Victory for electoral fraud

Egginacup · 23-05-2015 5:38pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Well really what bothered me was the non-Irish who were apparently voting.

Then I see Enda on TV today teary-eyed due to those who returned to vote and I wondered what percentage were not resident and eligible to vote.

How could something bother you if it was "apparent"
Were non-Irish people voting or were they not? How can you get a referendum polling card without being Irish? And how can you then go to a polling station, bereft of this polling card, and vote?

stefanovich · 23-05-2015 5:39pm

Egginacup wrote: »

petty

Egginacup wrote: »

childish

Egginacup wrote: »

bitchy

Egginacup wrote: »

hammered

Egginacup wrote: »

humiliating

Egginacup wrote: »

joshing

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Egginacup wrote: »

Cringeworthy

Nice vocabulary.

stefanovich · 23-05-2015 5:41pm

Egginacup wrote: »

How could something bother you if it was "apparent"
Were non-Irish people voting or were they not? How can you get a referendum polling card without being Irish? And how can you then go to a polling station, bereft of this polling card, and vote?

There were examples on boards just recently. Easy to get a polling card.

mikom · 23-05-2015 5:43pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Whatever dude. I haven't live at home for a very long time.

Ahh, assisted living.

My name is URL · 23-05-2015 5:44pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Is that the movie about the guy who crashed in the mountains and started eating each other?

No, it's a catholic 'newspaper'. Although it does regularly crash and burn

Nice link, not biased at all.

Oh it's definitely biased against idiocy.

Seriously though, what is the term supposed to mean?

Collie D · 23-05-2015 5:44pm

Egginacup wrote: »

You HAVE to provide id at the polling station. If you don't have to you wouldn't be required to bring id. That is a fact.

Hardly a fact if two posters above you just said they didn't show ID. I wasn't asked for mine either but handed I over anyway

EazyD · 23-05-2015 5:45pm

stefanovich wrote: »

There were examples on boards just recently. Easy to get a polling card.

Your entitled to your view like anyone else but what you've been saying is anything but consistent. Maybe your just prodding for the reaction.

Mongfinder General · 23-05-2015 5:46pm

Just read through the thread. Loving all the bitterness from the No side. Even their Christian democrat heroes in Fine Gael abandoned them and opted to vote yes. Ha tucking ha

RecordStraight · 23-05-2015 5:48pm

stefanovich wrote: »

The bible being there is so people can swear on it if they forget ID. You see, before cultural Marxism, Ireland was a Catholic country.

I for one find the idea of a '<INSERT DOGMA> country' rather disturbing.

fed up sick and tired · 23-05-2015 5:51pm

stefanovich wrote: »

The establishment was fiercely pro gay marriage.

The bible being there is so people can swear on it if they forget ID. You see, before cultural Marxism, Ireland was a Catholic country.

But not a Christian one.

Egginacup · 23-05-2015 5:51pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Okay, nobody checks.

Another lie.

BoJack Horseman · 23-05-2015 5:53pm

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

But not a Christian one.

Indeed.

Today was a step towards being a more Christian nation.

And a less catholic one.

Grayson · 23-05-2015 5:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That opening post got a great laugh out of a table of drinkers here in Vietnam. Thanks OP.

same here in thailand

and actually I was discussing it with friends in saigon this morning. We were laughing at some of the stupider no arguments, but still worried the vote might not pass

mickydoomsux · 23-05-2015 5:55pm

Mass organised electoral fraud is obviously much more likely than people who are anti gay marriage being a minority.

The sourest of grapes.

"Ye only won because ye cheated"

FrStone · 23-05-2015 5:55pm

Egginacup wrote: »

Maybe

But if it's so easy to get on the register twice then why isn't the OP yammering about people IN Ireland being on the register twice (and DEFINITELY being in breach of the rules) instead of focussing on people returning from abroad and being perfectly eligible to vote and NOT in breach of the rules....and then using this yardstick of hypothetical claptrap to beat the result along with the integrity of the system?

Well there weren't people saying on the news that they intended on voting twice...

There were people claiming that they were out of the country with years saying they flew home to vote. While I don't agree with his views on marriage, I do agree that electoral fraud was committed and is being celebrated by the media.

That said I don't agree with extending the right to vote to those abroad either.

stefanovich · 23-05-2015 5:57pm

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Mass organised electoral fraud is obviously much more likely than people who are anti gay marriage being a minority.

The sourest of grapes.

"Ye only won because ye cheated"

It's pretty obvious they would have won anyway.

stefanovich · 23-05-2015 5:57pm

FrStone wrote: »

Well there weren't people saying on the news that they intended on voting twice...

There were people claiming that they were out of the country with years saying they flew home to vote. While I don't agree with his views on marriage, I do agree that electoral fraud was committed and is being celebrated by the media.

That said I don't agree with extending the right to vote to those abroad either.

Thank you voice of reason.

Clandestine · 23-05-2015 6:02pm

My name is URL wrote: »

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Linking to rationalwiki is like linking to conservapedia - its a socialist hugbox.

Egginacup · 23-05-2015 6:02pm

Collie D wrote: »

Hardly a fact if two posters above you just said they didn't show ID. I wasn't asked for mine either but handed I over anyway

A lazy polling station worker is not proof that ID is not required. You are required to have photo ID. Yo are required to have this ID to register and again to vote. That a smattering of people skipped through the process is not by any stretch of the imagination an indication that the system is massively vulnerable to abuse as asserted by the OP.

You need a passport to get from England to Belgium. If some guy in a row boat on a calm day gets across the channel undetected does that mean the checks for travellers from England to Belgium is massively vulnerable to abuse?

stefanovich · 23-05-2015 6:04pm

Egginacup wrote: »

A lazy polling station worker is not proof that ID is not required. You are required to have photo ID. Yo are required to have this ID to register and again to vote. That a smattering of people skipped through the process is not by any stretch of the imagination an indication that the system is massively vulnerable to abuse as asserted by the OP.

You need a passport to get from England to Belgium. If some guy in a row boat on a calm day gets across the channel undetected does that mean the checks for travellers from England to Belgium is massively vulnerable to abuse?

Someone else added me to the register. I wasn't there. No form was filled. My name was just added. I have never been asked for ID when voting.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-05-2015 6:05pm

stefanovich wrote: »

.

Nice vocabulary.

Yet true.

Egginacup · 23-05-2015 6:08pm

Grayson wrote: »

same here in thailand
and actually I was discussing it with friends in saigon this morning. We were laughing at some of the stupider no arguments, but still worried the vote might not pass

It's called Ho Chi Minh City.

Pining for colonial times, are you?

RecordStraight · 23-05-2015 6:16pm

Egginacup wrote: »

It's called Ho Chi Minh City.

Pining for colonial times, are you?

To be fair, it was called Saigon for a thousand years before the French arrived.

RecordStraight · 23-05-2015 6:18pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Whatever dude. I haven't live at home for a very long time. You see, not having a degree in the arts or women's studies has its advantages.

Some pretty serious disadvantages too, by the looks of things.

FrStone · 23-05-2015 6:27pm

Egginacup wrote: »

A lazy polling station worker is not proof that ID is not required. You are required to have photo ID. Yo are required to have this ID to register and again to vote. That a smattering of people skipped through the process is not by any stretch of the imagination an indication that the system is massively vulnerable to abuse as asserted by the OP.

You need a passport to get from England to Belgium. If some guy in a row boat on a calm day gets across the channel undetected does that mean the checks for travellers from England to Belgium is massively vulnerable to abuse?

The presiding officers are instructed to ask for id for one in four voters aprox. Many of us have been doing it for years so we know most voters to see, and would only ask for those we don't recognise.

Also it is possible to register to vote with out visiting a garda station and providing id. You only need to do that to be put on the supplement. If you register to be put on the main register, you only need to send off a form to your local council. In many cases the local politician will register you on your behalf.

backspacer · 23-05-2015 6:28pm

At the risk of sounding glib,surely the 66,000 argument is moot,considering the Yes side are probably going to win by 600,000 odd votes.

The Backwards Man · 23-05-2015 6:31pm

FrStone wrote: »

They still wouldn't be passing tax here though. If you are non resident you don't pay tax on Ireland. Only exception is if you sell specified Irish assets, which would be rare.

You still pay tax in Ireland and are considered tax resident if you are on the Irish payroll. No vote though. Or residency.

mickydoomsux · 23-05-2015 6:36pm

backspacer wrote: »

At the risk of sounding glib,surely the 66,000 argument is moot,considering the Yes side are probably going to win by 600,000 odd votes.

Let's take 33000 off both sides because we don't know how these people were going to vote, in the interest of fairness of course

FrStone · 23-05-2015 6:37pm

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You still pay tax in Ireland and are considered tax resident if you are on the Irish payroll. No vote though. Or residency.

Nope, you are wrong.

If you are non resident you don't pay tax here, even if you are on the Irish payroll. Tax is paid in the country of residency. Some companies would set up a shadow payroll for those working abroad so it looks like you are paying tax to the Irish revenue, but at the end of the year your company claims it all back, and then pay the tax due on your employment abroad to the relevant foreign tax authorities.

RecordStraight · 23-05-2015 6:45pm

FrStone wrote: »

Nope, you are wrong.

If you are non resident you don't pay tax here, even if you are on the Irish payroll. Tax is paid in the country of residency.

There are some exceptions to this. I know of a group of people living and working abroad and paying tax in Ireland.

Victory for electoral fraud

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