Leaving Cert 2016/17 Off-Topic Thread

randylonghorn

BadBannana wrote: »

You can try to sue whoever you want, the judge will chuck you out on your arse unless you actually had a point.

By the time it gets before a judge, it's already been a huge drain on resources both in finances and in peoples time.

Plus the legal system doesn't judge on common sense, it judges on the letter of the law, and a smart barrister all too often can find something in the vast corpus of the law to hang his coat on, even if everyone knows it wasn't the original intent of that passage. Even if s/he doesn't win the case, it can drag on a long time, give everyone (else) involved ulcers, and earn the barrister a huge amount of money!

Which is why other smart lawyers advise clients to cover their asses and get waivers signed before the nightmare can hit them ...

Manutd_4life

Just out of curiosity, is there any information out or coming out regarding the new points system and how it will affect points for university courses?

randylonghorn

It has been discussed a bit in the other thread.

BadBannana

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, is there any information out or coming out regarding the new points system and how it will affect points for university courses?

From asking teachers and people involved in colleges the new system is to reduce random selection and if people get more points the courses will rise, if people get less points the courses will fall.

Manutd_4life

BadBannana wrote: »

From asking teachers and people involved in colleges the new system is to reduce random selection and if people get more points the courses will rise, if people get less points the courses will fall.

I see, thanks

Just find it a bit strange that nothing official has come out from the CAO or State of Education explaining all this change and the reasoning and benefits behind it.

BadBannana

Manutd_4life wrote: »

I see, thanks

Just find it a bit strange that nothing official has come out from the CAO or State of Education explaining all this change and the reasoning and benefits behind it.

There's a PDF up on the CAO site. Just Google "new points system" it'll be one of the results. It makes sense and it's nothing to be worried about.

Tbh I'd be more worried about when they'll decide to get rid of the extra 25 points

Mr Rhode Island Red

BadBannana wrote: »

There's a PDF up on the CAO site. Just Google "new points system" it'll be one of the results. It makes sense and it's nothing to be worried about.

Tbh I'd be more worried about when they'll decide to get rid of the extra 25 points

I honestly don't know how people had the drive to stick with honours maths before the extra 25 points was introduced. Like unless you needed it for engineering or had a natural like or aptitude for numbers, why would you bother?

Even with the extra 25 points only 17 students out of a year of about 120 did honours maths out of the leaving cert class this year in my school, and it's heading in the same direction for my year group too.

LC2016

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

I honestly don't know how people had the drive to stick with honours maths before the extra 25 points was introduced. Like unless you needed it for engineering or had a natural like or aptitude for numbers, why would you bother?

Even with the extra 25 points only 17 students out of a year of about 120 did honours maths out of the leaving cert class this year in my school, and it's heading in the same direction for my year group too.

Really?? We had 4 honours classes and just 2 ordinary level classes do the LC this year.

skippy1977

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

I honestly don't know how people had the drive to stick with honours maths before the extra 25 points was introduced. Like unless you needed it for engineering or had a natural like or aptitude for numbers, why would you bother?

Even with the extra 25 points only 17 students out of a year of about 120 did honours maths out of the leaving cert class this year in my school, and it's heading in the same direction for my year group too.

I noticed an interesting trend this year whilst calculating the points of our Leaving Certs. For the weaker Maths students who were hanging on for a D they actually didn't get the benefit of the 25 points.

For example a student who gets 6C1s and a D2 in HL Maths is actually only 10 points better off as the Maths counted instead of one of the C1's. (Gained 50+25=75 but had 65 with the C1...if people get what I mean). We had a student got 6B1's or higher and a B3 in HL Maths...they were 15 points better off...not 25.

It's something I hadn't really thought of before... and it's a significant consideration especially given the time put into Maths and the cost in many cases!

BadBannana

My year had one ordinary level class and two higher levels but it seems the weakest higher level class has morphed into an ordinary level one.

Slightly in relation to this, I read the other day that they'll be upping the minimum requirements for maths courses now. It's to prevent all the people getting into engineering with a higher level D and using better results in non maths subject to carry them.

nanook5

BadBannana wrote: »

My year had one ordinary level class and two higher levels but it seems the weakest higher level class has morphed into an ordinary level one.

Slightly in relation to this, I read the other day that they'll be upping the minimum requirements for maths courses now. It's to prevent all the people getting into engineering with a higher level D and using better results in non maths subject to carry them.

Don't most of engineering courses require a C3 though?

BadBannana

nanook5 wrote: »

Don't most of engineering courses require a C3 though?

You're right of course. The article didn't really refer to exact courses tbh so that's one that just came to mind

Mr Rhode Island Red

As far as I know, the C3 maths requirement is going to become a H4 in the new system. The C3 was 55-60 percent whereas a H4 is going to be 60-70 percent.

nanook5

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

As far as I know, the C3 maths requirement is going to become a H4 in the new system. The C3 was 55-60 percent whereas a H4 is going to be 60-70 percent.

Hopefully not

VG31

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

As far as I know, the C3 maths requirement is going to become a H4 in the new system. The C3 was 55-60 percent whereas a H4 is going to be 60-70 percent.

Do you have a source for that or is it just a rumour?

Manutd_4life

Why is this still called the '5th year' off topic thread?

There's currently two of them on the main leaving cert page. Someone change it please, thank you

randylonghorn

I'll change it finally in a few days.

nanook5

needs to be changed to 16/17

randylonghorn

S***, sorry, so it does!

Bazinga_N

Now that I'm officially repeating I guess this is the new OTT for me :P

Mr Rhode Island Red

VG31 wrote: »

Do you have a source for that or is it just a rumour?

http://www2.cao.ie/downloads/documents/NewCommonPointsScale2017.pdf

It mentions specific subject requirement "recommended" changes on pages 11 and 12

Consonata

Bazinga_N wrote: »

Now that I'm officially repeating I guess this is the new OTT for me :P

*Fistbump*, Medicine also?

BadBannana

Is everyone on Boards doing medicine?

Bazinga_N

Consonata wrote: »

*Fistbump*, Medicine also?

No actually :P I changed my mind about doing Medicine some time ago! Going for Law & Politics this time around! Were you far off Medicine this year?

Mr Rhode Island Red

Bazinga_N wrote: »

No actually :P I changed my mind about doing Medicine some time ago! Going for Law & Politics this time around! Were you far off Medicine this year?

That's a drastic shift. What made you change your mind?

BadBannana wrote: »

Is everyone on Boards doing medicine?

There does seem to be a lot of medicine hopefuls on this forum to be honest. A large proportion of it stems from people thinking they have to do a course with high entrance requirements to avoid "wasting points". More are being forced into it by parents or are disillusioned to what medicine actually involves. Another few are in it for the €€€.

Call me cynical but I always get the vibe that there aren't many on here who want to do medicine for the "right reasons".

Bazinga_N

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

That's a drastic shift. What made you change your mind?

Well I've been involved with MUN for the past number of years and I suppose it's been the driving force behind my wanting to do Law & Politics. It's not that I suddenly realised I didn't want to do Medicine anymore. I still think it's a fascinating and honourable profession and I might even end up doing it as a graduate or something, but for now I know Law & Politics is the undergraduate degree I wanna do. It was kinda just Law & Politics suddenly slipped above Medicine on my CAO

Consonata

Bazinga_N wrote: »

Well I've been involved with MUN for the past number of years and I suppose it's been the driving force behind my wanting to do Law & Politics. It's not that I suddenly realised I didn't want to do Medicine anymore. I still think it's a fascinating and honourable profession and I might even end up doing it as a graduate or something, but for now I know Law & Politics is the undergraduate degree I wanna do. It was kinda just Law & Politics suddenly slipped above Medicine on my CAO

I love Politics and I'm a big fan of suits so I would be lying if that path didnt cross my mind once or twice. What is MUN just out of curiosity?

Xgracie

Bazinga_N wrote: »

Well I've been involved with MUN for the past number of years and I suppose it's been the driving force behind my wanting to do Law & Politics. It's not that I suddenly realised I didn't want to do Medicine anymore. I still think it's a fascinating and honourable profession and I might even end up doing it as a graduate or something, but for now I know Law & Politics is the undergraduate degree I wanna do. It was kinda just Law & Politics suddenly slipped above Medicine on my CAO

Do you want to do it in UCD or trinity?

Consonata

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

There does seem to be a lot of medicine hopefuls on this forum to be honest. A large proportion of it stems from people thinking they have to do a course with high entrance requirements to avoid "wasting points". More are being forced into it by parents or are disillusioned to what medicine actually involves. Another few are in it for the €€€.

Call me cynical but I always get the vibe that there aren't many on here who want to do medicine for the "right reasons".

I'd say that there is alot of the wasting points around. I know I have my own reasons for doing medicine that aren't that, otherwise I wouldn't be repeating for it :pac:

However I do feel it needs to be said that you are likely seeing a lot more than you would usually see because Med hopefuls are (most likely) the type to be perusing a Leaving Cert internet forum :pac: :rolleyes:

Peregrine

Consonata wrote: »

However I do feel it needs to be said that you are likely seeing a lot more than you would usually see because Med hopefuls are (most likely) the type to be perusing a Leaving Cert internet forum :pac: :rolleyes:

On the contrary, this forum was all about science two and three years ago.