yellow not a black. The game went down him for Mayo from there. Twas probably a bot early to being AM on at that stage. If I am correct a black card is for 5 things:
A. Bodycheck
B. Deliberate trip
C. Dragging a player down
D. Mouthing off
E. Lashing out at the referee.
Don't know how it could be deemed to be a black card.
4. Don't feel Donie should have started. Seemed totally off the pace at times and was holding the shoulder. The one handed block on Ciaran Kilkenny in the first few minutes said it all.
5. I think Higgins is one of the finest players to ever wear the Mayo jersey and I admire him so much, but I just felt at while he was great pressing forward he seemed tactically naive at organising the defence when the pressure came on. People seemed at sixes and sevens at times and chasing the ball aimlessly. He has looked a little off the pace lately...I suppose I want him to stay young forever but seriously being turned the last day and with paddy Andrews getting 5 points from play today off him and Bernard running amok on chris I am slightly worried. I don't see any natural leader in the back six currently.
6. The whole AOS experiment seemed at odds again today. I don't know whether we were trying to vary the tactic or not use that channel to much but we put a handful of balls into him today and they were desperate. They were over cooked, too high, in on top of the keeper and floating in the air and the couple that did go in there was no one coming off the shoulder to assist. A few times we had to slow the play down at the crucial stage to allow help to arrive in the box. Needs to be a priority for next year to address the game plan
7. Dropping the ball into the keepers hands. Seen it against Donegal and despite doing it again the last day we did it again today...aka Leeroy to put us five up. Put the f**ken thing wide if anything, it will slow the restart if nothing else.
8. Them bastards on the sunday game...if I have to listen to spillane and brolly tell us about conceding goals or not killing the game off when we had the chance or us being the eternal masters of out own despise...I mean seriously put a bloody sock in it
9. I am unsure who I want to win the all Ireland. At this stage much as I hate the dubs I would like them to win and at least we will have been beaten by the all Ireland champions
10. Kevin Macmanam...will he ever f**k off and stop coming on as a sub and scoring goals
11. Diarmuid O C....deffo young player of the year and might even sneak an all star. Durcan great find as well and after 100 mins against a team like Dublin he has a lot to be proud of. Serious year for parsons as well. Overall the importance of unearthing new players is crucial. It is inevitable that next year we will loose dillion and maybe andy, but the importance of gently bringing in some of the 2013 all Ireland winning team is priority. The lack of winning at under 21 level is of concern to me. we have been shocking at this grade in recent years.
12. McLoughlin and Doherty not being effective for large parts of the game...out of only having 6 forwards we cant afford to have thirty per cent of them disappearing during games. In saying that Connolly and dean rock were less than effective for the dubs today.
13. They team owe us nothing overall. Seriously great entertainment for the year. Five in a row and seven all Ireland semis in 5 years we have a lot to be proud off. I am hoping for the county board run out the club championship fast and by end of oct the lads can take three months off and live a little. They are not machines after all and do have wives, girlfriends, children etc.
14. Looking forward already to 2016, getting on the road and giving the rossies a hammering in the FBD and the league
15. Maigh Eo abhu...on wards and upwards

1) Must agree with this. Felt the players showed a lot of class today. Even at the end, seeing O'Sé swap jerseys with Connolly was nice. They showed a lot more class than the fans who were booing today.

3) At the time, I assumed it was going to be yellow too. But I guess he did technically drag him down.....

4) On TV, Dessie Dolan had this pegged straight away. Dessie Dolan seems to be pretty sharp when looking at defenders and seeing if they are 'right'. I'd wonder if Vaughan knew he wasn't 100% and still played. Fairly selfish if he did - bit like Mcateer in 2002 world cup. If you're injured and not 100% you need to say it as you are not doing the team any favours by starting when you are not fit.

11) Terrific season for him. I'd give him YPOTY. Lacked support in the HF line though, but great ball carrier and should get better with age. A great prospect for Mayo.

12) I am really shocked they lasted as long as they did in both matches. I thought both were terrible. I am not too familiar with Mayo's bench so maybe they have nobody better? I assume Alan Dillion is finished now when he didn't come on. It was crying out for some new blood in the HF line. I was a big fan of McLoughlin when he first appeared as a half back for Mayo. He has never fully convinced me in the forwards though. He is good at carrying the ball, but his shooting lacks conviction. Even when he takes frees, there seems to be a lack of confidence in them.

Flukey

I am a Dub, but I have to say it was a great performance by Mayo. It is a match that they looked like they could win, but then it all changed. In most other eras, this Mayo team would have won All-Irelands. A bit like the great Ulster and Connacht teams of the mid 70s to early 80s, when Dublin and Kerry were having their golden eras, they have just come up against teams that were eve better than them. The current Mayo team are better than the Ulster and Connacht teams of that time. Most GAA fans would like to see this Mayo team win an All-Ireland. Cursed they may be, but not by a funeral in 1951, but by coming up against better teams and by not making the most of their opportunities. It is not much consolation now, but there is always next year. If Dublin are not to win it in 2016, then it would be great to see Mayo win it.

wackokid

I'm not at all certain that Dublin were a better team than Mayo today. Seanus O Shea, Hennelly and a few other Mayo players lost concentration when they were 4 points up 1-11 to 0-10.
What was Hennelly at with the gloves before the kick out that preceded the first goal? There is no excuse for that type of schoolyard stuff in an All Ireland semi final and Dublin grabbed their chance eagerly.
Even if Brogan did throw the ball for the next goal, the keeper should have got to a floating ball before any forward so I'm blaming Hennelly for this loss as Mayo were well on top all over the field up to that point.
Yes I know he didn't mean it but that gloves fiasco is a new one on me and I dont understand why he should have been changing his gloves at such a crucial time.
These games hinge on small things and once again the Foxford curse seems to have come back to haunt a fine Mayo team.
They are still guilty of some very amateurish behaviour and bad decision making but are now the second best football team on this Island IMHO.
By that I think Dublin will steamroll a Kerry team that have reached this final by virtue of a few strange refereeing decisions and their usual ability to capitalise on the mistakes of other teams.
This Dublin team don't make many mistakes and for that reason I feel they will be far too strong for Kerry unless they have to beat a crooked ref which is a real possibility when we examine how these whistlers are appointed and who appoints them.
Ireland unfree will never be at peace.

Kayleigh..

wackokid wrote: »

This Dublin team don't make many mistakes and for that reason I feel they will be far too strong for Kerry unless they have to beat a crooked ref which is a real possibility when we examine how these whistlers are appointed and who appoints them.
Ireland unfree will never be at peace.

What do you mean no mistakes when they threw away a seven point lead against Mayo last Sunday?

superbluedub

Kayleigh.. wrote: »

What do you mean no mistakes when they threw away a seven point lead against Mayo last Sunday?

actually he said many mistakes,also Dublin were undercooked for the first game as this was the first div 1 team them had met since april,
well that was the spill the press was putting out anyway.

mg1982

As a sligoman im genuinely gutted for mayo. Midway through the second half they had the game in the palm of there hands. But they lost the plot then entirely. No question they are good enough to win an all ireland.

corny

wackokid wrote: »

I'm not at all certain that Dublin were a better team than Mayo today. Seanus O Shea, Hennelly and a few other Mayo players lost concentration when they were 4 points up 1-11 to 0-10.
What was Hennelly at with the gloves before the kick out that preceded the first goal? There is no excuse for that type of schoolyard stuff in an All Ireland semi final and Dublin grabbed their chance eagerly.
Even if Brogan did throw the ball for the next goal, the keeper should have got to a floating ball before any forward so I'm blaming Hennelly for this loss as Mayo were well on top all over the field up to that point.
Yes I know he didn't mean it but that gloves fiasco is a new one on me and I dont understand why he should have been changing his gloves at such a crucial time.
These games hinge on small things and once again the Foxford curse seems to have come back to haunt a fine Mayo team.
They are still guilty of some very amateurish behaviour and bad decision making but are now the second best football team on this Island IMHO.
By that I think Dublin will steamroll a Kerry team that have reached this final by virtue of a few strange refereeing decisions and their usual ability to capitalise on the mistakes of other teams.
This Dublin team don't make many mistakes and for that reason I feel they will be far too strong for Kerry unless they have to beat a crooked ref which is a real possibility when we examine how these whistlers are appointed and who appoints them.
Ireland unfree will never be at peace.

If you watch it they were never on top. After the goal in the 41st minute they created one chance for Lee Keegan right after and that was it from play. There were no other chances for Mayo. 3 frees rounded off the scoring for them.

After the Mayo goal Dublin actually dominated the play but a combination of poor final ball and it must be said fierce Mayo tackling kept them at bay. They kept coming though and the introduction of the subs only increased the pressure.

seligehgit

I thought the booing of Diarmuid Connolly was pretty deplorable to put it mildly.

TCDStudent1

seligehgit wrote: »

I thought the booing of Diarmuid Connolly was pretty deplorable to put it mildly.

I wasn't at the match but on TV, it came across as a very significant amount of fans doing it. So disappointed to hear it.

kippy

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I wasn't at the match but on TV, it came across as a very significant amount of fans doing it. So disappointed to hear it.

Look, thats the game for you. DC punched a mayo player on the ground the previous week, the GAA put him back in the spotlight (not the players fault for that) and he was going to take some abuse.
Cillian O Connor took a fair amount of booing the previous week - very little was said about it.

Blackjack

seligehgit wrote: »

I thought the booing of Diarmuid Connolly was pretty deplorable to put it mildly.

Agree. You expect booing from the Hill crowd but I was disappointed to see Mayo fans stoop to that.

P_Cash

seligehgit wrote: »

I thought the booing of Diarmuid Connolly was pretty deplorable to put it mildly.

Lol, it's just a bit of steam coming off at the whole farce.

I wouldn't look to much in in to it, didn't bother Dublin at all.

On the game,

Over the two games mgt showed little expertise on strategy, plan B seemed to be try plan A again. 2 games with AOS in an ineffective position was a sure sign of it. The Lad just didnt know what to do,

The turning point was not forcing the game after the mayo goal, keegan depressed everyone with that attempt and In the minutes to follow the ball was turned over 2/3 times, one i remember parsons was involved.

Subs? WTF. What we had in midfield just disappeared.

And i agree with a post on a thread here, condition wise, while a few lads are too light AOS is too heavy.

FrKurtFahrt

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

1) Must agree with this. Felt the players showed a lot of class today. Even at the end, seeing O'Sé swap jerseys with Connolly was nice. They showed a lot more class than the fans who were booing today.

I thought this was a terrific thing to do. O'Se acted with a great deal of class, you should be proud of him. It reminded me of Tomas O'Se of Kerry handing the match ball to Cluxton after that AI Final 3 years ago.

Western Pomise

liam7831 wrote: »

I thought when O Shea got the black card was the turning point

The Dublin player pushed him cynically in hope of getting a reaction....which he got....silly schoolboy error from S O' Shea....easy maybe for me to say that but if he had stayed on field and not reacted he could have let his football do the talking.

YouTookMyName

"This Mayo team are good enough to win an all Ireland"

Been reading this for 4 summers. If they were good enough they'd have won 1.

Not good enough always meet teams just that little bit better than them.

Couple of years out of the spotlight would be the best thing for this team.

Does anybody know they took off Moran ?

keeponhurling

The 2013 final really does seem now like the one that got away

kippy

YouTookMyName wrote: »

"This Mayo team are good enough to win an all Ireland"

Been reading this for 4 summers. If they were good enough they'd have won 1.

Not good enough always meet teams just that little bit better than them.

Couple of years out of the spotlight would be the best thing for this team.

Hard to be out of the spotlight of you are one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the country. That won't change next year or the one after.

keeponhurling

keeponhurling wrote: »

The 2013 final really does seem now like the one that got away

I'd put it down to last year and Cormac Reilly. Multiple chances in the semi finals and a weaker Donegal in the final.

B17G

kippy wrote: »

Hard to be out of the spotlight of you are one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the country. That won't change next year or the one after.

Maybe yes, even if we are possibly now on the downward part of a development cycle. I say this even with Diarmuid O'Connor etc getting their chances this year. Kerry & Dublin are in the other side of the draw next year, so looking at the opposition in Connacht and Ulster its quite possible we'll get back into an SF again, barring what opposition the qualifiers might throw up.

Looking at it overall, Kerry and Dublin seem to have increased the gap v the rest in terms of squad quality, especially the impact of subs coming off the bench. Dublin showed this yet again yesterday. We got wiped out really in the last 15 minutes. Unless Mayo can get to this level of overall squad quality an AI won't be won imo.

YouTookMyName

kippy wrote: »

Hard to be out of the spotlight of you are one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the country. That won't change next year or the one after.

I'm hoping for an implosion and a shít hot galway team next summer. Neither will happen though.

ColeTrain

I don't know what to say except throw out a few points.

-We were doing okay yesterday before our five minute collapse but had to work too hard for our scores, in contrast to Dublin who made it look straightforward.

-We've too many runners around the middle and no corner forwards. The likes of McLoughlin, Doherty and DOC pick the ball up and their only option is to solo forward, thankless job for them. We didn't use the corners enough. Andy helped when he came on but he could only do so much. Aidan suffered with lack of support once again.

-Wrong subsitutions and lack of subs made at vital times. Why start Vaughan when we all knew he was injured? Barry Moran shouldn't have been taken off. It makes it even more baffling with the fact that Seamus O'Shea was gone at that stage too. Surely we needed more in the middle. Sending on Ronaldason with two minutes to go and six down? That ought to do it! Jesus, where's the imagination, why not use the sub earlier when it could actually change things in our favour? If it doesn't work then grand but it's better than not playing your cards at all.

I don't want to get into criticising players, couldn't fault them lads, really feel sorry for them. Positives were Durcan who was good once again, also very impressed with Diarmuid O' Connor, going to be some player in a few years. You have to give credit to Andy Moran, thought he was great when he came on and has been some servant to Mayo Gaa.

Another disappointing year for a talented group of players, hopefully not the end of an era.

padd b1975

keeponhurling wrote: »

The 2013 final really does seem now like the one that got away

2004 and 2006 aside, they all got away.

jmayo

YouTookMyName wrote: »

"This Mayo team are good enough to win an all Ireland"

Been reading this for 4 summers. If they were good enough they'd have won 1.

Not good enough always meet teams just that little bit better than them.

Couple of years out of the spotlight would be the best thing for this team.

I agree.
This team has had chances to win All Ireland.
Call it bad luck or a curse if you want, but I would be more inclined to agree with Joe Brolly.
We have continued to ship goals at crucial times.
We are soft at the back.
Our supposed sweeper system was a joke and ha not been worked on long enough to get it working.

It is no use working your ar** off to build up a lead or stay in a game to fall asleep at the back.
Even though we have some fantastic backs that are great going forward sometimes they just need to do the dirty hard slog work at the back.
Until our backline is made secure this team will never win an All Ireland.

Up front we are carrying a couple of passengers and have being doing so for a few years.
It doesn't matter how hard a player works if they can't score and just turn over possession to the opposition.

As with other year I think a lot of our problems has been down to management.
At this stage we have written in stone Einstein's theory about continually making the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome.
I thought the new partnership would have learned something from the last guy making the same mistakes and getting turned over, but they didn't.

The one thing that I can't fail any of the players on is commitment and dedication.
After all the knocks they have experienced to date they keep coming back for more.
And no matter what anyone levels at them they can't be faulted for effort.
They don't know when to lie down.
They deserve better from management, because we have some fantastic footballers who give up their lives for a dream of lifting Sam.

aidan24326

Ascii wrote: »

12. McLoughlin and Doherty not being effective for large parts of the game...out of only having 6 forwards we cant afford to have thirty per cent of them disappearing during games. In saying that Connolly and dean rock were less than effective for the dubs today.

McLoughlin did ok in spurts but Doherty offered nothing at all over the two games. Surely Alan Freeman would be a better option?

Shurimgreat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anybody know they took off Moran ?

No idea. We were bossing the game up to then and looked comfortable. Off he comes and Dublin start bossing the middle. I think he was taken off just before the botched Hennelly kickout. We lost our main outlet at midfield. Fair enough if he was injured though he wasn't limping and hadn't been treated. And why not bring back AOS to midfield to give a presence. In a catalog of poor substitutions in the last 5 years that was one of the worst. Clueless management once again. Its the curse of poor management.

P_Cash

AOS should have been brought back to mid field half way through the first game.

CurryFlavoured

Hard luck lads, there's really nothing between the 2 sides as 2013, last week and most of the game yesterday showed. I'd say you need another forward, which you probably do, to win an AI but its criminal that this side hasn't won one already.

P_Cash

P_Cash wrote: »

AOS should have been brought back to mid field half way through the first game.

I just re-watched the game again. Real amateurism from the management. Brolly had predicted at half time what was likely going to happen. The changes, lack of instructions, no tactics have cost the game.