Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

darragh_haven

johnny122 wrote: »

Lads. Is it too dry for urea do he think?

Get out..... and on your knee. If your knees are damp you can spread away

RightTurnClyde

Well, what are ye're opinions on the Commission's measures that were announced today?
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commission-announce-measures-to-solve-dairy-crisis

darragh_haven

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Well, what are ye're opinions on the Commission's measures that were announced today?
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commission-announce-measures-to-solve-dairy-crisis

Am I totally illiterate or does it say that dairy farmers can get €15,000 per year ..... just for being dairy farmers!

boggerman1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Am I totally illiterate or does it say that dairy farmers can get €15,000 per year ..... just for being dairy farmers!

Jesus bring it on so😂

kevthegaff

Is it state aid? I'm not that lucky:-)

darragh_haven

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is it state aid? I'm not that lucky:-)

I'm buying a milk bucket and a jersey cow.... and a churn

Buford T. Justice XIX

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Well, what are ye're opinions on the Commission's measures that were announced today?
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commission-announce-measures-to-solve-dairy-crisis

Strengthening the producer in the supply chain

The role and position of producers in the food supply chain continues to be of great concern. The Agricultural Markets Taskforce, launched as part of the €500m support package from September 2015, will deliver in autumn conclusions and legislative recommendations to improve the balance in the chain.
It was decided today that High Level national representatives will meet with the Agricultural Markets Taskforce with the view to specifically look at the dairy sector.


They're waiting till Autumn to deliver conclusions, which will be so vague as to be indecipherable, and recommendations which will be so watered down by the time they actually get implemented as to be near useless.


Meanwhile, all the supply chain outside the farm gate is fully protected and immune from any disruption and the retailer gets off having their margins eroded to actually have equal return and reward along the supply chain.


Nothing will change except the date.:(

Buford T. Justice XIX

And just to prove I can be positive, expect a rise in GDT tomorrow:)

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dairy-futures-market-points-to-another-positive-global-dairy-trade/

jaymla627

darragh_haven wrote: »

Am I totally illiterate or does it say that dairy farmers can get €15,000 per year ..... just for being dairy farmers!

I reckon that's geared towards countries like France that are opting to pay out 10c/l per litre on every litre less a farmer produces in 2016 compared to 2015, covneys already came out and said Ireland won't be implementing that option.
it's funny a caretaker Ag minister has such unilateral powers as to decide this on his own, spun some line of collectively how all irish dairy farmers are on the expansion bandwagon and wouldn't stand for having to cut supply, I'm sure their a nice % that would indeed like to take up something like above

Base price

jaymla627 wrote: »

I reckon that's geared towards countries like France that are opting to pay out 10c/l per litre on every litre less a farmer produces in 2016 compared to 2015, covneys already came out and said Ireland won't be implementing that option.
it's funny a caretaker Ag minister has such unilateral powers as to decide this on his own, spun some line of collectively how all irish dairy farmers are on the expansion bandwagon and wouldn't stand for having to cut supply, I'm sure their a nice % that would indeed like to take up something like above

I know a few elderly dairy farmers in my area who would jump at €15k. If they had the opportunity to avail of it they would probably take it.

jaymla627

Base price wrote: »

I know a few elderly dairy farmers in my area who would jump at €15k. If they had the opportunity to avail of it they would probably take it.

Would be more then elderly farmers I'd say, two guy's close enough to me are cutting back on numbers this year simply because the extra workload/costs associated with the higher stocking rates just weren't paying.
These lads would be on wet ground granted but I'd say alot of guys in their shoes are thinking the same after the crap start to spring

Base price

jaymla627 wrote: »

Would be more then elderly farmers I'd say, two guy's close enough to me are cutting back on numbers this year simply because the extra workload/costs associated with the higher stocking rates just weren't paying.
These lads would be on wet ground granted but I'd say alot of guys in their shoes are thinking the same after the crap start to spring

I have feck all knowledge of operating a dairy operation. However anyone operating a business should not make rash judgements based on a post quota volatile price and seasonal inclement weather/ground conditions.
The dairy farmers that I'm referring to milk between 15 to 30 cows. The only reason that they continue to milk is because they inherited the farm from their parents. A few are still milking in tie up byres with pipelines.

keep going

darragh_haven wrote: »

I'm buying a milk bucket and a jersey cow.... and a churn

Ah the cute boy jersey milk-high solids , low volume so the churn will be light

visatorro

Base price wrote: »

I have feck all knowledge of operating a dairy operation. However anyone operating a business should not make rash judgements based on a post quota volatile price and seasonal inclement weather/ground conditions.
The dairy farmers that I'm referring to milk between 15 to 30 cows. The only reason that they continue to milk is because they inherited the farm from their parents. A few are still milking in tie up byres with pipelines.

Is there many lads like that left I wonder?
Was a lad beside me with two hundred acres in a block, milking 50 cows in a tie up. He had a stroke. Son in law was thrown in at the deep end, grew to like it and wanted to make a go of it. Auld lad was having none of it saying if you had to spend money on a parlour it wasn't worth it! Son in law walked away. You'd wonder with some lads.

keep going

Base price wrote: »

I have feck all knowledge of operating a dairy operation. However anyone operating a business should not make rash judgements based on a post quota volatile price and seasonal inclement weather/ground conditions.
The dairy farmers that I'm referring to milk between 15 to 30 cows. The only reason that they continue to milk is because they inherited the farm from their parents. A few are still milking in tie up byres with pipelines.

Ah Base , if you dont know how farmers react to things you have never been to a mart

keep going

I have to admit something , my children are racists.the other day the lads were doing something with me with the cows and they told me the red and white cow was their favourite.then yesterday we driving somewhere and passed a yard with jersey cows and the young one was fawning over them.so there we are with some great solid black cows with nice compact size yet big enough andshowing their nz heritage but my children only see the colour of the skin.btw im on the look out for a jersey cow just for the look of her as a kind of a pet despite it breaking all my own rules

Base price

visatorro wrote: »

Is there many lads like that left I wonder?
Was a lad beside me with two hundred acres in a block, milking 50 cows in a tie up. He had a stroke. Son in law was thrown in at the deep end, grew to like it and wanted to make a go of it. Auld lad was having none of it saying if you had to spend money on a parlour it wasn't worth it! Son in law walked away. You'd wonder with some lads.

Within a stones throw of my place in Longford there are 3. One is my own age, married with four teenage/young adult children and milking 30 odd cows. Another is older than me, married but no children milking 12 cows. The other is also a few years older than me, a spinster with two twenty odd year old children. He milks 25 cows.
I could add more to that list without travelling too far outside our townland.

Base price

keep going wrote: »

Ah Base , if you dont know how farmers react to things you have never been to a mart

I have both sold and bought stock in more marts than I care to remember.

Timmaay

jaymla627 wrote: »

Would be more then elderly farmers I'd say, two guy's close enough to me are cutting back on numbers this year simply because the extra workload/costs associated with the higher stocking rates just weren't paying.
These lads would be on wet ground granted but I'd say alot of guys in their shoes are thinking the same after the crap start to spring

I was having a chat with a neighbour farmer the other day about the outlook and different options, his opinion was that I should always keep in mind the option of drop back to 60 cows, very simple low labour system and get a part time job. This was in the face of me looking at spending another 20/30k with the young farmers grant on slurry storage/cubicles etc. Not actually the worst of options 2bh, especially considering I can get an equally as good (or if the milk price stays the same, a wayyy better) return on investment elsewhere on my 30k . I'll probably stay going as I am, but I'm most certainly alot less tolerate of problem cows now, whereas I was looking at milking 97 this year and 110 next year, I'll probably cull 1/2 the autumn carryovers instead, alongside afew other poor milkers, and end up low 90s and only just tip over the 100 next year.

keep going

Base price wrote: »

I have both sold and bought stock in more marts than I care to remember.

Dosent it go from "we are going to make a fortune"to"the thing is f##ked"in weeks

Dawggone

jaymla627 wrote: »

I reckon that's geared towards countries like France that are opting to pay out 10c/l per litre on every litre less a farmer produces in 2016 compared to 2015, covneys already came out and said Ireland won't be implementing that option.
it's funny a caretaker Ag minister has such unilateral powers as to decide this on his own, spun some line of collectively how all irish dairy farmers are on the expansion bandwagon and wouldn't stand for having to cut supply, I'm sure their a nice % that would indeed like to take up something like above

Where does the finance for the 10cpl come from?
It's all getting a bit silly...with quota you were fined for exceeding and now you are paid to reduce supply.

I hope I'm not going to have to pay a fine for producing more milk. Was planning to produce an extra 500k liters....

Dawggone

darragh_haven wrote: »

Am I totally illiterate or does it say that dairy farmers can get €15,000 per year ..... just for being dairy farmers!

I was at a cropping event yesterday and there was a nice few sour grapes about that.
Cereals are way worse off atm with 3yrs of crap prices....a few months of poor milk prices and there's a ****storm!

keep going

Dawggone wrote: »

Where does the finance for the 10cpl come from?
It's all getting a bit silly...with quota you were fined for exceeding and now you are paid to reduce supply.

I hope I'm not going to have to pay a fine for producing more milk. Was planning to produce an extra 500k liters....

The killing thing its not going to raise the price of milk one iota

whelan2

keep going wrote: »

I have to admit something , my children are racists.the other day the lads were doing something with me with the cows and they told me the red and white cow was their favourite.then yesterday we driving somewhere and passed a yard with jersey cows and the young one was fawning over them.so there we are with some great solid black cows with nice compact size yet big enough andshowing their nz heritage but my children only see the colour of the skin.btw im on the look out for a jersey cow just for the look of her as a kind of a pet despite it breaking all my own rules

Bought a red and white rotbundt cross a few years ago. She's the first one the kids look for when bringing in cows. Also the excitement of what colour calf she will have. Have my own bred hmy red and white one and she had a nice red calf last week. A bull

Dawggone

keep going wrote: »

The killing thing its not going to raise the price of milk one iota

Will it not raise the earnings to farmers?
My fear is that in this wonderfully socialist country, who pays?

This crap is ongoing since last year and I haven't seen a bob...I certainly don't want to fund this.

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

Will it not raise the earnings to farmers?
My fear is that in this wonderfully socialist country, who pays?

This crap is ongoing since last year and I haven't seen a bob...I certainly don't want to fund this.

Coveney was talking yesterday, the 10c will not be funded by Brussels. It's down to individual states or individual milk purchasers. The worry in a country like France is that there would be a tax put on an individuals over production to pay the 10c. If this scheme is applied in certain Memeber states and not others, I would imagine that it will just push milk production to countries that don't partake in the scheme.
( maybe that's hogans and Coveneys cunning plan)

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Coveney was talking yesterday, the 10c will not be funded by Brussels. It's down to individual states or individual milk purchasers. The worry in a country like France is that there would be a tax put on an individuals over production to pay the 10c. If this scheme is applied in certain Memeber states and not others, I would imagine that it will just push milk production to countries that don't partake in the scheme.
( maybe that's hogans and Coveneys cunning plan)

+1.
The sum of my concerns.

darragh_haven

Dawggone wrote: »

I was at a cropping event yesterday and there was a nice few sour grapes about that.
Cereals are way worse off atm with 3yrs of crap prices....a few months of poor milk prices and there's a ****storm!

There's a degree of sour grapes here to. There is a strong protection of the dairy industry here. There is no talk of helping the tillage, Beef, poultry etc sectors, but the moment there is a bumpy patch in dairy there is massive coverage.
In Ireland, dairy is still making money, way more than any other sector per/ha. So I don't think it needs any support.
Saying that, I don't hear any dairy men in my area complaining and threatening to pull the plug.

kowtow

Timmaay wrote:

I was having a chat with a neighbour farmer the other day about the outlook and different options, his opinion was that I should always keep in mind the option of drop back to 60 cows, very simple low labour system and get a part time job. This was in the face of me looking at spending another 20/30k with the young farmers grant on slurry storage/cubicles etc. Not actually the worst of options 2bh, especially considering I can get an equally as good (or if the milk price stays the same, a wayyy better) return on investment elsewhere on my 30k . I'll probably stay going as I am, but I'm most certainly alot less tolerate of problem cows now, whereas I was looking at milking 97 this year and 110 next year, I'll probably cull 1/2 the autumn carryovers instead, alongside afew other poor milkers, and end up low 90s and only just tip over the 100 next year.

Painful and frustrating It may be, but that is the market giving you signals and you reading them. All in all it should leave you with a better business down the line.

Intervention, non production subsidy, even SFP all conspire to confuse and delay those signals.

Even a move down to 60 cows - which might seem retrograde - is a plan of sorts. Apart from anything else It might allow a farmer to hold off expansion for a day when land and other inputs properly reflect the price of outputs.

Your post is a good example of open minded good sense.

kowtow

keep going wrote:

The killing thing its not going to raise the price of milk one iota

Presumably it might support the local liquid market in countries where that has a bearing?