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keep going

kowtow wrote: »

Presumably it might support the local liquid market in countries where that has a bearing?

Atthe moment its the yanky tail wagging the dog

mf240

Intervention Imo only slows down any drop in production that might take place and stores up product which hits the market at a later date and then slows any subsequent recovery.

Its a bit like pulling of a plaster slowly.

freedominacup

keep going wrote: »

The killing thing its not going to raise the price of milk one iota

Hard to know. I was talking to a sales and marketing director of a major Irish food group last week. He'd just done a deal for small margin on a fairly high value product. Partly trying to develop a new overseas customer but also to take a days production of this product from one of their plants off the domestic market. If it's not there it can't be used by major buyers to drive down prices by playing different producers against each other. Same thing applies here. If it's not there it can't inluence the market negatively.

kevthegaff

Have a few high scc calved 4 weeks ago, do lads bring them to the mart?

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Have a few high scc calved 4 weeks ago, do lads bring them to the mart?

Keep em and let them rear a few calves Kev

trixi2011

Anyone have ai codes for really easy calving hereford ?

keep going

kevthegaff wrote: »

Have a few high scc calved 4 weeks ago, do lads bring them to the mart?

Throw a pair of bull calves under and stick on dd,1200 at least depending on the calves

Milked out

trixi2011 wrote: »

Anyone have ai codes for really easy calving hereford ?

KZP with dovea is at 2.2% calving difficulty at 98% reliability. Never used him just going off catalogue. Hard to beat aa kya for ease of calving. Only ai Hereford I've used here is gpz but he would be for cows only not sure of his figures

trixi2011

Milked out wrote: »

KZP with dovea is at 2.2% calving difficulty at 98% reliability. Never used him just going off catalogue. Hard to beat aa kya for ease of calving. Only ai Hereford I've used here is gpz but he would be for cows only not sure of his figures

Cheers for that il look them up. Had a 63kg herford calf this morning need to do a bit homework on any we use next year. Aa are a bit of a disaster when calving alot of xbreed cows each day heifers always seem to be mistaken for xbreeds

Milked out

trixi2011 wrote: »

Cheers for that il look them up. Had a 63kg herford calf this morning need to do a bit homework on any we use next year. Aa are a bit of a disaster when calving alot of xbreed cows each day heifers always seem to be mistaken for xbreeds

You could check progressive genetics online catalogue as well it's generally up to date and would have beef sires on it

Midfield9

FRZ. Only have 3 so far. All handy sized calves.

alps

jaymla627 wrote: »

I reckon that's geared towards countries like France that are opting to pay out 10c/l per litre on every litre less a farmer produces in 2016 compared to 2015, covneys already came out and said Ireland won't be implementing that option.
it's funny a caretaker Ag minister has such unilateral powers as to decide this on his own, spun some line of collectively how all irish dairy farmers are on the expansion bandwagon and wouldn't stand for having to cut supply, I'm sure their a nice % that would indeed like to take up something like above

There is absolutely no chance that french farmers are going to accept a system where they curtail their output and the Irish ruin it all by driving on regardless. If the commission allow such a thing to happen all I can say is that there will be no chance of irish product making its way down french motorways this summer..

Dawggone

alps wrote: »

There is absolutely no chance that french farmers are going to accept a system where they curtail their output and the Irish ruin it all by driving on regardless. If the commission allow such a thing to happen all I can say is that there will be no chance of irish product making its way down french motorways this summer..

+1.
Funny it's the Irish trucks, full of Spanish fish that were caught in Irish waters and heading for Spain, that would bear the brunt. Funny old world we live in.


As an aside I bought a bull from an Irish lad yesterday that's only 22yrs old and he was telling me about all the young farmer grants that he's entitled to...€25k hello money + 7yrs interest free loan to buy land + full dole for his first year +if in dairy 36cpl guaranteed for 5yrs....+ loads more....


Good to see my money is well spent...

Dawggone

Any ideas on grass silage preservatives?

I'm planning on cutting some silage next week that's very rich and about 90% clover. The harvester won't allow Formic or Sulphuric, so what's the next best thing?

alps

Dawggone wrote: »

Any ideas on grass silage preservatives?

I'm planning on cutting some silage next week that's very rich and about 90% clover. The harvester won't allow Formic or Sulphuric, so what's the next best thing?

Is this a repost?

Milked out

Dawggone wrote: »

Any ideas on grass silage preservatives?

I'm planning on cutting some silage next week that's very rich and about 90% clover. The harvester won't allow Formic or Sulphuric, so what's the next best thing?

Haven't used preservatives in a few years. When we did it was a product called silasave it came in powder or granule form not too sure. I'll look it up later see what it actually was. Dunno if it made much difference to our crop but your stuff would obviously be a different kettle of fish altogether

yosemitesam1

Dawggone wrote: »

Any ideas on grass silage preservatives?

I'm planning on cutting some silage next week that's very rich and about 90% clover. The harvester won't allow Formic or Sulphuric, so what's the next best thing?

Molasses?? Don't think an inoculant would do much without sugar

Timmaay

These two very exposed paddocks have done rubbish the last few weeks, and the grass gone all yellow. Haven't been grazed this year yet. Bag/acre of urea about 2wks ago. Got lime last autumn also. Any ideas what they might be lacking in?

Paddocks each side of them are grand and green.

Milked out

Timmaay wrote: »

These two very exposed paddocks have done rubbish the last few weeks, and the grass gone all yellow. Haven't been grazed this year yet. Bag/acre of urea about 2wks ago. Got lime last autumn also. Any ideas what they might be lacking in?

Paddocks each side of them are grand and green.

Any slurry got? Advisor here thinks sometimes that colour in plant can indicate too much sodium in soil. They are dry paddocks I assume?

Timmaay

Milked out wrote: »

Any slurry got? Advisor here thinks sometimes that colour in plant can indicate too much sodium in soil. They are dry paddocks I assume?

Dung back end last year. They are on a bloody sandbank and parts burn up at the hint of a drought, but defo not able to graze them early, real sticky clay topsoil. I tried to spread slurry on them last March and the tractor wouldn't go up the hills, pure disaster.

Dawggone

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Molasses?? Don't think an inoculant would do much without sugar

Good point. I'll check out about molasses.

Milked out

Timmaay wrote: »

Dung back end last year. They are on a bloody sandbank and parts burn up at the hint of a drought, but defo not able to graze them early, real sticky clay topsoil. I tried to spread slurry on them last March and the tractor wouldn't go up the hills, pure disaster.

Wet ground here is gone that colour but no fert on it yet. Have u soil tests from that plot? Could be lacking in p and k or its availability with the clay.

yosemitesam1

Timmaay wrote: »

These two very exposed paddocks have done rubbish the last few weeks, and the grass gone all yellow. Haven't been grazed this year yet. Bag/acre of urea about 2wks ago. Got lime last autumn also. Any ideas what they might be lacking in?

Paddocks each side of them are grand and green.

Is its growth rates usually as good as other paddocks later on in spring/summer?
A cold wet soil won't be as active cycling nutrients

milkprofit

alps wrote: »

Is this a repost?

Neighbour done that last had serious problem with taint in milk cost him a tanker of milk
It turned into alcohol in cows
Be carefull

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

Any ideas on grass silage preservatives?

I'm planning on cutting some silage next week that's very rich and about 90% clover. The harvester won't allow Formic or Sulphuric, so what's the next best thing?

Not being smart dawg but what do you want it to do. Formic or sulphuric are as you said preservatives and act in that manner.

Molasses is feed for the bacteria normally present which are responsible for the ensiling process. From memory some sort of a lactic acid producing bacteria. They work on the sugars in the grass and the molasses is just readily available sugar. Think of it as 10-10-20 down the spout.

Then there's a range of enzymes and basically freeze dried bacteria which make all sorts of interesting claims about what they can do. I'm not sure how much of what enzymes are in many of these bags but in the bacterial types it's usually lactobacillus plantarum. I became very sceptical about the bacterial ones but my mind was changed when talking to a guy I knew working in a cheese plant about what happened to tablets who were over the processors antibiotic limit but under the eu regs. Ah shur ya just fire in another couple of bags of "starter" and see what happens was the answer. Starter being freeze dried bacteria.

If the sun is out and the breeze is blowing and temps are mild ie sugars are high it's doubtful you'll get your money back. If conditions aren't right you might see a return. However with your weather patterns you can't be ever more than a day or two from good conditions atm. You'd probably get a better return by waiting a day or two.

p.s. it'd amaze you how far the lad with the ah shur comment has gone in the intervening years.

Milked out

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yu17-cDI7ec&feature=youtu.be
This lad talks a bit of sense

einn32

Milked out wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yu17-cDI7ec&feature=youtu.be
This lad talks a bit of sense

I visited a guy milking over 200 cows in south east Victoria a month back. He just bought land and was looking to push to 300 eventually. He made the same point about high leverage. He said it gets him up in the mornings! It's a different way of looking at things.

jack o shea

Many lads leaving the cows out at night? Cold out tonight, how ab out weanlings,was going to let some out tomorrow but it's to be colder tomorrow night,is it risky?

whelan2

jack o shea wrote: »

Many lads leaving the cows out at night? Cold out tonight, how ab out weanlings,was going to let some out tomorrow but it's to be colder tomorrow night,is it risky?

Had a farmer ring me late last night for a bottle of magnesium. He's a suckler farmer

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

Not being smart dawg but what do you want it to do. Formic or sulphuric are as you said preservatives and act in that manner.

Molasses is feed for the bacteria normally present which are responsible for the ensiling process. From memory some sort of a lactic acid producing bacteria. They work on the sugars in the grass and the molasses is just readily available sugar. Think of it as 10-10-20 down the spout.

Then there's a range of enzymes and basically freeze dried bacteria which make all sorts of interesting claims about what they can do. I'm not sure how much of what enzymes are in many of these bags but in the bacterial types it's usually lactobacillus plantarum. I became very sceptical about the bacterial ones but my mind was changed when talking to a guy I knew working in a cheese plant about what happened to tablets who were over the processors antibiotic limit but under the eu regs. Ah shur ya just fire in another couple of bags of "starter" and see what happens was the answer. Starter being freeze dried bacteria.

If the sun is out and the breeze is blowing and temps are mild ie sugars are high it's doubtful you'll get your money back. If conditions aren't right you might see a return. However with your weather patterns you can't be ever more than a day or two from good conditions atm. You'd probably get a better return by waiting a day or two.

p.s. it'd amaze you how far the lad with the ah shur comment has gone in the intervening years.

The crop was planted as pure crimson clover but it now has about 15 or 20% wild ryegrass. It should test, if properly conserved, at around 22 - 24% protein. From experience this is almost impossible to conserve...the first time I pitted this it ended up in the dung heap.

I tried to source some molasses yesterday and it's expensive, so I'm thinking on making wraps now and using lots of plastic. Getting a good wilt would be easy if I could ted it out, but that's not possible with clover as the leaves would be lost. Maybe just leave it for an extra or two after cutting?




'10-10-20 down the spout'...showing your age there Free!