UFC 189: Mendes vs. McGregor

razorblunt

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Toney was 42 when he took up Mma, at that stage he was considered a bum in Boxing let alone in a new combat sport. Unfair post Paully.

Comparing boxing to it is pretty silly as well though, in earlier seasons of The Ultimate Fighter they had Golden Glove boxers who within seconds of their fights were taken down and destroyed. Yes they'd do well on their feet but if an MMA fighter wants it to go to the mat that's where it's going to go.

Saipanne

McGregor

razorblunt wrote: »

Comparing boxing to it is pretty silly as well though, in earlier seasons of The Ultimate Fighter they had Golden Glove boxers who within seconds of their fights were taken down and destroyed. Yes they'd do well on their feet but if an MMA fighter wants it to go to the mat that's where it's going to go.

And that is exactly why the sport is so compelling to watch.

J. Marston

my friend wrote: »

'Add to that two insane fan bases in each man's corner. McGregor has his Irish contingent, who we have seen are a rowdy bunch of people reminiscent of old school soccer hooligans'

From Bleacher Report on the forthcoming LV scheduled Aldo v McG

"Soccer hooligans" is a bit ridiculous but the element of his fanbase that seem to try emulate his trash-talk and all that craic are probably some of the biggest twats in this country.

Dan_Solo

My name is URL wrote: »

haha, this seems to be causing some people minor annoyance

Report from the BBC -



http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/33497089

It is a slightly odd way to word it though I guess

Wasn't Sean Kelly the "first UK or Irish cyclist to win the Tour De France"?
You may as well say first UK or Mongolian!

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

Billy86 wrote: »

Randy Couture, which beat him with ease, was 46/47 at the time.

In an Mma match which he has been doing all his life. Toney was doing MMA for a few months at the age of 42. Now if Toney was training in MMA for over 10 years, your post might have some validity...

Gatling

Billy86 wrote: »

Randy Couture, which beat him with ease, was 46/47 at the time.

Remember him nearly knocking Tim silvia who was 27/28 at the time with a absolutely massive hight and reach advantage when randy was 44 or 45

Saipanne

McGregor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

In an Mma match which he has been doing all his life. Toney was doing MMA for a few months at the age of 42. Now if Toney was training in MMA for over 10 years, your post might have some validity...

But as was suggested earlier ANY boxer could take an MMA fighter. Even an amateur. This is what we are responding to.

Nodin

osarusan wrote: »

This thread has become the UFC vs Boxing thread we all dreaded.

The fanboy element have arrived. I suggest we slip off the ship after setting the reactor to self destruct.

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

Saipanne wrote: »

But as was suggested earlier ANY boxer could take an MMA fighter. Even an amateur. This is what we are responding to.

No prime boxer has made the transition...so there is no definite answer. Obviously the MMA guy would be massively favourited in an MMA fight as would a boxer in the roles reversed

Nice of you to join us again hours after you were called out for not having a notion about Boxing.

Saipanne

McGregor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

No prime boxer has made the transition...so there is no definite answer. Obviously the MMA guy would be massively favourited in an MMA fight as would a boxer in the roles reversed

Nice of you to join us again hours after you were called out for not having a notion about Boxing.

I'll respond to who I like.

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

Saipanne wrote: »

I'll respond to who I like.

Aka I'll respond when I see someone who actually has an iota what their on about shows a little support to my flawed knowledge and duck out shamelessly when I am called out for being biased and having little to no knowledge of a sport.

You da man.

Saipanne

McGregor

I am.

Billy86

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

In an Mma match which he has been doing all his life. Toney was doing MMA for a few months at the age of 42. Now if Toney was training in MMA for over 10 years, your post might have some validity...

My post said Couture was 46 or 47 years of age at the time, and that he beat a younger James Toney with ease. Please point out the invalid statement.

El Guapo!

The boxer vs mma fighter argument is a pointless one to have. It doesn't make any sense. Nobody does it for other sports.

The answer is simple:
In a boxing match, the boxer would more than likely win.
In an mma fight, the mma fighter would more than likely win.
There's always gonna be the exception to the rule but that's generally how it would go.

Pointless discussion tbh.

Heisenberg1

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Wasn't Sean Kelly the "first UK or Irish cyclist to win the Tour De France"?
You may as well say first UK or Mongolian!

Sean Kelly never won le tour.

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

Billy86 wrote: »

My post said Couture was 46 or 47 years of age at the time, and that he beat a younger James Toney with ease. Please point out the invalid statement.

Couture's age is irrelevant in relation to Toney's. He's been at MMA with donkey's years. He learned his craft at a young age, in the same way Toney did. At 42 Toney took up a new sport. The phrase you can't teach an old dog new tricks applies here.

Gatling

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Sean Kelly never won le tour.

Stephen roache

efb

McGregor

In fairness to the BBC the U.K. and Ireland are a combined group of islands with a shared history. It would be like saying Spain and Portugal or the Benelux nations.

I thought it was an interim belt?

Dan_Solo

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Sean Kelly never won le tour.

Oh bollix, yeah I meant Roche.

efb

McGregor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Couture's age is irrelevant in relation to Toney's. He's been at MMA with donkey's years. He learned his craft at a young age, in the same way Toney did. At 42 Toney took up a new sport. The phrase you can't teach an old dog new tricks applies here.

How long is MMA going?

Billy86

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Couture's age is irrelevant in relation to Toney's. He's been at MMA with donkey's years. He learned his craft at a young age, in the same way Toney did. At 42 Toney took up a new sport. The phrase you can't teach an old dog new tricks applies here.

If you go back through the quote links though, you will see where it originated from, which was 'stretchdoe' claiming "any good amateur boxer, let alone a professional, would waste these guys in seconds; again IMO."

James Toney was not just a good amateur boxer, but I believe a professional world champion in three different weight classes (almost four, but he drew with Rahman). Age cannot be used as an excuse, as he lost to a guy five years his senior. Teaching old dogs new tricks also cannot be used as an excuse, because the statement was "any good amateur boxer, let alone a professional, would waste these guys in seconds; again IMO."

Basically, the statement made (not by you) was laughably inaccurate.

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

efb wrote: »

How long is MMA going?

Mainstream MMA has been around since the 90's but martial arts has been around thousands of years.

efb

McGregor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Mainstream MMA has been around since the 90's but martial arts has been around thousands of years.

I know Martial Arts has been around a very long time. Just the legacy with MMA isn't that long.

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

Billy86 wrote: »

If you go back through the quote links though, you will see where it originated from, which was 'stretchdoe' claiming "any good amateur boxer, let alone a professional, would waste these guys in seconds; again IMO."

James Toney was not just a good amateur boxer, but I believe a professional world champion in three different weight classes (almost four, but he drew with Rahman). Age cannot be used as an excuse, as he lost to a guy five years his senior. Teaching old dogs new tricks also cannot be used as an excuse, because the statement was "any good amateur boxer, let alone a professional, would waste these guys in seconds; again IMO."

Basically, the statement made (not by you) was laughably inaccurate.

I didn't agree with that guys statement or make reference to it though. I'm talking straight Toney-Couture. The guy who made that remark has clearly flawed knowledge when it comes to combat sport.

Age is an excuse when you try and take up a sport at 42. Toney could barely box for 12 rounds then, let alone learn a completely new skill set.

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

efb wrote: »

I know Martial Arts has been around a very long time. Just the legacy with MMA isn't that long.

But yeah in Couture's case, he had a wrestling background since his teens, so that's when he developed the foundation for his MMA game. Had he to do that at the age of 42, even 32, he'd be an unknown in the sport. That's my point in relation to Toney. No time to learn the MMA way, and at 42, the body and the mind cannot learn stuff like that compared to your youth...especially in relation to sport/physical activity.

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Specialun wrote: »

Ufc forum >>>>>>>

We don't have a UFC forum.

efb

McGregor

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

But yeah in Couture's case, he had a wrestling background since his teens, so that's when he developed the foundation for his MMA game. Had he to do that at the age of 42, even 32, he'd be an unknown in the sport. That's my point in relation to Toney. No time to learn the MMA way, and at 42, the body and the mind cannot learn stuff like that compared to your youth...especially in relation to sport/physical activity.

So is wrestling more integral to MMA than boxing?

efb

McGregor

Nathalia Quick Connection wrote: »

We don't have a UFC forum.

It's MMA, whoever coined that phrase for the name for the hybrid sport - was genius

efb

McGregor

Do you remember when Monica's millionaire BF in Friends took up Cage Fighting- that's my first awareness of the sport

Talib Fiasco

McGregor

efb wrote: »

So is wrestling more integral to MMA than boxing?

I would argue yes, definitely. There have been several guys who are accomplished wrestlers who have had staggering success in MMA. Wrestlers are generally very strong guys compared to boxers who are quicker and more nimble. In relation to such a physically demanding sport, the wrestler is at an advantage straight away. Wrestling is also very hard to learn in comparison to Boxing. Nearly any guy into MMA can learn the basics of Boxing relatively quickly to get by, but a guy trying to learn wrestling from scratch will have a torrid time...it can take years to even learn the foundation. With wrestling as well, you can dictate where the fight is fought...if you're against a guy with seriously quick and heavy hands, you obviously take him to the ground and keep him there when possible...if you're fighting a submission type guy, you keep it on the feet as much as possible. With a boxing base, you do not have that luxury, that versatility. I would argue that wrestling is definitely the most advantageous base to have for MMA