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Lane hogging

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    #182
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    mudstack wrote: »
    I've provided you with a link, I can't be explaining the rules of the road to you all night or when to use common sense, or spend anymore time answering your stupid questions. Speeding is dangerous, driving too slowly is also dangerous. Adhere to the roads and I hope I, or anyone I know doesn't become a victim of your idiocy in the future.

    Answer the question please, would you consider doing 50mph on a little windy boreen speeding?

    Also, you said that driving at 62 on the M50 was safer than driving at 63. Why don't you then drive at 40 and never exceed that? That'd be much safer no?


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    #183
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Answer the question please, would you consider doing 50mph on a little windy boreen speeding?

    Also, you said that driving at 62 on the M50 was safer than driving at 63. Why don't you then drive at 40 and never exceed that? That'd be much safer no?

    The answers are all in the link, it's all explained for you there in easy to understand language. Have a little read and sleep on it;)


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    #184
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    So you won't answer.

    Funny that you started this whole thing by admitting you break the law in your very first post!

    You Sir are a danger to everyone on the road


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    #185
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    Typical response from the "speed kills" brigade. I guess these are the same people who drive at 60 km/h on slip roads and then begin accelerating when they get onto the motorway...


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    #186
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Typical response from the "speed kills" brigade. I guess these are the same people who drive at 60 km/h on slip roads and then begin accelerating when they get onto the motorway...

    The argument is usually "Babies Will Die!" and if you argue against, you are a baby murderer. Inescapable logic. :rolleyes:


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    #187
    Dr Turk Turkelton
    Registered Users Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    After reading sixteen pages of this thread I still can't believe the amount of idiots I have to share a road with.


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    #188
    JillyQ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    From reading this thread I am glad to see that it is not just me that stupidity and general bad driving on motorways annoys the hell out of most of us.


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    #189
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Can't remember the last time there was an incident on any of Ireland's motorways caused by speed. However, there are daily accidents on the M50, N7 and N40 due to this disease that is lane ignorance in Ireland. If I'm doing 140km/h in the overtaking lane and I then come upon someone dawdling in the overtaking lane it's a recipe for disaster.

    In addition to that this lane indiscipline is severely limiting the capacity of Ireland's motorways & dual carriageways, and many of said accidents above are caused by brainless people using these roads.


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    #190
    JillyQ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    marno21 wrote: »
    Can't remember the last time there was an incident on any of Ireland's motorways caused by speed. However, there are daily accidents on the M50, N7 and N40 due to this disease that is lane ignorance in Ireland. If I'm doing 140km/h in the overtaking lane and I then come upon someone dawdling in the overtaking lane it's a recipe for disaster.

    In addition to that this lane indiscipline is severely limiting the capacity of Ireland's motorways & dual carriageways, and many of said accidents above are caused by brainless people using these roads.

    Try using the M6 & M4 they have more than there fair share of clowns on them


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    #191
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    JillyQ wrote: »
    Try using the M6 & M4 they have more than there fair share of clowns on them
    The M1/2/3/4/6/7/8/9/11/18/20 are bad enough but the 3 lanes (N7, N40 & M50) are just abysmal


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    #192
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    marno21 wrote: »
    [...]If I'm doing 140km/h in the overtaking lane and I then come upon someone dawdling in the overtaking lane it's a recipe for disaster.
    [...]

    100kph could be considered "dawdling" compared to 140kph. However if the same car is in the overtaking lane travelling at 100 kph in a 100kph zone and IS overtaking traffic at the same time, and you come upon them travelling at 140kph then the potential recipe for disaster is you.


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    #193
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    100kph could be considered "dawdling" compared to 140kph. However if the same car is in the overtaking lane travelling at 100 kph in a 100kph zone and IS overtaking traffic at the same time, and you come upon them travelling at 140kph then the potential recipe for disaster is you.

    This I agree with. I speed, no point denying it, but if someone is respecting the limit and overtaking, its not my place to force them out of the way or ride up there backside. They are entitled to be there for the duration of their maneuver. The issue only is if they try to pull out sans indication at the last minute or maintain their position in the overtaking lane for longer than necessary.


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    #194
    JillyQ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    marno21 wrote: »
    The M1/2/3/4/6/7/8/9/11/18/20 are bad enough but the 3 lanes (N7, N40 & M50) are just abysmal


    Couldnt agree more maybe there should be a national lane discipline day :rolleyes:


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    #195
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    JillyQ wrote: »
    Couldnt agree more maybe there should be a national lane discipline day :rolleyes:

    Wouldn't that be nice. The RSA should hang up posters "Sure as long as you're not speeding, we don't give a sh*t"


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    #196
    H3llR4iser
    Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Jesus. wrote: »
    No point in doing that Cinio. Just keep on driving in lane one

    I agree it is useless to try and teach maths to a donkey; However, I would only undertake in an absolutely farcical situation - e.g. driver going 50km/h on the overtaking lane.

    As stupid/pointless as it sounds, if I am driving left and come up a middle lane hogger I go the trouble of checking mirrors and move 2 lanes back and forth. Why? I am not sure if it's a Cork thing, but drivers around fancy themselves vigilantes - especially the ones you see doing 80 in the overtaking lane. One in two WILL squeeze you towards the armco if you attempt an undertake, in a way that would cause a collision if you didn't back out.
    kbannon wrote: »
    It's only in recent years that drivers are being taught properly so it's not surprising that standards on the whole are poor.
    However, there is a small cohort of arrogant or selfish drivers who deliberately block drivers for some fecked up reason or another.

    I would say they still aren't - a while ago I posted about seeing not one but two driving school cars, clearly engaged in driving lessons in that very moment, entering a three-lane dual carriageway and jutting directly in the middle lane as soon as the dotted line appeared on the slip road. I am "happy" to report they keep doing that nearly on a daily basis - and for all the learners in these cars to do exactly the same maneuver, it means it's the way they're told to do by their "instructors". Way to properly educate future drivers.
    mudstack wrote: »
    Is it considered lane-hogging if someone is driving at the speed limit or slightly over and driving faster than the majority of cars in the slow lane and waiting to pull in behind a car travelling at roughly the same speed as themselves or faster?

    Should they have to pull in and slow down to allow someone driving at an excessive speed to overtake them then try to pull back into the overtaking lane?

    Honest question.

    Certainly not - you have nowhere to go and can't be expected to disappear.
    thomur wrote: »
    Ok, maybe my lack of knowledge but I always thought it was for people who were exiting at the next exit

    And here we go, I think we have the silver bullet. I would guess a lot of people think the leftmost lane is for exiting only.
    ironclaw wrote: »
    This I agree with. I speed, no point denying it, but if someone is respecting the limit and overtaking, its not my place to force them out of the way or ride up there backside. They are entitled to be there for the duration of their maneuver. The issue only is if they try to pull out sans indication at the last minute or maintain their position in the overtaking lane for longer than necessary.

    Exactly. One small addition - people also need to get out of the mentality that "I indicate, therefore I can move across whenever I like". Check the mirrors and possibly your blind spot - over the shoulder, half a second glance will tell you if something you can't see in the mirror is there, like a motorbike.


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    #197
    marno21
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    In the case of the M50, the leftmost lane IS for exiting only, the auxiliary lane.

    More education needs to be included too as to the different markings for the auxilliary lane, as there is already signage about it before the exit.


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    #198
    xabi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭xabi


    marno21 wrote: »
    In the case of the M50, the leftmost lane IS for exiting only, the auxiliary lane.

    More education needs to be included too as to the different markings for the auxilliary lane, as there is already signage about it before the exit.

    The auxillary lane is only in parts of the M50 though, and its clearly marked so there should be no excuses.


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    #199
    DakarVert
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭DakarVert


    Most people simply just can't drive. :)

    Witnessed someone REVERSING up the M7 on the hard shoulder because they missed the Cork M8 exit.


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    #200
    degsie
    Registered Users Posts: 8,738 ✭✭✭degsie


    No such thing as slow or fast lanes, come on ppl! How can someone who thinks this be allowed to drive at all :mad:


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    #201
    JillyQ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    DakarVert wrote: »
    Most people simply just can't drive. :)

    Witnessed someone REVERSING up the M7 on the hard shoulder because they missed the Cork M8 exit.

    That doesn't surprise me


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    #202
    ?Cee?view
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    thomur wrote: »
    Don't agree. Cant be vilified for following the law if I follow the speed limit. Can't understand how people justify speeding

    You're not following the law. You're in the wrong lane.


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    #203
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    There's also the lane hoggers who constantly stay in the overtaking lane driving way over the speed limit.
    They're usually the same ones who drive 2 inches behind you should you dare to pull into the overtaking lane and actually drive at the speed limit to overtake a car or queue of cars.

    These drivers make it unsafe for law abiding drivers to pull out into the overtaking lane.

    They seem to think that everyone else should stay in the left lane and out of their way while they hog the overtaking lane.


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    #204
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    mudstack wrote: »
    There's also the lane hoggers who constantly stay in the overtaking lane driving way over the speed limit.
    They're usually the same ones who drive 2 inches behind you should you dare to pull into the overtaking lane and actually drive at the speed limit to overtake a car or queue of cars.

    These drivers make it unsafe for law abiding drivers to pull out into the overtaking lane.

    They seem to think that everyone else should stay in the left lane and out of their way while they hog the overtaking lane.

    You can hog any lane you want as long as you're going faster than traffic on the lane to your left :rolleyes:


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    #205
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    mudstack wrote: »
    There's also the lane hoggers who constantly stay in the overtaking lane driving way over the speed limit.
    They're usually the same ones who drive 2 inches behind you should you dare to pull into the overtaking lane and actually drive at the speed limit to overtake a car or queue of cars.

    These drivers make it unsafe for law abiding drivers to pull out into the overtaking lane.

    They seem to think that everyone else should stay in the left lane and out of their way while they hog the overtaking lane.

    I usually drive above speed limit on motorways, but I'd always pull straight to driving lane after overtaking, even if I know I'll have to move back to overtaking lane again in 10 seconds.


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    #206
    DaveyBhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭DaveyBhoy


    harr wrote: »
    On M50 today not often up that part of the country the amount of cars hogging the overtaking lanes ,one in particular a young lady in a ford KA causing all sorts of problems she was going no more than 40km in the far right over taking lane.
    Got stuck behind her for about 2km no choice in end but to over take on the inside ...anyway just as I was undertaking her a traffic cop flies up behind us and pulls her over but where does she try pull over....yep pull ups on the right ..cops had to guide her over to hard shoulder ..
    Same cop car pulled over a merc driving in over talking lane further up the M50 was not causing any problems and keeping to the speed limit but got pulled I presume for being in the wrong lane.
    Good to see the cops pulling for this...is the M50 always this bad ?

    Oh yes. This sounds far too familiar. I drive for a living and I'm always under taking cars. My vehicle is limited to 90km/h so that will give you an example of how slow they are going. The middle lane just seems to be the one they all like to stay in. But again, I have seen the Garda pulling for this. Keep up the good work I say. N7 is notorious for it aswel. If not worse. You're not goin mad my friend ☺


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    #207
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #208
    xabi
    Registered Users Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭xabi


    Pov06 wrote: »
    You can hog any lane you want as long as you're going faster than traffic on the lane to your left :rolleyes:

    That would be overtaking then, not 'hogging', you should never 'hog' a lane.


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    #209
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    Pov06 wrote: »
    You can hog any lane you want as long as you're going faster than traffic on the lane to your left :rolleyes:
    You'd have been a lot more accurate had you said
    You can hog any lane you want as long as you're actively overtaking traffic on the lane to your left :rolleyes:


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    #210
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    I think the point some people are missing is that when you stay to the left unless you are overtaking it creates a flow that moves everyone along easily and efficiently regardless of speed or speed limits.

    Its muppets who think because they're driving the speed limit they can be in any lane, that break the whole system and make it all more dangerous.


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    #211
    H3llR4iser
    Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Funny, because I would say the exact reverse - I suspect it's a matter of perception, where you drive the most is where you see the most of the "lane hogging". Doesn't bide well for the general picture...

    Further point in case - I noticed half decent behaviour on the two-lane stretches of the N20, while the Link Road (N40) and N25 could literally be the "poster child" for "worst driving in the country": people jumping directly in the overtaking lane from slip roads, 80kph hoggers, lorries stuck behind somebody going 60 (very often driving a 2.0 turbodiesel, not a weezy Micra) and forced to overtake...tractors with humonguous trailers in the middle lane and general, assorted mayhem and a metric ton of unaccompanied L drivers. But then again, I drive there daily, so it's most likely just sampling bias.


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