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Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Devastator wrote: »
    The ref must have been miles away

    I don't mind so much, it doesn't look as bad as the Henderson punch on Bisping imo

    Some scientist needs to come up with a way to measure all these things so they can be properly compared, if its definitely dangerous ban it


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,802 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    The ref must have been miles away

    I don't mind so much, it doesn't look as bad as the Henderson punch on Bisping imo

    Some scientist needs to come up with a way to measure all these things so they can be properly compared, if its definitely dangerous ban it

    Of course it's dangerous. No way in hell can a punch generate as much power as a soccer kick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    Also apart from a punch not being as powerful as a kick Bisping's head was against the mat with Hendo's fist coming straight down so there was very little room for the head and neck to move. Whereas this kick as you can see snapped the fighters neck and head way to the side. I'm surprised its allowed as there could be broken necks or anything from a kick like this.

    There have been plenty of tests done to measure the effect of whiplash which would be along the same lines. I don't see too many companies paying to test it further though to apply it to MMA. It wouldn't make much sense in them paying for something to have to ban on themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    F**K THE DOUBLE POSTS!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Of course it's dangerous. No way in hell can a punch generate as much power as a soccer kick.
    It's mma everything is dangerous. I'd prefer to see it measured to see how dangerous to be honest, for most mma soccer kicks the leg travels a pretty short arc which will limit the power quite a bit. Like kicking a football if you stand beside the ball and make a small draw back on your leg you get a lot less power than taking a step up to it with a long foot arc and if a fighter is open to being hit from the second type of kick the fight should probably have been stopped already.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Devastator wrote: »
    F**K THE DOUBLE POSTS!
    I think it's the quick reply that causes the double posts?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,802 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    It's mma everything is dangerous. I'd prefer to see it measured to see how dangerous to be honest, for most mma soccer kicks the leg travels a pretty short arc which will limit the power quite a bit. Like kicking a football if you stand beside the ball and make a small draw back on your leg you get a lot less power than taking a step up to it with a long foot arc and if a fighter is open to being hit from the second type of kick the fight should probably have been stopped already.

    Yes for most mma soccer kicks the arc is short. But who's gonna say or control the potential for a roberto Carlos type free kick to the head of a downed opponent. Ban them all together. Too Much potential for some serious injury


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Of course it's dangerous. No way in hell can a punch generate as much power as a soccer kick.
    That Hendo punch on Bisping was probably the exception. It was the entire weight of him falling to the ground channeled through his fist as well as the force he was putting behind it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    It's mma everything is dangerous. I'd prefer to see it measured to see how dangerous to be honest, for most mma soccer kicks the leg travels a pretty short arc which will limit the power quite a bit. Like kicking a football if you stand beside the ball and make a small draw back on your leg you get a lot less power than taking a step up to it with a long foot arc and if a fighter is open to being hit from the second type of kick the fight should probably have been stopped already.

    Not necessarily and again theres no way to measure so an outright ban would be easiest. You can get a lot of power into a kick with a relatively short backswing by getting your hips swinging into it. Its about technique and sometimes about if someone grows up playing football. Aldo would be the last UFC fighter I'd want kicking me in the head, apparently he played football growing up(its Brazil, og course he did lol) but you can see a much smoother,pwoerful kick because of it.
    I think it's the quick reply that causes the double posts?

    really? I'll try & remember not to use it again


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I still have some thoughts on the above but no point in dragging it out I guess, unless anyone wants to?

    Great knockout by Daley in Bellator, but the main talking point that I saw has to be the beard of that ref!

    link to fights


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    I still have some thoughts on the above but no point in dragging it out I guess, unless anyone wants to?

    Great knockout by Daley in Bellator, but the main talking point that I saw has to be the beard of that ref!

    link to fights


    Nah, I'm happy leaving it with I'm right :P work away, its good to actually have a discussion on this forum and people giving reasons to why they have an opinion. Seems something of a novelty recently with most discussions turning into "No, you're wrong" with no talk as to why :confused:

    I seen Daley's KO on a jumpy twitter video earlier. Looked like to just glanched off the chin but it was enough to finish it. Ryan Couture took a bad looking KO.

    Is this the ref you mean? I've seen him on Bellator before, Beltran I thinks his name :D He's getting ready for a career in a ZZ Top tribute band after he finishes in MMA
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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Jep that's the guy, reminds me of a viking :D

    On the subject of soccer kicks... well I googled around a bit and I didn't find anything conclusive, which is the problem really, instead I found a couple of vauge and not all that scientific articles on the subject of power generated by kicks, punches etc, not that power is the be all and end all, Dev you mentioned whiplash effect above which is of course very important, but to look at power first as the starting point, I found an article from Doctor Ben of mmajunkie fame suggesting the neck can be broken with 1000-800 pounds of forcelink, it also states an elite soccer player can generate 1200 pounds force, so ok, we see quickly soccer kicks could be very dangerous..

    but here is also a video of Rampage generating 1800 pounds force off of a hook punch, so with a quick look, should Rampage be banned from throwing punches incase he hits someone's neck? link Of course that's way too simple an analysis and maybe a little facetious.. but that's why I'd rather see a proper scientific analysis of what is dangerous and how dangerous, factoring in things like whiplash effect and concussion damage and I believe it would be possible if someone spent the time and money to do it. Also like you said above, the promotions themselves might not have much interest in doing it at the moment, but they probably should before they get hit with a load of concussion lawsuits like the NFL have

    Just to sum up where I stand, do I think soccer kicks are dangerous? Yes. However, I think MMA is a dangerous sport, and if something is to be banned because it is dangerous then I think it is important to qualify how dangerous it is and make sure any ban is applied properly and evenly across the board, and avoid banning something because it might look bad, while allowing strikes that might actually be more dangerous in terms of damage but not appearance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    You need to be careful though when comparing Rampage throwing a punch to a standing opponent. That means the body/neck/head are free to move without any restriction(the head moves and the body will follow). Whereas a kick to someone's head while they are on the ground their body will basically stay static while their neck & head moves violently which is where I believe the real danger comes into it.

    I remember watching something about it years ago. From what I remember it looked very similar to that sports science show so it could be another episode or a similar program.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    Bellator sign Bendo!

    Surprising move. I thought he was letting his contract run out to try and get more money out of the UFC adn thought he would re-sign


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    Bellator sign Bendo!

    Surprising move. I thought he was letting his contract run out to try and get more money out of the UFC adn thought he would re-sign


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Sterling will go next I'd imagine, would love to see him fight bibiano though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    This is just the start of it I reckon.

    For people who are already an established name like Henderson the draw of being to have personal sponsorships on top of better fighter pay is just too much. The money behind Bellator is ridiculous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    ASOT wrote: »
    Sterling will go next I'd imagine, would love to see him fight bibiano though.

    could be sooner rather than later. I didn't realise he was out of contract.

    https://twitter.com/FunkMaster_UFC/status/694231904351080448
    This is just the start of it I reckon.

    For people who are already an established name like Henderson the draw of being to have personal sponsorships on top of better fighter pay is just too much. The money behind Bellator is ridiculous.

    Think anyone is absolutely right for wanting to get the most money they can, afterall its a relatively short career. If I was a fighter I think I would have reservations over bellator just because of their marketing techniques and some of the cards they put on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    I think mma.tv might be keeping an eye on this forum :eek: because they run an article about leg kicks and even included a sports science episode a few days ago :D Not on the subject of headkicks but the pressure generated by kicks and to see if kicks were strong enough to snap a baseball bat.

    Mel Melcor,Muai Thai, was able to generate 4X as much pressure as the MLS(soccer/football) player :eek:

    http://www.mma.tv/stand-up/muay-thai/thai-fighter-generates-1000-lbs-of-force-and-kicks-through-a-bat/


  • Registered Users Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    Some cracking performances over the weekend. Pitbull's KO of Ryan Couture was vicious as fúck. The way Couture's body just fell limp to the canvas was insane.

    Paul Daley's hook from hell was a thing of beauty and I can't believe that I'm excited for a Koscheck/Daley fight in 2016!! :pac:

    However, my performance of the weekend came from ONE FC on Friday. It'll probably go unnoticed but this is 33 seconds of absolute mauling with pretty much all facets of MMA on show in such a short space of time. Well worth a watch.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,829 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Mayhem Miller has signed to Venator FC in Italy and will be facing Luke Barnatt. In one way, this might be good for Mayhem to get focused on training instead of his usual everyday MANIACAL shenanigans but it could just be a disaster for him as well.

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/9/10951184/luke-barnatt-vs-jason-mayhem-miller-booked-for-venator-fc-iii

    Edit: Oh Jesus, just found this. Not only does he sound like an 80 year old smoker, he doesn't know who (Josh Barnatt) or where (ve..ve...ve??) he is fighting....I know he's a messer but he really did go off the deep end over the last couple of years so it's hard to tell where the messing ends and the insanity begins.

    This video is all kinds of WTF!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Zero-Cool wrote: »
    Mayhem Miller has signed to Venator FC in Italy and will be facing Luke Barnatt. In one way, this might be good for Mayhem to get focused on training instead of his usual everyday MANIACAL shenanigans but it could just be a disaster for him as well.

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/9/10951184/luke-barnatt-vs-jason-mayhem-miller-booked-for-venator-fc-iii

    Edit: Oh Jesus, just found this. Not only does he sound like an 80 year old smoker, he doesn't know who (Josh Barnatt) or where (ve..ve...ve??) he is fighting....I know he's a messer but he really did go off the deep end over the last couple of years so it's hard to tell where the messing ends and the insanity begins.

    This video is all kinds of WTF!


    He probably won't get a visa considering badly he **** he's been in trouble with, another person who shouldn't be fighting anymore. His bizarre interview on the hbo doc about domestic violence in mma was ridulous, his stand off with police was entertaining though. He's not right in the head at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,829 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Aaaaaannnndddd Mayhem was arrested today for DUI.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    Zero-Cool wrote: »
    Aaaaaannnndddd Mayhem was arrested today for DUI.....

    Has there been anybody else that has come close to living up to their fight nickname. What an absolute mentaller.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    The Bellator press conference is live now with gracie Ken dada and Kimbo and it's the most cringiest thing I have ever seen in my life, embarrassing for the sport.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Absolute freak show im in stitches watching it


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,829 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Must give it a look later but it couldn't be as embarrassing as Dada's open workout. Looked like he actually gassed after 3 punches.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    Whe the f is Dada 5000 ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    Didn't watch it but read Kimbo challenged Dada to a bigger d*ck contest? :confused: kinda sums up just about everything bellator related IMO.

    I think this promotion is damaging MMA with fiasco and fiasco that they put on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Devastator wrote: »
    Didn't watch it but read Kimbo challenged Dada to a bigger d*ck contest? :confused: kinda sums up just about everything bellator related IMO.

    I think this promotion is damaging MMA with fiasco and fiasco that they put on

    Agreed.

    They are in the best position to challenge the UFC's dominance, yet Coker just can't resist this kind of BS.


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