Viral Facebook video speaking out about domestic violence (Read mod note in the OP)

Trudiha

MrWalsh wrote: »

So then I will ask you to retract your cognitive dissonance comment as I made no suggestion that I did not believe the victim, nor did I suggest myself that someone who was not assaulted was.

I didn't address that comment to you. I deliberately put it in a separate post to avoid confusion. You quoted it and I've replied to your quote but my post on cognitive dissonance was a general comment.

Dogowner55

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Maybe there's some sort of loyalty points system, if you attack 20 women for speaking out about domestic violence you get a free trilby.

This is why talk of the gender on this issue should be banned like the race.

Dv is bad regardless of gender
Attacking someone is bad regardless of race

The only issue is a person made a video to get a hate mod to attack someone, the gender and race matters on just the act was wrong

califano

The way Usanga is followed is like an episode of the Simpsons where Homer peels a gummie bear off the baby sitters posterior. All we're missing now is a slow-mo of Usanga struggling to get keys out of his pocket

Trudiha

Dogowner55 wrote: »

This is why talk of the gender on this issue should be banned like the race.

Dv is bad regardless of gender
Attacking someone is bad regardless of race

The only issue is a person made a video to get a hate mod to attack someone, the gender and race matters on just the act was wrong

Violence is gendered. The vast majority of violent acts are carried out by men, mostly they are carried out towards other men but sometimes woman. It would serve the vast majority of men and some women to eradicate violence but that’s never going to happen while we don’t mention the elephant in the room.

We need to socialise our children better.

Mightydrumming

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Maybe there's some sort of loyalty points system, if you attack 20 women for speaking out about domestic violence you get a free trilby.

And then people wonder why victims of domestic abuse don't speak out. Some people on this thread have shown exactly why. It's unacceptable.

Dogowner55

Trudiha wrote: »

Violence is gendered. The vast majority of violent acts are carried out by men, mostly they are carried out towards other men but sometimes woman. It would serve the vast majority of men and some women to eradicate violence but that’s never going to happen while we don’t mention the elephant in the room.

We need to socialise our children better.

But it's a stereotype like his race being more violent, we should not be juding him on stereotypes and let the authorities do their job.

The only wrong act that we know for certain that has been committed is that a person release a video to ruin another persons life.

Gender and race is not a part of that act.

NachoBusiness

LexieOnRale wrote: »

All actions have consequences, and his seems to be having what he's done plastered all over social media.

Oh well, if it seems like he deserves this, sure then let me get out of the way of the baying mob so. Careful with those pitchforks now.

RDM_83 again

Trudiha wrote: »

Violence is gendered. The vast majority of violent acts are carried out by men, mostly they are carried out towards other men but sometimes woman. It would serve the vast majority of men and some women to eradicate violence but that’s never going to happen while we don’t mention the elephant in the room.

We need to socialise our children better.

Trudiha wrote: »

Violence is gendered. The vast majority of violent acts are carried out by men, mostly they are carried out towards other men but sometimes woman. It would serve the vast majority of men and some women to eradicate violence but that’s never going to happen while we don’t mention the elephant in the room.

We need to socialise our children better.

And a decent minority of the opposite gender particularly at a younger age seem to be attracted to violent/unsavoury individuals (not talking about those who present themselves as nice and hide their behaviour which obviously make up a substantial amount of abusers). How come saying men are inherently more violent (I can agree with your logic btw) is ok but examining the motivation/ thought process of those who enter these relationships is sexism?

Mightydrumming

Dogowner55 wrote: »

The only issue is a person made a video to get a hate mod to attack someone, the gender and race matters on just the act was wrong

Where have you been throughout this thread? You cannot and will not back up your statements.

Can you please give me a time in the uploaded video where the women demanded a hate mob or demanded for the partner to be attacked?

Myself, along with countless other posters have told you why the video was made. I will tell you again because obviously your finding difficulty processing it.

The video was made to raise awareness to other victims of domestic abuse. The video has and will continue to give courage and inspire victims of domestic violence to come forward.

jonon9

strelok wrote: »

there has been a lot of 'thug' thrown around about the man alright, a word you rarely see describing white people

Hey marked One.

Trudiha

Dogowner55 wrote: »

But it's a stereotype like his race being more violent, we should not be juding him on stereotypes and let the authorities do their job.

You seem to be confusing stereotypes and statistical facts. I can’t find any research that proves that black/afro Caribbean people are more violent than White European ones but any monitoring done on perpetrators of violent crime proves that the overwhelming majority are men.

The only wrong act that we know for certain that has been committed is that a person release a video to ruin another persons life.

You have no idea of this woman's motivations. None whatsoever.

Dogowner55

Trudiha wrote: »

You seem to be confusing stereotypes and statistical facts. I can’t find any research that proves that black/afro Caribbean people are more violent than White European ones but any monitoring done on perpetrators of violent crime proves that the overwhelming majority are men.


You have no idea of this woman's motivations. None whatsoever.

Yes you can and plenty of prison stats show how the stereotypes started

Mightydrumming

Dogowner55 wrote: »

Yes you can and plenty of prison stats show how the stereotypes started

Can you give us hard facts here please?

Trudiha

RDM_83 again wrote: »

And a decent minority of the opposite gender particularly at a younger age seem to be attracted to violent/unsavoury individuals (not talking about those who present themselves as nice and hide their behaviour which obviously make up a substantial amount of abusers). How come saying men are inherently more violent (I can agree with your logic btw) is ok but examining the motivation/ thought process of those who enter these relationships is sexism?

I don't think that men are inherently more violent. I've been part of a research study that actually counted how often pre-school kids hit each other and it showed pretty clearly that little girls are just as keen to use their fists/toys to bash other kids.

The difference is that little girls are more effectively socialised out of that behaviour, they are taught non-violent resolution skills by their caregivers in a way that little boys aren’t.

I haven’t mentioned sexism and I’d be delighted if all teenagers were taught that violence is an unattractive trait.

Dogowner55

Mightydrumming wrote: »

Can you give us hard facts here please?

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2741905/

NachoBusiness

NachoBusiness wrote: »

then she would just be seen as the nut who most likely asked for it.

CaoimheSquee wrote: »

WOAH.

As much as I don't really agree with the publicising of the situation - especially her kids, saying she was asking for it is seriously low. No point in reading any of your posts further on the subject.

Perfect example if ever there was one of taking what someone has said completely out of context just so you can suggest they have said something which they patently have not. Now lets put the above sentence back in context shall we (if that's okay with you):

NachoBusiness wrote: »

She slathered the video from start to finish with an awareness subtext. The truth is she needed to though, as how else could she get away with doing what she did. If it had been a: 'Look what the bastard did to me this time. Your son, your friend, your trainer, your media personality in the making, well he's not the man you all think he is, cause he's been shagging around and has got another women pregnant!" video, without all the rest of the filler... then she would just be seen as the nut who most likely asked for it.

So you see, what I actually said was that she would most likely have been seen as someone that asked for it if she had made a ''Look what the bastard did to me this time" style video rather than the one she did make.

No point in reading any of your posts further on the subject.

Well, not if you're going to incorrectly comprehend what I have said there isn't, no.

NachoBusiness

Mightydrumming wrote: »

You are simply disgusting. It's becoming even more evident that you have never been involved in a domestic situation yourself.

And another one.

Mightydrumming

NachoBusiness wrote: »

If it had been a: 'Look what the bastard did to me this time. Your son, your friend, your trainer, your media personality in the making, well he's not the man you all think he is, cause he's been shagging around and has got another women pregnant!" video, without all the rest of the filler... then she would just be seen as the nut who most likely asked for it.

I have read that multiple times now and I am astonished to say the least.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

then she would just be seen as the nut who most likely asked for it.

That statement makes no literal sense. Could you elaborate as to how she would of been made out to be the 'nut'?

NachoBusiness

Mightydrumming wrote: »

I have read that multiple times now and I am astonished to say the least.

Astonished for what reason exactly?

Could you elaborate as to how she would of been made out to be the 'nut'?

People that make ranting videos and post them online usually are regarded that way.

She would been seen as a bunny boiler had she made the video I describe.

Pumpkinseeds

Trudiha wrote: »

I don't think that men are inherently more violent. I've been part of a research study that actually counted how often pre-school kids hit each other and it showed pretty clearly that little girls are just as keen to use their fists/toys to bash other kids.

The difference is that little girls are more effectively socialised out of that behaviour, they are taught non-violent resolution skills by their caregivers in a way that little boys aren’t.

I haven’t mentioned sexism and I’d be delighted if all teenagers were taught that violence is an unattractive trait.

Don't you mean that little girls are given dolls to play with to teach them how to be mommies and boys are encouraged to play soldiers and play with toy guns? Caregivers?, presumably you mean parents, but just don't want to offend anyone by acutally using the word parent 'Non-violent resolution skills', Jesus wept.

Trudiha

Dogowner55 wrote: »

Yes you can and plenty of prison stats show how the stereotypes started

Prison stats are a really poor way of assessing who is most likely to commit or even have committed a crime, particularly American ones. Poor people tend not to be able to afford a decent defence counsel and those without a decent defence tend to be more likely to go to prison and to spend longer there. A disproportionate number of African Americans are poor.

W.Shakes-Beer

One Youtuber has decided to look at things from a male perspective, somewhat showing the video for what it really is, thoughts?

An interesting take on it although possibly not the most conformist view, which again, isn't a bad thing.

The video detail: "If you're a MAN, you owe it to yourself to share this video out to just illustrate how emotionally manipulative women can be."


https://youtu.be/mjDS8NjToXc

Dogowner55

Trudiha wrote: »

Prison stats are a really poor way of assessing who is most likely to commit or even have committed a crime, particularly American ones. Poor people tend not to be able to afford a decent defence counsel and those without a decent defence tend to be more likely to go to prison and to spend longer there. A disproportionate number of African Americans are poor.

The stats for commeted crimes is a poor way to measure crime? The stats show black men are more violent hence the stereotypes come about. Just like sterotypes men are more violent.

Treat people as individuals and loose those sterotypes you are harboring. Don't judge the man in referenced in the video on his race or gender

padz

Trudiha wrote: »

Prison stats are a really poor way of assessing who is most likely to commit or even have committed a crime, particularly American ones. Poor people tend not to be able to afford a decent defence counsel and those without a decent defence tend to be more likely to go to prison and to spend longer there. A disproportionate number of African Americans are poor.

The FBI’s crime victimization surveys tell a very different story


In 2008, the most recent year for which such data seems to have been collected, FBI surveys show that, out of 520,161 interracial violent crimes, blacks committed 429,444 of them against whites, while whites committed 90,717 of them against blacks.


In other words, blacks commit more than 80 percent of all interracial violent crime


http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08.pdf

Trudiha

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Don't you mean that little girls are given dolls to play with to teach them how to be mommies and boys are encouraged to play soldiers and play with toy guns? Caregivers?, presumably you mean parents, but just don't want to offend anyone by acutally using the word parent 'Non-violent resolution skills', Jesus wept.

It's a bit more complicated than that, a child of either gender can still give a fair clout with a doll and it doesn't take a penis to operate a toy gun.

I understand that since the Marriage Bar has been lifted some women are now working outside the home. Their children are looked after during the day by people who aren’t their parents. However, I would hope that they are still being encouraged to call their mammies, ‘Mammy’ and not having awful Americanisms forced upon they by their caregivers.

PopePalpatine

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

One Youtuber has decided to look at things from a male perspective, somewhat showing the video for what it really is, thoughts?
...
The video detail: "If you're a MAN, you owe it to yourself to share this video out to just illustrate how emotionally manipulative women can be."


https://youtu.be/mjDS8NjToXc

The uploader of that has no sense of irony.

Trudiha

Dogowner55 wrote: »

The stats for commeted crimes is a poor way to measure crime? The stats show black men are more violent hence the stereotypes come about. Just like sterotypes men are more violent.

Treat people as individuals and loose those sterotypes you are harboring. Don't judge the man in referenced in the video on his race or gender

No, the stats on who is in prison is a poor way to assess who has committed a crime. Rich people, white people and women tend to be given lighter sentences.

So if you’re looking at a prison population, you have to consider who’s not there, those who have already been released and they tend to be the rich, the pale and the female.

P. Breathnach

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

One Youtuber has decided to look at things from a male perspective, somewhat showing the video for what it really is, thoughts?

An interesting take on it although possibly not the most conformist view, which again, isn't a bad thing.

The video detail: "If you're a MAN, you owe it to yourself to share this video out to just illustrate how emotionally manipulative women can be."


https://youtu.be/mjDS8NjToXc

A male perspective? Most males (I hope) would disagree with the contention that if a woman throws his phone it is legitimate self-defence to hit her with a fist.

Dogowner55

PopePalpatine wrote: »

The uploader of that has no sense of irony.

Yeah I agree MGTOW and Anita meme's do him no favours, probably a gator, bet he celibrates how the zoe got ruined by something like this double standards

The persons gender doesn't matter. The video is the problem and that act is what should be denounced.

Pumpkinseeds

Trudiha wrote: »

It's a bit more complicated than that, a child of either gender can still give a fair clout with a doll and it doesn't take a penis to operate a toy gun.

I understand that since the Marriage Bar has been lifted some women are now working outside the home. Their children are looked after during the day by people who aren’t their parents. However, I would hope that they are still being encouraged to call their mammies, ‘Mammy’ and not having awful Americanisms forced upon they by their caregivers.

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