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Getting evicted for boycotting Irish Water - Mod Warnings post #29, 95 & 108

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm assuming the initial registration form from Irish water was addressed to the landlord. This post is passed onto him or to the agent to deal with. Why hasn't a new form been issued with the tenants name on? Or has it? The agent wouldn't let him see the letter when he visited the office.

    Leaving aside the can't pay/won't pay issue, how is someone expected to pay a bill that they have never seen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭burkey2k0


    Hi OP, just curious which one of these scenarios is correct. I'm trying to look at this impartially. If the bill came in the landlord's name one of two things happened:

    - You received the registration pack from IW but never registered, which means you basically refused to transfer the utility to your name, breached your lease, and pissed the landlord off as he now has a bill in his name he is not liable for. This should be your debt, not his, and is only in his name because you refused to register. You can protest against these charges all you want, but letting the debt go against your landlord is not right. Have the courage of your convictions and own up to the debt and protest in your own name, not his.

    - OR he never forwarded you on the registration pack, therefore meaning it's his fault that the bill came in his name and not yours. Makes this more a civil matter, not a breach of the lease. You don't have IW chasing you, they're chasing him because he messed up and didn't do what he was supposed to do and forward you on the pack. But in all fairness it's a bill that is for your usage, all questions of legitimacy of the charge aside.

    Either way you need to transfer the utility to your name. For the good of your relationship with the landlord you need to at least pay this bill. For the future bills you can protest the rest as you please as the debt should follow you, not the landlord.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭daheff


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    - You received the registration pack from IW but never registered,
    - OR he never forwarded you on the registration pack,

    Maybe the OP moved in after the registration pack was sent out. maybe the landlord had sent it to the previous tenant who never bothered to register coz they were moving out & never sent it back to the landlord.


    In fairness all round here, the OP signed a lease that said they would pay any water bills if issued on that property. The rights/wrongs of IW isnt really relevant here. Adhering to a signed contract is.


    However OP- I would insist on signing up with IW on your own behalf and not accepting the way the EA is operating. At least that way you get the benefit of the social welfare bribe and not the landlord. Also if the property you live in is a 'flat' type situation, i'd be only paying your share of it...let the other properties deal with their share of it (assuming IW sees it as one property).


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Ok guys- please narrow your contributions to the Original Poster's query/quandry- and do not embark on a mad rambling thread about Irish Water. We have one of those already........


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭burkey2k0


    daheff wrote: »
    Maybe the OP moved in after the registration pack was sent out. maybe the landlord had sent it to the previous tenant who never bothered to register coz they were moving out & never sent it back to the landlord.

    Well that would make it even worse! But I don't believe is the scenario from previous posts. Water now is no different than how you treat any utility bill. From now on when you move into a new place you need to include water in the list of utilities you need to transfer into your own name and require meter readings for.

    It would be akin to moving house and not transferring the electricity into your name and justifying it by saying you're not a fan of the ESB (an exaggeration I know! But analogy is correct)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,971 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    Well that would make it even worse! But I don't believe is the scenario from previous posts. Water now is no different than how you treat any utility bill. From now on when you move into a new place you need to include water in the list of utilities you need to transfer into your own name and require meter readings for.

    It would be akin to moving house and not transferring the electricity into your name and justifying it by saying you're not a fan of the ESB (an exaggeration I know! But analogy is correct)

    yup thats the way this one is rocking im afraid


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭burkey2k0


    This whlole scenario doesn't really add up however. the EA is acting strange by not giving you a copy... And the fact that eviction is being mentioned already?...

    There has to be a piece of this puzzle missing...either from OP or EA

    I mentioned that maybe the LL messed up and didn't forward on the registration pack. But if EA got the pack and not the LL, then they messed up and they might just be trying to cover up their own mess. The mailing address on the bill is important and a reason they won't show it to you possibly?


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Wheelsonthebus


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Some people will just refuse to accept anything that is said about water and the fact that we need to pay for it. They have gone so far now in the protest that not protesting more might be seen as failure, so they will keep going.

    The fact that people got so annoyed over a €160 annual bill baffled me. No protests for the TV licence, or the USC which is a LOT more. Or many other cuts and taxes they could have protested against but some people just got a bee in their bonnet about this.

    You're taking the concessions that they won though, aren't you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,971 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    This whlole scenario doesn't really add up however. the EA is acting strange by not giving you a copy... And the fact that eviction is being mentioned already?...

    There has to be a piece of this puzzle missing...either from OP or EA

    I mentioned that maybe the LL messed up and didn't forward on the registration pack. But if EA got the pack and not the LL, then they messed up and they might just be trying to cover up their own mess. The mailing address on the bill is important and a reason they won't show it to you possibly?

    pieces missing alright. more to the story. pain in the a*se of a situation though


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 dinglebay


    daheff wrote: »
    .....
    General taxation already pays for water charges.


    I'm not against paying for water, but I am against setting up overstaffed, overcosted quangos to do the job inefficiently and ineffectively.

    no it doesn't, and never did. Past governments did transfer some tax income to LAs , part of which was to pay for water services, however - it was never enough, and the LAs never spent enough.
    This is why we have such huge levels of leaks, boil water notices etc.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,971 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    dinglebay wrote: »
    no it doesn't, and never did. Past governments did transfer some tax income to LAs , part of which was to pay for water services, however - it was never enough, and the LAs never spent enough.
    This is why we have such huge levels of leaks, boil water notices etc.

    spot on but both of you have good points


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    OP, I see a nice payout in your future if you are evicted due to your refusal to pay a bill in the landlords name.


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭burkey2k0


    mikom wrote: »
    OP, I see a nice payout in your future if you are evicted due to your refusal to pay a bill in the landlords name.

    But what if OP never registered? How is that the Landlord's fault?

    The way it stands at the moment I see the landlord in a better position for any payouts, be it for the original bill, a ruling by the PRTB, or small claims. But not by much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Wheelsonthebus


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    But what if OP never registered? How is that the Landlord's fault?

    The way it stands at the moment I see the landlord in a better position for any payouts, be it for the original bill, a ruling by the PRTB, or small claims. But not by much.

    Bill isn't in OP's name


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭burkey2k0


    Bill isn't in OP's name

    Okay, so in this scenario:

    I move into your rental property and become your tenant. But I don't transfer the utilities into my name. In next month's round of bills they will all be in your name, despite them being for my usage.

    Do you think I'm due a massive payout in this situation after you insist I transfer the utilities into my name or face eviction?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    But what if OP never registered? How is that the Landlord's fault?

    The way it stands at the moment I see the landlord in a better position for any payouts, be it for the original bill, a ruling by the PRTB, or small claims. But not by much.

    How? The bill never went to the tenant, Obviously to another address, And it doesn't have his name on it either. How could anyone award anything to anyone for that.

    The LL needs to say he doesn't live there IW can send out a pack to the address and the tenant can sign up.

    I can guarantee even the people saying pay up or get out, if someone said here's a bill not in your name you would not pay it.

    Sure he should ring the LL and ask him is there any other bills in his name & address he'd like to pay.


  • Moderators Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭The_Morrigan


    Folks I don't know how many times a mod has to intervene here before you actually pay attention - this is not a general Water Charges discussion thread. This is a very specific issue related to the OP and their specific circumstances. If you can't post in relation to that then don't post at all.

    Any further breaches of this rule will result in sanctions being applied, there will be no more warnings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Wheelsonthebus


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    Okay, so in this scenario:

    I move into your rental property and become your tenant. But I don't transfer the utilities into my name. In next month's round of bills they will all be in your name, despite them being for my usage.

    Do you think I'm due a massive payout in this situation after you insist I transfer the utilities into my name or face eviction?

    Dont you end your contract with the provider when the lease ends/ when you move out of the property?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,500 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    As a tenant you have no right to stand your ground and refuse to pay bills.
    You need to pay any and all bills related to staying in your accommodation and refusing to do so is stupid. Its going to cost you more than 65 to move house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭burkey2k0


    Dont you end your contract with the provider when the lease ends/ when you move out of the property?

    Yes, as long as you provide a last meter reading. But I don't think you can just close a utilities account. I think you need to transfer it to another name...someone correct me if I'm wrong please.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Wheelsonthebus


    As a tenant you have no right to stand your ground and refuse to pay bills.
    You need to pay any and all bills related to staying in your accommodation and refusing to do so is stupid. Its going to cost you more than 65 to move house.

    Bill isn't in the OPs name. Landlord had the facility/recourse to pass on the OPs details to Irish Water and the matter would be over as far as the landlord was concerned. He chose not to do this.

    The Landlord, for some strange reason, decided to register himself for the property.

    Then got a bill in his own name.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    burkey2k0 wrote: »
    Okay, so in this scenario:

    I move into your rental property and become your tenant. But I don't transfer the utilities into my name. In next month's round of bills they will all be in your name, despite them being for my usage.

    Do you think I'm due a massive payout in this situation after you insist I transfer the utilities into my name or face eviction?

    Works both ways. The landlord would be contacting utility company with final reading, change of name, etc.

    Need OP to clarify what happened to original Irish water registration form.


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