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Sanctity of Life (Abortion Megathread)

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    #212
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hinault wrote: »
    Planned Parenthood is all about the profit motive.

    Their last set of published accounts show an organisation making net profits $1.2 billion for the year ended 30th June 2013.

    Nearly half of it's annual funding comes from the US taxpayer.

    Planned Parenthood killed 327,166 human lives through abortion in the year 2012.

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/7413/9620/1089/AR-FY13_111213_vF_rev3_ISSUU.pdf
    Really?

    It's a non profit organisation and abortions account for 3% of their total services. You seem to be making them out to be exclusively abortion clinics when in reality they help millions of women every year.


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    #213
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Really?

    Yep, net revenue is net profit.

    You do understand what net profit means? Net profit is the surplus between total income and total expense.

    Planned Parenthood's net profit for the year to 30th June 2013 was $1.2 billion

    I won't waste my time replying to you further in this thread.


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    #214
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Presenting a demand for evidence that you know cannot be presented without committing a crime is an obvious attempt to stick your fingers in your ears and sing 'la-la-la'.

    The evidence is presented and mounting and it's enough to cause a political and social stir in the US, even if our media are intent on downplaying it.

    A major supporter of Planned Parenthood is feeling uneasy-
    Hillary Clinton Calls Planned Parenthood Videos ‘Disturbing’

    the link contains a video where Clinton says the videos are "a smear campaign" and "an attack on womans right to choose."

    The link also says that Clinton "found the graphic video 'disturbing'. " No link to her speech/ interview is provided nor any indication of the content of the video. Is it an undercover interview, an abortion being carried out?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #215
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    Yep, net revenue is net profit.

    You do understand what net profit means? Net profit is the surplus between total income and total expense.

    Planned Parenthood's net profit for the year to 30th June 2013 was $1.2 billion

    I won't waste my time replying to you further in this thread.

    A non-profit organisation is not an organisation that doesn't make profit, it's an organisation which turns it's profits towards its stated goals rather than passing it to shareholders. You seem to be accusing Planned Parenthood of greedily and underhandedly helping people in the precise manner in which they as an organisation were formed to.

    Those cads.


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    #216
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    SW wrote: »
    the link contains a video where Clinton says the videos are "a smear campaign" and "an attack on womans right to choose."

    The link also says that Clinton "found the graphic video 'disturbing'. " No link to her speech/ interview is provided nor any indication of the content of the video. Is it an undercover interview, an abortion being carried out?
    It's very significant that Clinton has hinted at any criticism of Planned Parenthood. She is obviously being advised that the organisation is in serious trouble and that any association with it may be politically dangerous.

    Somebody should tell Enda Kenny.


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    #217
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    It's very significant that Clinton has hinted at any criticism of Planned Parenthood. She is obviously being advised that the organisation is in serious trouble and that any association with it may be politically dangerous.

    Somebody should tell Enda Kenny.

    She is clearly and unequivocally standing by Planned Parenthood in that article.


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    #218
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    It's very significant that Clinton has hinted at any criticism of Planned Parenthood. She is obviously being advised that the organisation is in serious trouble and that any association with it may be politically dangerous.

    Somebody should tell Enda Kenny.
    :confused:

    what criticism? there's none in the link you provided. Have you read an article where she has?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #219
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    SW wrote: »
    :confused:

    what criticism? there's none in the link you provided. Have you read an article where she has?

    The description in the link states that Clinton advocates an investigation in to the practice.

    Of course, Clinton has no principles so what she has to say is essentially waffle.


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    #220
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    The description in the link states that Clinton advocates an investigation in to the practice.

    How is that a criticism? Nobody on either side is saying there shouldn't be an investigation.


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    #221
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,486 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hinault wrote: »
    Yep, net revenue is net profit.

    You do understand what net profit means? Net profit is the surplus between total income and total expense.

    Planned Parenthood's net profit for the year to 30th June 2013 was $1.2 billion

    I won't waste my time replying to you further in this thread.

    You obviously have no clue what "non profit organisation" means.


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    #222
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    The description in the link states that Clinton advocates an investigation in to the practice.

    Of course, Clinton has no principles so what she has to say is essentially waffle.

    Planned Parenthood, in the link Two Sheds provided, also welcome an investigation.

    It still doesn't provide the text (or video) of the criticism that Clinton allegedly made.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #223
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    SW wrote: »
    Planned Parenthood, in the link Two Sheds provided, also welcome an investigation.

    It still doesn't provide the text (or video) of the criticism that Clinton allegedly made.


    ABC's link states that Clinton advocates an investigation in to the practice.

    If you think that the description in the link of what Clinton is alleged to have said is contradicted by the video in the same link, perhaps you should take this up with ABC?

    Clinton says what she's told to say.


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    #224
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    hinault wrote: »
    ABC's link states that Clinton advocates an investigation in to the practice.

    If you think that the description in the link of what Clinton is alleged to have said is contradicted by the video in the same link, perhaps you should take this up with ABC?

    Clinton says what she's told to say.
    Advocating an investigation is not a criticism.


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    #225
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    SW wrote: »
    :confused:

    what criticism? there's none in the link you provided. Have you read an article where she has?
    Don't be naive. Clinton is hedging her support in case it all goes south. Wouldn't anybody?

    She now wants Congress to focus on the entire US abortion industry, in order to take the heat off Planned Parenthood.
    "..this raises not questions about Planned Parenthood so much as it raises questions about the whole process, that is, not just involving Planned Parenthood, but many institutions in our country...if there’s going to be any kind of congressional inquiry, it should look at everything and not just one..”
    Now watch as Planned Parenthood says 'it's not just us wot done it'.


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    #226
    hinault
    Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    And down the rabbit hole we go ...:rolleyes:

    Agreed. Trying his damnedest.


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    #227
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Don't be naive. Clinton is hedging her support in case it all goes south. Wouldn't anybody?

    She now wants Congress to focus on the entire US abortion industry, in order to take the heat off Planned Parenthood.
    Now watch as Planned Parenthood says 'it's not just us wot done it'.

    So that's a no to showing where Clinton criticised Planned Parenthood.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #228
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    SW wrote: »
    So that's a no to showing where Clinton criticised Planned Parenthood.
    Hah! Clinton doesn't speak off the cuff. She hasn't directly criticised Planned Parenthood, but she has withdrawn her unconditional support. Seasoned political observers know what that means - she's concerned at what will come out.

    Her political opponents smell blood and are pushing for answers.
    “I call upon mainstream reporters to ask Hillary Clinton if she supports Planned Parenthood’s sale of body parts in direct violation of federal criminal law,”


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    #229
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Hah! Clinton doesn't speak off the cuff. She hasn't directly criticised Planned Parenthood, but she has withdrawn her unconditional support. Seasoned political observers know what that means - she's concerned at what will come out.
    Thanks for the clarification.
    Her political opponents smell blood and are pushing for answers.
    They want her to answer about supporting something that hasn't been proven to be happening? Would make more sense to wait for an investigation to provide evidence before asking that question.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #230
    PopePalpatine
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    You conveniently left out that you've quoted Ted Cruz, one of the furthest-to-the-right in the running for the Republican nomination.


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    #231
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Hah! Clinton doesn't speak off the cuff. She hasn't directly criticised Planned Parenthood, but she has withdrawn her unconditional support. Seasoned political observers know what that means - she's concerned at what will come out.

    Her political opponents smell blood and are pushing for answers.

    You do realise that you still haven't provided any substantial evidence to support any of this, right? Repeating a claim over and over doesn't make it true.


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    #232
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,254 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Presenting a demand for evidence that you know cannot be presented without committing a crime is an obvious attempt to stick your fingers in your ears and sing 'la-la-la'.

    Crime? What crime are you talking about?


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    #233
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    robdonn wrote: »
    You do realise that you still haven't provided any substantial evidence to support any of this, right? Repeating a claim over and over doesn't make it true.
    Don't be silly. Do you think the multiple investigations are due to 'no evidence'?


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    #234
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Don't be silly. Do you think the multiple investigations are due to 'no evidence'?

    Yes. Incredibly terrible allegations have been very publicly made towards PP, an investigation is a rational course of action.


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    #235
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Don't be silly. Do you think the multiple investigations are due to 'no evidence'?

    If you were publicly accused of a crime you didn't commit would you want there to be an investigation?


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    #236
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Don't be silly. Do you think the multiple investigations are due to 'no evidence'?

    Never hear the phrases 'removed from the suspect list ' or 'falsely accused'?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #237
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    there are nine more sting-operation videos that reveal Planned Parenthood’s operations...
    ..each highlight video released will have the full footage posted on their website without any edits.

    Planned Parenthood has hired a Washington D.C. based crisis management firm to deal with the fallout.

    Nine More Undercover Videos Ready To Drop On Planned Parenthood


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    #238
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Nine More Undercover Videos Ready To Drop On Planned Parenthood
    Is there not enough evidence in the other videos? According to you, there is so why are more videos needed?


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    #239
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    lazygal wrote: »
    Is there not enough evidence in the other videos? According to you, there is so why are more videos needed?
    Apparently, some people are slow to catch on.

    In a country where trading in organs is considered a far worse crime than butchering a live baby, it's necessary to highlight the trading.


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    #240
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Apparently, some people are slow to catch on.

    In a country where trading in organs is considered a far worse crime than butchering a live baby, it's necessary to highlight the trading.
    Which videos show a live baby being butchered?


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    #241
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Two Sheds wrote: »
    Nine More Undercover Videos Ready To Drop On Planned Parenthood

    Any idea why they've decided not to release a video that actually shows illegal tissue sale being discussed yet? Do they even have such a video?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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