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browned

frazzledhome wrote: »

Anyone going to IGA conference Thurs in Limerick

Went the last couple of years but giving it a skip this year.

Dawggone

Markcheese wrote: »

Dont know about france but here some products you can use - some you cant - (vaccines no prob ) - but not routinely- so a oneoff pneumonia problem in calves - treat them quick. An annual problem and the organic body'll want to know why - and what youre changing...
Two biggest problems for most irish dairy farmers are housing and early spring grass growth ...

I would have no change as regards antibiotics whatsoever, including feeding ctc powder to calves. Just double the withdrawal times.
The major stumbling block with me would be that I would have to commit to 15yrs of a sizable block of land in organic production. Two issues with that :
1. I would instantly devalue the dairy block by circa 30% ...
2. I don't love dairy so much that I would knowingly devalue an asset for half a generation, just to be more profitable. Nah.

Dawggone

Markcheese wrote: »

In the church of greenies - that'd be a fundamentalist- expect geurilla gardening and a split soon

Guerrillas, where??



Better hide the diet feeder...

Dawggone

Does anyone here know of somebody that uses Parthenais Bulls on dairy cows?
Feedback appreciated.

darragh_haven

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Don't think I'll make the trek from here to limerick for it, although I have no excuse not too with cows dry at the moment. There are a few speakers I wouldn't mind hearing there. Too me it's a bit low key this yr, haven't heard much about it, but maybe it's me who's been switched off

If there was a motorway between cork and limerick I'd go. But it's just a hard slog up there as it is and I'm on the road too much as it is. (As I type this from the airport)

mahoney_j

Just soil sampled the farm this am and as doing it I thought ,will my results back me flawed due to all rain over last few weeks ??.whats people's opinions on this

Deepsouthwest

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just soil sampled the farm this am and as doing it I thought ,will my results back me flawed due to all rain over last few weeks ??.whats people's opinions on this

I'd be a lot a lot more concerned if I took my samples before now. Will prob give a lot more accurate picture than if u did it 6/8 wks ago. If a lot of the p+k's have been leached from the ground, it's not like they're gonna reappear when it dries up!

Greengrass1

DG did a morning this morning with BOI on expansion and then local accountant who'd be one if best in country did s piece on tax implications around expansion and forming limited companies etc. Very interesting and got some insight how the best if the banks and accountants clients operate there business.


I know Clyde mentioned a few wks ago about if you bought milk quota pre 2000 it can be used to offset any capItalian gain's accrued this yr, but any entitlements bought from this yr back can also be used to offset capital gains.

darragh_haven

Greengrass1 wrote: »

DG did a morning this morning with BOI on expansion and then local accountant who'd be one if best in country did s piece on tax implications around expansion and forming limited companies etc. Very interesting and got some insight how the best if the banks and accountants clients operate there business.

Our local accountant is one of the best in the country...... how did you grade yours.

BTW the craftiest accountants wouldn't bother their hole with us tbf

Greengrass1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Our local accountant is one of the best in the country...... how did you grade yours.

Over 60% business is farmers and farmers travelling 100 miles to him.

frazzledhome

darragh_haven wrote: »

If there was a motorway between cork and limerick I'd go. But it's just a hard slog up there as it is and I'm on the road too much as it is. (As I type this from the airport)

It's sold out as of yesterday. They must be doing something right

darragh_haven

frazzledhome wrote: »

It's sold out as of yesterday. They must be doing something right

Shur I went last year and a fella sickened me with drink.

But I do think it's probably the best one to go to (as conferences go)

Markcheese

kowtow wrote:

Iirc cubicles were possible though straw preferred? And presumably organic straw...

kowtow wrote:

How does the housing issue work for organic dairy?

kowtow wrote:

Was there a maximum housing time and/or max stocking rate?

All my info may be a bit out of date but... they prefer loose housing but cubicles ok as long as they're big enough -lunge room ect and more cubicles than animals---
Dont think there's a max housing time
-but grazing conditions probably define...
Again not sure about stocking rates , doubt it'd be an issue in an irish grazed grass situation.(and cost of organic ration here).. but with DGs maize and lucerne system indoors who knows ( doubt it'd be allowed here full time...
Hard to get organic straw...

frazzledhome

darragh_haven wrote: »

Shur I went last year and a fella sickened me with drink.

But I do think it's probably the best one to go to (as conferences go)

Teagasc one in KK really stepped up this year. 2 day event with breakout sessions both afternoons. The overnight wasn't bad either

frazzledhome

darragh_haven wrote: »

Shur I went last year and a fella sickened me with drink.

But I do think it's probably the best one to go to (as conferences go)

Sickened you, now I'd like to meet that guy

Deepsouthwest

darragh_haven wrote: »

Shur I went last year and a fella sickened me with drink.

But I do think it's probably the best one to go to (as conferences go)

I met a similar type at the Teagasc conf. in Kk before Christmas, when I was going to bed sometime after 4am, he was still going strong!

frazzledhome

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I met a similar type at the Teagasc conf. in Kk before Christmas, when I was going to bed sometime after 4am, he was still going strong!

Id say he's a winter milker, the bastard

dh1985

Dawggone wrote: »

Does anyone here know of somebody that uses Parthenais Bulls on dairy cows?
Feedback appreciated.

Legwax that does be on here was using parthenaise as far as I recall

Greengrass1

One thing the agri advisor from BOI said waa he has a few farmers now. Doing a budget at the start if the yr, they work out what they will spend for the yr and get a loan for it at start if the yr. Be it 100k or what ever. And then pay it off each month.

Anyone doing that?

keep going

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just soil sampled the farm this am and as doing it I thought ,will my results back me flawed due to all rain over last few weeks ??.whats people's opinions on this

i think they should still be accurate but might be a little on the low side.related but different lime spread in november should be well washed in now if not gone.what do ye reckon with urea.thinking of going compound anyway but must do a bit of pricing anyway

pedigree 6

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Over 60% business is farmers and farmers travelling 100 miles to him.

Initials ms?

Greengrass1

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Initials ms?

Tony ryan

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

One thing the agri advisor from BOI said waa he has a few farmers now. Doing a budget at the start if the yr, they work out what they will spend for the yr and get a loan for it at start if the yr. Be it 100k or what ever. And then pay it off each month.

Anyone doing that?

I don't use that facility but it's a much better than merchant credit.

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

One thing the agri advisor from BOI said waa he has a few farmers now. Doing a budget at the start if the yr, they work out what they will spend for the yr and get a loan for it at start if the yr. Be it 100k or what ever. And then pay it off each month.

Anyone doing that?

Are you already with bank of ireland?

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

I don't use that facility but it's a much better than merchant credit.

I didn't get to ask him the logic behind it but myself and dad talking about it on the way home. You could got to merchants in jan and buy the yrs supply of fert at the best price and then go to some meal rep and say you'll be using "X" amount of meal this yr and pay up front for the best price

pedigree 6

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Tony ryan

Yea I was at AIB thing there before Christmas and I think it was Michael who was speaking at it who works for tony and he sounded very good.

pedigree 6

I'm after getting 5 text messages just now from teagasc to go to some calf rearing thing. I hope there'll be plenty of sandwiches.:p
(Paid for by teagasc that is).

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I didn't get to ask him the logic behind it but myself and dad talking about it on the way home. You could got to merchants in jan and buy the yrs supply of fert at the best price and then go to some meal rep and say you'll be using "X" amount of meal this yr and pay up front for the best price

You will have the funds in place to buy when you want for cash price. Of course you would be advised to negotiate a delayed/stage payment on such purchases to reduce interest on facility.

mahoney_j

keep going wrote: »

i think they should still be accurate but might be a little on the low side.related but different lime spread in november should be well washed in now if not gone.what do ye reckon with urea.thinking of going compound anyway but must do a bit of pricing anyway

Bag of urea once soil temps right in February ,2 * 18 6 12 in March .fair variation in prices beteween suppliers but in general well back

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

Bag of urea once soil temps right in February ,2 * 18 6 12 in March .fair variation in prices beteween suppliers but in general well back

Did soil samples today myself- 35 in total and was wondering if I was just wasting money