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Albert Johnson

Hard Knocks wrote: »

He’s almost 12 months, probably a bit old for squeezing now

Possibly although I'd go more by strength and weight as opposed to age when it comes to squeezing, I guarantee that you'll see stock with the same DOB at sub 300kg and they'll be squeezed. If you only have the one then I'd leave him be and sell shortly, I can't see much of a rise coming in these sorts and age will soon come against him. There's one time to sell weanlings and that's circa 300 kg imo, after that you'd want to keep to finish or your only being a busy fool with the way the trade is gone.

Bass Reeves

Hard Knocks wrote: »

He’s almost 12 months, probably a bit old for squeezing now

my young lad who is in Australia has squeezed them at 450-480 kgs. You need to have someone to hold the tail. Not as bad as you think to do. As bull is taller in the crush not as bad on your back to hold him.. Young lad says its easier to find tge blood vessels. You can also band them but we always squeeze them no matter the weight..

Albert Johnson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

my young lad who is in Australia has squeezed them at 450-480 kgs. You need to have someone to hold the tail. Not as bad as you think to do. As bull is taller in the crush not as bad on your back to hold him.. Young lad says its easier to find tge blood vessels. You can also band them but we always squeeze them no matter the weight..

I often give a local dealer a hand when he's squeezing large bunches of weanlings for selling to summer grazers at this time of year. He'd chance squeezing up to near 500kg although some of them do swell up considerably even with an injection of pen strep. It's usually easier to hold the bigger one's but a man on the tail is almost always necessary regardless of size imo. We often done 40+ weanlings of a morning and there'd nearly always a few very wild lads on the bunch.

Albert Johnson

Seeing as we're on the subject of castration what do lads recommend as the best anesthetic for use when required at such jobs? I think pain control is an integral part of any procedure to help with minimizing the check in performance usually experienced.

jaymla627

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Seeing as we're on the subject of castration what do lads recommend as the best anesthetic for use when required at such jobs? I think pain control is an integral part of any procedure to help with minimizing the check in performance usually experienced.

Loxicom expensive but a brilliant painkiller

Albert Johnson

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Seeing as we're on the subject of castration what do lads recommend as the best anesthetic for use when required at such jobs? I think pain control is an integral part of any procedure to help with minimizing the check in performance usually experienced.

I have been ridiculed before for trying to make that point - by a vet, who never uses anaesthetic for squeezing.

I don't know if there's any evidence of a link between performance and pain management, but I just hate seeing it done without any pain relief. It's just not appropriate, when such medications and cheap and easy to procure.

Westernrock

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I have been ridiculed before for trying to make that point - by a vet, who never uses anaesthetic for squeezing.

I don't know if there's any evidence of a link between performance and pain management, but I just hate seeing it done without any pain relief. It's just not appropriate, when such medications and cheap and easy to procure.

I wouldn’t like to be the vet that is doing castrations without some form of anaesthetic/pain relief. It’s illegal once over 6months to do it without it, technically it is a vet only job when they are over 6months. Heard that a lot of cross compliance checks in this area were making a point of asking what anaesthetic was used for castrations...

Taken from the paper linked below:

“4 What are the legal requirements when castrating animals?
In Ireland, use of anaesthesia is required for surgical/ Burdizzo castration of cattle over six months of age (Protection of Animals [Amendment] Act 1965 [S.I. 10 of 1965]; Oireachtas, 1965). Rubber ring castration (or use
of other devices for constricting the flow of blood to the scrotum) without use of anaesthesia can only be performed in calves less than seven days of age (Oireachtas (Ireland), 1965)]. Where anaesthesia is required for castration, the procedure must be performed by a veterinary practitioner.”

https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/animals/beef/Dehorning.pdf

Westernrock

Westernrock wrote: »

“4 What are the legal requirements when castrating animals?
In Ireland, use of anaesthesia is required for surgical/ Burdizzo castration of cattle over six months of age (Protection of Animals [Amendment] Act 1965 [S.I. 10 of 1965]; Oireachtas, 1965). Rubber ring castration (or use
of other devices for constricting the flow of blood to the scrotum) without use of anaesthesia can only be performed in calves less than seven days of age (Oireachtas (Ireland), 1965)]. Where anaesthesia is required for castration, the procedure must be performed by a veterinary practitioner.”

https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/animals/beef/Dehorning.pdf

In this case, the vet in question has scarce regard for the law.

It wasn't until I was about 16 years of age, I realised TB testing is supposed to involve a calipers! He used to just walk up and down the crush calling out random numbers (size of bumps) for the recording machine - I imagine that's a common practice, too.

Anyway, that's a bit OT. Have the fortune/ misfortune of having a vet in the family these days, so some jobs can be done cheaper, but we're also the guinea pigs in every new practice or procedure.

To get back on topic - is it my imagination or did there used to be an evening broadcast of prices from the marts around the country? It was on the radio, I think - RTE Drivetime or its equivalent.

Pidae.m

I think cork marts still have one at night on county sound.... A mart report that is.

kk.man

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In this case, the vet in question has scarce regard for the law.

It wasn't until I was about 16 years of age, I realised TB testing is supposed to involve a calipers! He used to just walk up and down the crush calling out random numbers (size of bumps) for the recording machine - I imagine that's a common practice, too.

Anyway, that's a bit OT. Have the fortune/ misfortune of having a vet in the family these days, so some jobs can be done cheaper, but we're also the guinea pigs in every new practice or procedure.

To get back on topic - is it my imagination or did there used to be an evening broadcast of prices from the marts around the country? It was on the radio, I think - RTE Drivetime or its equivalent.

Yes it was on RTE...It was called Landmart...I'm showing my age.

Base price

kk.man wrote: »

Yes it was on RTE...It was called Landmart...I'm showing my age.

Actually Landmart was an agricultural programme which was half an hour long and it was followed by Mart and Markets which was a short five minute roundup of mart prices presented by the late Michael (Cowjack) Dillon.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Base price wrote: »

Actually Landmart was an agricultural programme which was half an hour long and it was followed by Mart and Markets which was a short five minute roundup of mart prices presented by the late Michael (Cowjack) Dillon.

In fairness, that has to be the best nickname ever:pac:

Mac Taylor

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In this case, the vet in question has scarce regard for the law.

It wasn't until I was about 16 years of age, I realised TB testing is supposed to involve a calipers! He used to just walk up and down the crush calling out random numbers (size of bumps) for the recording machine - I imagine that's a common practice, too.

Anyway, that's a bit OT. Have the fortune/ misfortune of having a vet in the family these days, so some jobs can be done cheaper, but we're also the guinea pigs in every new practice or procedure.

To get back on topic - is it my imagination or did there used to be an evening broadcast of prices from the marts around the country? It was on the radio, I think - RTE Drivetime or its equivalent.

Whatever about castrating bulls, I can tell you what you said about tb testing is not the case around here. There’s enough fake news about farming without adding to it.

patsy_mccabe

Vets can tell the thickness of skin by just handling it. I doubt it if they called out random numbers.

hopeso

kk.man wrote: »

Yes it was on RTE...It was called Landmart...I'm showing my age.

Maybe you're not as old as me.....Was it not called Landmark?

wrangler

hopeso wrote: »

Maybe you're not as old as me.....Was it not called Landmark?

That's what I thought it was too..... justin keatin was on it for a while

kk.man

wrangler wrote: »

That's what I thought it was too..... justin keatin was on it for a while

Landmart?

wrangler

kk.man wrote: »

Landmart?

Landmark

wrangler

On mature reflection.........Telefis feirme was the program that justin keatin was on, he was a vet

kk.man

kk.man wrote: »

Landmart?

Googled it...Mart & Market...

Don't know why landmart is in my head.

charolais0153

kk.man wrote: »

Googled it...Mart & Market...

Don't know why landmart is in my head.

https://youtu.be/IgLUIHcA_UA

High bike

kk.man wrote: »

Googled it...Mart & Market...

Don't know why landmart is in my head.

presented by Michael Dillon if I’m not mistaken:D

lalababa

Not much on TV now for the farmers, mind you if they had a Mart program now twouldnt be too exciting.

Albert Johnson

lalababa wrote: »

Not much on TV now for the farmers, mind you if they had a Mart program now twouldnt be too exciting.

Does anyone watch the live marts broadcast on farmers forum? The general cattle sale in Ballymahon is uploaded to YouTube most weeks and is usually a good indication of the store trade for continentals.

memorystick

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Whatever about castrating bulls, I can tell you what you said about tb testing is not the case around here. There’s enough fake news about farming without adding to it.

Our old vet never used a calipers. It's not fake news.

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

Our old vet never used a calipers. It's not fake news.

After testing even a thousand cattle, a vet should be able to flag potential reactors without calipers,
Our vet would always rub his hand on the neck and measure only a few lumps, everything used to be slaughtered here and would've shown up if he missed one, but it was never the case

Katie 2018

We're be my best option for 6 year lim stock bull.tested infertile.mart or factory.have to weigh him would be round 850 900kg.wat he be worth

tanko

A neighbour sold a three year old mostly red Lim bull last week in the mart, 900kgs €1440.

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

After testing even a thousand cattle, a vet should be able to flag potential reactors without calipers,
Our vet would always rub his hand on the neck and measure only a few lumps, everything used to be slaughtered here and would've shown up if he missed one, but it was never the case

Your vet wouldn't do that if there was a Veterinary Inspector on a visit. He'd find himself struck off pretty sharpish.

Of course it happens. And yes, a vet will usually touch the neck, and resort to calipers if something out-of-the-ordinary appears. But that's not a safe practice, and I would indeed call the numbers random, because nobody can claim to be able to measure a bump in mm by handling it with their palms. Frankly it isn't good enough when so many farmers have faced massive economic hardship after going down to TB.

bosallagh88

Theheff wrote: »

For an ordinary farmer id agree but for the guys you have contracts with the factory I am sure would do better. I believe they are up to 30 to 40 cents per kg over base price.

Would it be as much as this i was thinking around 20 cents for regulars ?