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Ireland u20 2016 6Nations/Junior World Cup

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    #362
    ThisRegard
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    specttator wrote: »
    Tough having to listen to such a s**te commentary

    Dunno what's worse, the put you to sleep commentary, or that ****er in the ground with the poxy squeaky horn thing.


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    #363
    jdbarry
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    Who's the co-commentater lads?


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    #364
    Buer
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    jdbarry wrote:
    Who's the co-commentater lads?

    Mike Prendergast


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    #365
    ArmchairQB
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    jdbarry wrote: »
    Who's the co-commentater lads?

    Mike Prendergast ex Munster now coaching at Grenoble
    Think this is 5th loss in a row for Carolan and co.


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    #366
    Blackclaret
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    Thought Ryan played well last week but he's everywhere tonight, what a superb young player.


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    #367
    funtime93
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    Blackclaret wrote: »
    Thought Ryan played well last week but he's everywhere tonight, what a superb young player.
    By far the best Ireland player in the first two matches. Some of the basic skills were shocking. Lineout, handling errors, kicks out on the full, missed touch from penalties. Just poor overall. Not really impressed by carolan over the last year and a bit .


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    #368
    gmurphy70
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    Our front row is shocking in both of the games so far. Hooker is shocking


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    #369
    rughug
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    gmurphy70 wrote: »
    Our front row is shocking in both of the games so far. Hooker is shocking

    And surely there are better outhalves than Mc Phillips out there .


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    #370
    The Lost Sheep
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    gmurphy70 wrote: »
    Our front row is shocking in both of the games so far. Hooker is shocking
    Wouldn't say shocking. They've simply been over powered. Who are alternatives?
    rughug wrote: »
    And surely there are better outhalves than Mc Phillips out there.
    Is there? There's plenty whove played a lot of their rugby as 10s in the squad so not as if the coaches don't have plenty of options. Who do you think should be 10?


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    #371
    ArmchairQB
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Wouldn't say shocking. They've simply been over powered. Who are alternatives?

    Is there? There's plenty whove played a lot of their rugby as 10s in the squad so not as if the coaches don't have plenty of options. Who do you think should be 10?

    Good forwards in the pack that are poorly coached in my opinion, some also look grossly unfit and not prepared for this level. Scrum coaching is huge problem throughout the country. Plenty of lads with certificates but not enough practical experience or competence to make a difference and improve players. Players such as Conor OBrien more suited to centre, not a vintage season but we have had worse teams that performed better


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    #372
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    Can I just remind people that these lads aren't out of their teens yet. Some of the criticism on here is really unnecessary. These guys very much still fall into the category of "encourage them first".

    Singling someone out as being "shocking" isn't constructive or helpful. I'd imagine given the age profile that there are plenty of them reading on here. I've been in their shoes and no one at that age needs to be told by anyone bar their coach how they played, they know themselves.


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    #373
    ArmchairQB
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can I just remind people that these lads aren't out of their teens yet. Some of the criticism on here is really unnecessary. These guys very much still fall into the category of "encourage them first".

    Singling someone out as being "shocking" isn't constructive or helpful. I'd imagine given the age profile that there are plenty of them reading on here. I've been in their shoes and no one at that age needs to be told by anyone bar their coach how they played, they know themselves.

    Nobody that puts on an Irish shirt is beyond criticism or indeed praise but anybody making it personal is out of order. The only professionals involved are the coaches and they are the ones I direct my criticism towards.


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    #374
    rughug
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Wouldn't say shocking. They've simply been over powered. Who are alternatives?

    Is there? There's plenty whove played a lot of their rugby as 10s in the squad so not as if the coaches don't have plenty of options. Who do you think should be 10?

    Worth looking at Jimmy O Brien as a 10 but he isn't a place kicker but he is more creative than the current occupant. Also the UCD 10 , captain of Roscrea last year Tim Foley . Very good kicker and can pass off both sides. Can cover 12 and is a big physical presence. They will more than likely go with Connon now v England though as he will be playing on his " home " pitch.
    Accept Johnson is injured but think he is possibly over rated.


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    #375
    The Lost Sheep
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    rughug wrote: »
    Worth looking at Jimmy O Brien as a 10 but he isn't a place kicker but he is more creative than the current occupant. Also the UCD 10, captain of Roscrea last year Tim Foley. Very good kicker and can pass off both sides. Can cover 12 and is a big physical presence. They will more than likely go with Connon now v England though as he will be playing on his "home" pitch.
    Accept Johnson is injured but think he is possibly over rated.
    Tim Foley is only playing 20s with UCD. Most of the competition for 10 are playing higher levels of rugby...
    Johnson isn't really overrated. Plenty of others in the squad will be overrated much the same as him.... Johnson showed ability to be thrown into pro pre season game. Not many others have done that....


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    #376
    rughug
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Tim Foley is only playing 20s with UCD. Most of the competition for 10 are playing higher levels of rugby...
    Johnson isn't really overrated. Plenty of others in the squad will be overrated much the same as him.... Johnson showed ability to be thrown into pro pre season game. Not many others have done that....
    That's probably more of a reflection of where Munster are at , at the moment.


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    #377
    The Lost Sheep
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    rughug wrote: »
    That's probably more of a reflection of where Munster are at, at the moment.
    It doesn't really. Johnson had the ability/was seen as capable for playing senior pro rugby which is fairly significant compared to others...

    Hard to see us beating England but Scotland/Italy???


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    #378
    bilston
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    It doesn't really. Johnson had the ability/was seen as capable for playing senior pro rugby which is fairly significant compared to others...

    Hard to see us beating England but Scotland/Italy???

    Did Scotland not duff England by 20 odd points?


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    #379
    Buer
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    James Ryan tackle against France:

    http://www.balls.ie/rugby/watch-you-wont-see-a-better-try-saving-tackle-than-ireland-u20-star-james-ryans-amazing-effort/324382


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    #380
    sfbdqc
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    rughug wrote: »
    Worth looking at Jimmy O Brien as a 10 but he isn't a place kicker but he is more creative than the current occupant. Also the UCD 10 , captain of Roscrea last year Tim Foley . Very good kicker and can pass off both sides. Can cover 12 and is a big physical presence. They will more than likely go with Connon now v England though as he will be playing on his " home " pitch.
    Accept Johnson is injured but think he is possibly over rated.

    Foley didn't even start for Leinster u19.


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    #381
    ArmchairQB
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    sfbdqc wrote: »
    Foley didn't even start for Leinster u19.

    He doesn't stand out for UCD 20s never mind Irish 20s decent player but not international standard


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    #382
    sfbdqc
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    ArmchairQB wrote: »
    He doesn't stand out for UCD 20s never mind Irish 20s decent player but not international standard

    Yeah he probably won't start for Leinster u20 next season either.


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    #383
    sfbdqc
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    Hope to see either Connon or O'Brien in the next game at 10.
    Seen enough of McPhillips.
    Odd that not one of the provinces could develop a decent 10 from this age group.


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    #384
    case885
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    sfbdqc wrote:
    Hope to see either Connon or O'Brien in the next game at 10. Seen enough of McPhillips. Odd that not one of the provinces could develop a decent 10 from this age group.

    In fairness to Johnston hes a good talent, unfortunate to get injured.


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    #385
    sfbdqc
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    case885 wrote: »
    In fairness to Johnston hes a good talent, unfortunate to get injured.

    he is under-19, so not part of this age group.


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    #386
    jdbarry
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    sfbdqc wrote:
    he is under-19, so not part of this age group.

    He's injured


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    #387
    sfbdqc
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    jdbarry wrote: »
    He's injured

    I know, doesn't change the fact that none of the provinces have developed a semi decent outhalf from the 1996 age group.


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    #388
    sfbdqc
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    Team I'd like to see for the next game, assuming all are available:

    1. Andrew Porter
    2. Adam McBurney
    3. Conan O'Donnell
    4. Peter Claffey
    5. James Ryan
    6. Cillian Gallagher
    7. Will Connors
    8. Max Deegan
    9. John Poland
    10. Brett Connon
    11. Hugo Keenan
    12. Jimmy O'Brien
    13. Conor O'Brien
    14. Shane Daly
    15. Jack Power(health?)


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    #389
    RedemptionZ
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    sfbdqc wrote: »
    I know, doesn't change the fact that none of the provinces have developed a semi decent outhalf from the 1996 age group.

    Semi-decent is pretty harsh. They're only U20s. It's a pretty specialised position, very few are ever going to be good enough at OH for international level even at U20s.


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    sfbdqc
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Semi-decent is pretty harsh. They're only U20s. It's a pretty specialised position, very few are ever going to be good enough at OH for international level even at U20s.

    semi decent at this level aka academy worthy.

    3 outhalves last season at that level - Ross Byrne, Joey Carbery & Tomas Quinlan.

    1 outhalf from the 1996 age group will likely make the academy - Andrew MaGrath(Ulster) who didn't even come close to playing for Ireland u20.


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    #391
    rughug
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    sfbdqc wrote: »
    Yeah he probably won't start for Leinster u20 next season either.

    Who will.


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