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UK Election 2015

BOHtox · 2015-05-05 18:54:45

Who's staying up on Thursday night to watch it? Probably the most exciting election of my life time as it's too close to call and some of the obvious coalitions will fall short i.e. Tory- Lib Dem or Labour-SNP. I'll be up anyway watching it on Sky News keeping a close eye on the Conservative vote edit: I have no idea how…

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#692 08-05-2015 11:17am
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The electorate comprehensively rejected what was a really minor move away from FPTP. So its really banging your head off a wall to expect them to ever have a fair system even if the current system flies in the face of basic logic and is indefensible.

I do think the UKIP/SNP %/seat comparisons are an unfair thing to blame on FPTP though. The same can happen under any system in which one party specifically targets a small subset of seats whilst another party fields candidates in every constituency.

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#693 08-05-2015 11:18am
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BoatMad wrote: »

I think that they may well seek another referendum ( isn't that within the Scottish Assembly control ?) but its a very dangerous thing for the SNP to do, given the last result, a failure again , would remove the question for 100 years or more and do enormous damage to the SNP.

interresting to see how it all works out

No, the Scottish Parliament does not have the authority to stage a referendum (similar to Catalan).

See this post from the Independence thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95385007&postcount=3

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#694 08-05-2015 11:19am
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IrishTrajan wrote: »

The Greens are blown out (Bennett lost her seat?)

Bennett didn't have a seat in the first place. Caroline Lucas successfully defended their only seat in Brighton Pavilion.

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#695 08-05-2015 11:22am
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A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

No, the Scottish Parliament does not have the authority to stage a referendum (similar to Catalan).

See this post from the Independence thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95385007&postcount=3

well yes and no. a very clever ploy would be for a overwhelmingly SNP Assembly to request permission to hold one only to be denied, !

I dont think the SNP will put Independence back on the agenda, unless there is a serious chance of Brexit. Given that DC actually wants to keep the UK in Europe, I dont see an exit happening.

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#696 08-05-2015 11:22am
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Is anyone watching Farrage? That bloke from MiB 4 scanning the hillsides.......

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#697 08-05-2015 11:22am
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alaimacerc wrote: »

Seems like a redundant metaphor, with redundancy!

Yes, evidently. Hence we're still discussing the topic. Which is an argument by what stretch of the imagination?

Well pointing the finger solely at the Tories seems to fashionable this morning. Again, I did not hear these arguments when Labour were romping home to victory under Blair.

People naturally grasp at straws in a way to explain outcomes. If Labour were going to jump into bed with the SNP I wonder would there be the same argument made?

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#698 08-05-2015 11:24am
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Harry Palmr wrote: »

The problem with the internet is how unblinkingly credulous a media it is.

Anyone who knows me would/should have realised I was joking.

Nobody here does know you though, and it's very, very easy - on the internet - to have a position of "ah I was only joking anyway".

Fair play to you.

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#699 08-05-2015 11:25am
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Nige gone, but not gone. Or something.

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#700 08-05-2015 11:26am
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BoatMad wrote: »

well yes and no. a very clever ploy would be for a overwhelmingly SNP Assembly to request permission to hold one only to be denied, !

I dont think the SNP will put Independence back on the agenda, unless there is a serious chance of Brexit. Given that DC actually wants to keep the UK in Europe, I dont see an exit happening.

The SNP does not have the mandate to put Independence back on the agenda. That mandate can be sought in next years Scottish parliamentary election and if the SNP win a majority (in a PR election this time so much harder), a request for a legally binding referendum can be made to the Tory Government.

Nicola Sturgeon has been stating the above for months now

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#701 08-05-2015 11:26am
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jank wrote: »

Well pointing the finger solely at the Tories seems to fashionable this morning. Again, I did not hear these arguments when Labour were romping home to victory under Blair.

I'm sorry, are we ruining your gloating pleasure?

As far as I know, no-one is proposing a system where PR is applied retrospectively if the Tories 'win', and FPTP if Labour does. Electoral reform all round. Not a complex concept, really.

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#702 08-05-2015 11:29am
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UKIP surely toast now. Their only elected candidate was really a Conservative anyway.

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#703 08-05-2015 11:32am
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Francie Barrett wrote: »

UKIP surely toast now. Their only elected candidate was really a Conservative anyway.

I bet he wishes he did not defect

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#704 08-05-2015 11:34am
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Clegg gone. It'll be easy enough to find the next leader. Do they have any female MPs?

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#705 08-05-2015 11:34am
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Francie Barrett wrote: »

UKIP surely toast now. Their only elected candidate was really a Conservative anyway.

You are not looking at the share of the vote. they are the third largest party by vote share.

They have actually done extremely well, and despite originally being seen as cannibalising Tory votes , actually took quite a lot of Labour votes

They are extremely well positioned to do well in the next election

Farage was a odd-head, I think the electorate just tired of him. UKIP will move mainstream and be the next English SNP is my view

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#706 08-05-2015 11:36am
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Nigel and nick have resigned ed next up

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#707 08-05-2015 11:36am
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BoatMad wrote: »

I dont think the SNP will put Independence back on the agenda, unless there is a serious chance of Brexit. Given that DC actually wants to keep the UK in Europe, I dont see an exit happening.

I thought the Tories were committed to holding a referendum on Europe? As you say, a vote to exit should suit the SNPs cause.

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#708 08-05-2015 11:36am
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#709 08-05-2015 11:37am
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Farage & Clegg now resigned with Miliband soon to follow

Cameron has presided over some scalps yesterday

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#710 08-05-2015 11:39am
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Farage didn't really resign though

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#711 08-05-2015 11:40am
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A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Farage & Clegg now resigned with Miliband soon to follow

Cameron has presided over some scalps yesterday

David Cameron's response to the news
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lrKAr-8h1RM

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#712 08-05-2015 11:47am
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Francie Barrett wrote: »

UKIP surely toast now. Their only elected candidate was really a Conservative anyway.

already starting to make big gains in the council elections that also took place yesterday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2015/results/councils

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Oh! The trade unions on ITV are now interested in a change in the electoral system. Fancy that.

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#714 08-05-2015 12:07pm
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Harry Palmr wrote: »

Oh! The trade unions on ITV are now interested in a change in the electoral system. Fancy that.

In the Labour party or the Country ?

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#715 08-05-2015 12:09pm
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A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Farage & Clegg now resigned with Miliband soon to follow

Cameron has presided over some scalps yesterday

Three clowns, IMO. Milliband, absolutely no charisma or even presence. Farage, just bile. Clegg, a turncoat, with no backbone, voters do not forget. British people were frightened of labour doing a deal with the SNP. Hence Tory boy gets another go.

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#716 08-05-2015 12:12pm
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who the fug wrote: »

In the Labour party or the Country ?

Country.

Ed resigning.

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BoatMad wrote: »

UKIP will move mainstream and be the next English SNP is my view

Those roles are already filled. Heard of a little-known outfit called the Conservative Party?

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#718 08-05-2015 12:32pm
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awec wrote: »

Mental that there are three leaders probably out the job today.

I've got this strange feeling that all three won't be rushing down to their local dole office after lunch to claim the £54 their now entitled to.

Funny that.

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Overall Majority official now. Looks like a Majority of 330 all told.

Great news in my opinion. Good for business and good for the Irish economy

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#721 08-05-2015 12:44pm
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Not if they hold that promised EU exit referendum, which would have a decent chance of passing.

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