Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Greengrass1

trixi2011 wrote: »

defiantly would be better you thinking of buying

If that price is right inc vat it's a bargin

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

If that price is right inc vat it's a bargin

its only a bargain if you really need it though;)

atlantic mist

lost in liters with tih but its hard to boost the milk in friesian without crossing a holstein back in at some stage, tih boosted our protein across the board and improved fertility, perfectly square udders, they are avg 480kg over their lifetime on 1.2t concentrates

Buford T. Justice XIX

California is about to adopt tougher new rules on farm use of antibiotics.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-livestock-antibiotics-idUSKCN0S40YR20151010#SB0IZpZQotYO5Z2G.97

Funnily, I thought US rules would only be a small bit more relaxed than here rather than years behind.

freedominacup

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

California is about to adopt tougher new rules on farm use of antibiotics.

http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/research/title_480545_en.html

Funnily, I thought US rules would only be a small bit more relaxed than here rather than years behind.

Interesting link sheriff but not the one you intended I think.

Buford T. Justice XIX

freedominacup wrote: »

Interesting link sheriff but not the one you intended I think.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-livestock-antibiotics-idUSKCN0S40YR20151010#SB0IZpZQotYO5Z2G.97

Sorted. Thanks:)

alps

Been trying to get dg to take a trip to this place...I find It so interesting. .

900 miles from the mainland, no ferries, relying on general freight and container boats and can still get such an array of fresh produce to the market on the mainland.

Divine climate of course..


https://vimeo.com/18474310

Dawggone

Milk tank driver hands me a letter this morning and asks me to sign for it (?).

Anyhow it's a major push from the Dept. and the Coop to turn to organic production.
Dept. will give €15k pa and the Coop will match it, for the three years of changeover.
For 2016 I would get a minimum 33cpl base price and 35cpl minimum for final two years of changeover.
Organic milk is 40cpl atm...

Letter goes on to say that the Coop is having problems sourcing organic milk etc.

I know several organic producers and they say that the only animal health changes are the doubling of withdrawal times.

I can easily grow 20 to 22 ton dm of maize per ha. organically.
Irrigated Lucerne would easily produce 16 to 18 ton dm organically.
To maximize the potential of these forages it would (ironically!) mean that cows would be housed ayr....
This would result in a pretty decent rise in production...bit funny that.

Small bonus also would be that beef sales would be organic.

Opinions appreciated ( including the low-cost extremists!!).

whelan2

Does anyone use the descaler from magenta ? Its 46 euro for 20 litres , currently using acidbrite from CAHL and its 86 euro for 20 litres, some difference in price

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

Milk tank driver hands me a letter this morning and asks me to sign for it (?).

Anyhow it's a major push from the Dept. and the Coop to turn to organic production.
Dept. will give €15k pa and the Coop will match it, for the three years of changeover.
For 2016 I would get a minimum 33cpl base price and 35cpl minimum for final two years of changeover.
Organic milk is 40cpl atm...

Letter goes on to say that the Coop is having problems sourcing organic milk etc.

I know several organic producers and they say that the only animal health changes are the doubling of withdrawal times.

I can easily grow 20 to 22 ton dm of maize per ha. organically.
Irrigated Lucerne would easily produce 16 to 18 ton dm organically.
To maximize the potential of these forages it would (ironically!) mean that cows would be housed ayr....
This would result in a pretty decent rise in production...bit funny that.

Small bonus also would be that beef sales would be organic.

Opinions appreciated ( including the low-cost extremists!!).

Why are they having such trouble sourcing organic producures if the deal is that good?
What happens after the 3 yrs woukd be my question, surely farmers would be snapping that offer up

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

Milk tank driver hands me a letter this morning and asks me to sign for it (?).

Anyhow it's a major push from the Dept. and the Coop to turn to organic production.
Dept. will give €15k pa and the Coop will match it, for the three years of changeover.
For 2016 I would get a minimum 33cpl base price and 35cpl minimum for final two years of changeover.
Organic milk is 40cpl atm...

Letter goes on to say that the Coop is having problems sourcing organic milk etc.

I know several organic producers and they say that the only animal health changes are the doubling of withdrawal times.

I can easily grow 20 to 22 ton dm of maize per ha. organically.
Irrigated Lucerne would easily produce 16 to 18 ton dm organically.
To maximize the potential of these forages it would (ironically!) mean that cows would be housed ayr....
This would result in a pretty decent rise in production...bit funny that.

Small bonus also would be that beef sales would be organic.

Opinions appreciated ( including the low-cost extremists!!).

Is that 25% differential between organic and conventional typical? Based on your production costs for maize it's probably the way to go if so. You'd probably grow whatever grass you could use with a bit of slurry. In your case with a high level of clover in the award.

pedigree 6

alps wrote: »

Been trying to get dg to take a trip to this place...I find It so interesting. .

900 miles from the mainland, no ferries, relying on general freight and container boats and can still get such an array of fresh produce to the market on the mainland.

Divine climate of course..


https://vimeo.com/18474310

Plus the dairy cows would be the same as ours.
A well known cattle dealer around here exported a boat load of incalf heifers to the azores. He bought the heifers here hired a ship to bring them there from Waterford port and bought the fodder for the trip as well. He filled the boat and set sail, when they arrived the f##kers renaiged on the deal and wouldn't pay for the heifers. Between the ship costs and fodder running out he had to let them off the ship. He tried to get help from the portugese government and the irish embassy but he got nowhere. It nearly finished him for good.:(

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Why are they having such trouble sourcing organic producures if the deal is that good?
What happens after the 3 yrs woukd be my question, surely farmers would be snapping that offer up

There are downsides...an organic milking cow (if you can source them) costs circa €2.5k. Organic grain maize is €600/ton and organic soya beans are €1100/ton.

Plus I've gone down the road of producing no replacements...


Edit.
After three years you're on your own as regards a guaranteed milk base price. Seeing that milk is fairly cheap atm and the organic is still 40cpl is a little encouraging.

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

Is that 25% differential between organic and conventional typical? Based on your production costs for maize it's probably the way to go if so. You'd probably grow whatever grass you could use with a bit of slurry. In your case with a high level of clover in the award.

Grazing ground outside of milk platform is almost organic with me now. Use a lot of clovers in the sward so as to rob the nitrate allowance for the hungrier cereal crops like milling wheats.
Using a base of maize and lucerne grazed grass would be of no benefit other than a bit of exercise for the animal.

stretch film

whelan2 wrote: »

Does anyone use the descaler from magenta ? Its 46 euro for 20 litres , currently using acidbrite from CAHL and its 86 euro for 20 litres, some difference in price

Yes , stocked up b4 year end . Lower vol required for routine descale than a previous product I used. 5ml /l of wash water.
Nitric /phosphoric combo.
Water is high in minerals here so thermodurics can be tricky but no issues with this product.
Was being charged similarly as you so its a nice saving .
Bought some of their caustic also. Couldn't get 20 buckets for anything less than € 48 elsewhere so can buy cheaper and have a fresher product with buyrite .

I know they were rubbished on here about being a true "purchasing group" but in fairness I find you'll cover the sub very quickly and imo they are rarely beaten on cubicle lime,dosing ,vaccines , fencing stakes .They were good on fert when they did it too.

Deepsouthwest

Dawggone wrote: »

Milk tank driver hands me a letter this morning and asks me to sign for it (?).

Anyhow it's a major push from the Dept. and the Coop to turn to organic production.
Dept. will give €15k pa and the Coop will match it, for the three years of changeover.
For 2016 I would get a minimum 33cpl base price and 35cpl minimum for final two years of changeover.
Organic milk is 40cpl atm...

Letter goes on to say that the Coop is having problems sourcing organic milk etc.

I know several organic producers and they say that the only animal health changes are the doubling of withdrawal times.

I can easily grow 20 to 22 ton dm of maize per ha. organically.
Irrigated Lucerne would easily produce 16 to 18 ton dm organically.
To maximize the potential of these forages it would (ironically!) mean that cows would be housed ayr....
This would result in a pretty decent rise in production...bit funny that.

Small bonus also would be that beef sales would be organic.

Opinions appreciated ( including the low-cost extremists!!).

I know it's a non runner here because of our reliance(over reliance!) on bag fert. €30k/yr dosent seem an awful lot for an operation of ur size, that's even factoring in the extra 5/7c/l for organic milk. Is there a little room to massage ur paperwork with the different enterprises uve got going on there?
I admire ur coops improvisation of using the lorry driver to thrash out the deal with u while the lorry's pumping out the milk. Good use of resources!

Dawggone

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I know it's a non runner here because of our reliance(over reliance!) on bag fert. €30k/yr dosent seem an awful lot for an operation of ur size, that's even factoring in the extra 5/7c/l for organic milk. Is there a little room to massage ur paperwork with the different enterprises uve got going on there?
I admire ur coops improvisation of using the lorry driver to thrash out the deal with u while the lorry's pumping out the milk. Good use of resources!

Lol. There is so much junk mail from the Coop, I suppose they wanted to make sure that we didn't bin the letter!
The €30k is not to be sneezed at either when I'm on 2cpl above CoP...
The actual dairy side is no real bother to changeover as the doubling of withdrawal periods is only a tiny encumbrance. It's the change of status of the tillage is where the real hassle is.

blackdog1

Dawggone wrote: »

Lol. There is so much junk mail from the Coop, I suppose they wanted to make sure that we didn't bin the letter!
The €30k is not to be sneezed at either when I'm on 2cpl above CoP...
The actual dairy side is no real bother to changeover as the doubling of withdrawal periods is only a tiny encumbrance. It's the change of status of the tillage is where the real hassle is.

Surely you wouldnt have to change all the tillage to organic? Just the fields that would be supplying the dairy side with feed.

Dawggone

blackdog1 wrote: »

Surely you wouldnt have to change all the tillage to organic? Just the fields that would be supplying the dairy side with feed.

Wouldn't be too easy as I farm as a company.
The dairy side would have to be split into a seperate company and, I suppose, the land that would be needed for that to go with that company.
Anyone fancy a JV?

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Wouldn't be too easy as I farm as a company.
The dairy side would have to be split into a seperate company and, I suppose, the land that would be needed for that to go with that company.
Anyone fancy a JV?

You can use my name in exchange for the 30 k

atlantic mist

organic using antibiotics is that correct, thought the herd had to be treated without, homeopathic medicine

could you use the chicken manure on organic ground?

whelan2

Had to get vet out this evening. Cow with ecoli mastitis. She had 16 litres this morning. Was last in this evening. Not eating. No milk. Will have to strip her during the night

Farfield

Did your vet pump couple gallons water and electrolytes/energy drink into your cow with E. coli? I lost several cows over years to E. coli, but a local lad told me to do this daily and the last 2 cows I had with E. coli survived no problem( along with antibiotics etc off course). My own vets used to never do it, but they do now.
It seems to help stop the poison getting into blood stream some how.

whelan2

He gave her a drip. When we let her out of the crush she went straight to the drinker. Got metacam and noroclav too

pedigree 6

Had a cow with bad mastitis here. Called the vet and I was giving up on her.
The vet pumped luke warm water ( I think he may have put something in water to treat it) into her vein as the poison was in her blood. Along with antibiotics injected.
He pumped it in with a 5 litre hand pump.
But she made a complete recovery.

I never saw it done before.

howdee

Keeping ecoli cases drawn out from the infected quarter is the most important imo. The vet usually gives an injection to counter the poison in the bloodstream which needs to be given asap. The time to treat ecoli is very short.

Farfield

I am telling you hydration with loads Luke warm water and thiose sachets in E. coli is so critical.
Last year when I had my last case the vet called and gave strong antibiotics and milked her out, I mentioned pumping energy drink into her and he said he never heard tell of that, but he did it every day for 3 days at my request and she made a full recovery and she was one of my best cows. He told me he does it now on all E. coli cases. The old fellas are never far wrong in their advice and it's thanks to an old neighbour that I owe for saving my last 2 cases.

Markcheese

atlantic mist wrote:

organic using antibiotics is that correct, thought the herd had to be treated without, homeopathic medicine

If the animal is ill - you treat - gets expensive though cos 2 or ,3 courses and the animal is no longer organic...

kowtow

Dawggone wrote:

Opinions appreciated ( including the low-cost extremists!!).

What's the demand profile for organics in mainland Europe? Growing as liquid, as cheese?

mf240

Pumping the fluid into their stomach helps wash the poisin out of their system. The kidneys remove poison from the blood but the more water an animal takes in the better they can work. Did the doctor never tell ya to rest and drink plenty of fluids.

If you can spot them in time youd often get away with just anti biotics.

Nasty bastard of a yoke . Could lose a cow with it handy enough.