A chance to scrap the Angelus - Nutella, Croissants and Pineapples.

Zamboni

Tell them.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PssOption2English

Takes 5 minutes.

Hoagy

Thanks for that.
Five minutes?
Took me half an hour.

Staph

Took me a bit too, but glad I got a chance to comment.

Kidchameleon

I have a quicker way, change the channel :-)

rughdh

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I have a quicker way, change the channel :-)

How about we include the Muslim call to prayer and other prompts to pray for all religions in existence? And sure, can't we just change the channel for them too?

robindch

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I have a quicker way, change the channel :-)

And aren't there plenty of Educate Together schools that all the non-religious can go to? Sure what's the harm?

bpmurray

robindch wrote: »

And aren't there plenty of Educate Together schools that all the non-religious can go to? Sure what's the harm?

Actually there are zero non-religious schools in Ireland. Even ET is multi-denominational rather than non-denominational although, to be fair, they do act more like non-denominational.

However, all of the places in ET schools are being taken by the religious and non-Catholics can't get into other schools because of their discriminatory practices.

magicbastarder

i have an ideal solution. as well as broadcasting the angelus on RTE1, they should broadcast it on RTE2 simultaneously - but with the audio track phase inverted.
that way, their *combined* output is one minute of silence.

realdanbreen

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I have a quicker way, change the channel :-)

Hear Hear!
Imagine being that pernickity that having the angelus on telly bugs you. Sad really.

Zamboni

realdanbreen wrote: »

Hear Hear!
Imagine being that pernickity that having the angelus on telly bugs you. Sad really.

Imagine both paying state taxes and a license fee which are then used to pay for advertising of an iron age belief system during prime evening viewing time Every. Single. Day. Of. The. Year.
Sad really.

Jimmy Bottlehead

realdanbreen wrote: »

Hear Hear!
Imagine being that pernickity that having the angelus on telly bugs you. Sad really.

The sadder part is the desire for people to hear a clanging bell with a plethora of confused folk staring into the distance on their TV every single evening.

Makes loads of sense.

Delirium

realdanbreen wrote: »

Hear Hear!
Imagine being that pernickity that having the angelus on telly bugs you. Sad really.

the outrage!!

license payers making use of a feedback survey to suggest changes they would like to see on the publicly funded television station.

Sam Kade

It's only a minute ffs, who watches rte at 6pm anyway?

boombang

Doesn't take that long to fill the survey. There are 26 questions. You can skip through if you wanted and just leave the comment to get rid of the Angelus.

Aiel

Its 1 minute out of your life,big deal.
I like the minute to stop and pause during a busy day. Your wish for it to not be broadcast is as valid as my wish that it should be broadcast. Live and let Live!!
Why not just change the channel??:)

PopePalpatine

Aiel wrote: »

Its 1 minute out of your life,big deal.
I like the minute to stop and pause during a busy day. Your wish for it to not be broadcast is as valid as my wish that it should be broadcast. Live and let Live!!
Why not just change the channel??:)

I take it you don't mind RTE being interrupted five more times a day for the Islamic call to prayer, then? After all, you can just change the channel.

robindch

Aiel wrote: »

Your wish for it to not be broadcast is as valid as my wish that it should be broadcast. Live and let Live!!

Grand, if the RCC is allowed to broadcast its call to prayer on national television, then RTE should either (a) allow all other religious beliefs and non-beliefs to broadcast something of their choice too; or (b) stop allowing the RCC to broadcast its call to prayer.

What it can't do is provide privileged access to one group while denying access to everybody else.

Velvet shank

Sam Kade wrote: »

It's only a minute ffs, who watches rte at 6pm anyway?

nobody...because they know well to avoid the dreadful racket taking place

K4t

Aiel wrote: »

Its 1 minute out of your life,big deal.
I like the minute to stop and pause during a busy day. Your wish for it to not be broadcast is as valid as my wish that it should be broadcast. Live and let Live!!
Why not just change the channel??:)

This is the problem, and the argument put forward by supporters of the angelus which seems practical and fair; except it's not. You can enjoy the angelus and still see how it makes sense for it to be scrapped, similar to how one can be religious and still support separation of church and state.

fisgon

Aiel wrote: »

Your wish for it to not be broadcast is as valid as my wish that it should be broadcast.

No it's not, and this is the point. RTE is a state broadcaster, in a (supposedly) secular state, promoting one particular religion by having space for a catholic prayer twice a day. This is the problem. It is not a catholic station and yet is promoting catholicism, even if it is only for a couple of minutes a day.

Hotblack Desiato

There is a lot more 'religious programming'* than the two minutes a day. Masses/services, Would You Believe, that Gay Byrne yoke, etc. Joe Duffy where anyone who says they don't want to send their child to a catholic school / do catholic sacraments is portrayed as some sort of sociopath.


* programmes in the schedule which are religious, not programming minds with religion - or is it?

Sam Kade

Velvet shank wrote: »

nobody...because they know well to avoid the dreadful racket taking place

So what's all the fuss about then?

Cabaal

Aiel wrote: »

Its 1 minute out of your life,big deal.
I like the minute to stop and pause during a busy day. Your wish for it to not be broadcast is as valid as my wish that it should be broadcast. Live and let Live!!
Why not just change the channel??:)

What do you think about replacing it with the Muslim call to prayer? Would you be so understanding and accepting then?

You can still stop and pause for that one min

realdanbreen

robindch wrote: »

Grand, if the RCC is allowed to broadcast its call to prayer on national television, then RTE should either (a) allow all other religious beliefs and non-beliefs to broadcast something of their choice too; or (b) stop allowing the RCC to broadcast its call to prayer.

What it can't do is provide privileged access to one group while denying access to everybody else.

If you as an atheist have a suggestion of something that sums you up then why not let RTE know what it is.

PopePalpatine

Do you have anything other than catty remarks?

pauldla

realdanbreen wrote: »

If you as an atheist have a suggestion of something that sums you up then why not let RTE know what it is.

Link to petition to scrap Angelus is in the first post on this thread.

realdanbreen

Cabaal wrote: »

What do you think about replacing it with the Muslim call to prayer? Would you be so understanding and accepting then?

You can still stop and pause for that one min

I would have no problem with the muslim call to prayer.What I do have a problem with is when people go out of their way to feel offended.

realdanbreen

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Do you have anything other than catty remarks?

What do you mean?

PopePalpatine

Your crappy one-liners, obviously.

realdanbreen

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There is a lot more 'religious programming'* than the two minutes a day. Masses/services, Would You Believe, that Gay Byrne yoke, etc. Joe Duffy where anyone who says they don't want to send their child to a catholic school / do catholic sacraments is portrayed as some sort of sociopath.


* programmes in the schedule which are religious, not programming minds with religion - or is it?

But you are living in a country that is 96% Christian. Are you suggesting the 1% that are non believers should dictate to the rest of the country?

realdanbreen

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Your crappy one-liners, obviously.

Like the angelus on TV, you could choose not to read them but then again I get the feeling that you prefer to feel offended by them.

silverharp

realdanbreen wrote: »

I would have no problem with the muslim call to prayer.What I do have a problem with is when people go out of their way to feel offended.

the definition of offended is "resentful or annoyed, typically as a result of a perceived insult." I dont see anyone saying they are being insulted, more so that its viewed as being either sectarian or promoting Catholicism

robindch

realdanbreen wrote: »

But you are living in a country that is 96% Christian. Are you suggesting the 1% that are non believers should dictate to the rest of the country?

Dan - do you intend to continue supporting an irrelevant point with false statistics, or do you want to address the actual issue at hand, that of unequal treatment by a state/semi-state body?

Kidchameleon

The Angelus is there because the majority of R.T.E.'s viewers want it there. This survey/petition is not going to be worth the paper its printed on. If the majority of R.T.E.'s viewers were Muslim I would expect to see some sort of Muslim programming. If I didn't like it, I would change the channel. My five minutes filling out the petition would be much better served doing something useful like, say, email my local TD about indoctrination in schools. Moaning about 120 seconds of "BONG BONG...." makes people look petty. Most of the programs on R.T.E. are non religious, some could be considered blasphemous. I think its a fairly balanced schedule to be fair to them. Yes its the state broadcaster and in a state full of Catholics one must expect some Catholic TV. 120 seconds is not much really when you consider there are 86,398 more in the day. Why should my license fee go towards religious programming? Well I'm a vegetarian so should I complain when I see meat on R.T.E.? I think horse racing is cruel, should I complain about that? We can moan about petty things till the cows come home but in the end its better to just live and let live.

Delirium

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The Angelus is there because the majority of R.T.E.'s viewers want it there.

Do you have a source for that claim? Was there a poll carried out recently?

Kidchameleon

SW wrote: »

Do you have a source for that claim? Was there a poll carried out recently?

No I don't have a source, its an assumption.

galljga1

realdanbreen wrote: »

I would have no problem with the muslim call to prayer.What I do have a problem with is when people go out of their way to feel offended.

You have just offended me.

Kermit.de.frog

Told them not to change it. Clearly some don't have enough to worry about in their lives.

pauldla

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Told them not to change it. Clearly some don't have enough to worry about in their lives.

And yet you were worried enough to tell them not to change it? :pac:

who the fug

Get rid of RTE all together there is no need or point in a public broadcaster in this day and age.

If people want it, let them subscribe to it.

magicbastarder

i would suspect approaching the BAI would be a more fruitful method than a survey on RTE, largely because the number of complaints they get through the survey would probably be quite small.
if the BAI enforce a 'equal time to all arguments' approach on issues like SSM, why not try to get their response on an argument that the angelus is a violation of that same principle.

galljga1

What really annoys me about the angelus is that I change back to 2 FM at 18:00 before the first bell chimes. Then in the morning, when I am getting the kids ready for school, I realise that something is annoying the behesus out of me (apart from the kids). Its bloody breakfast republic. Change back to RTE1 and start the cycle all over again.

I know, there are more than two radio stations and I have that internet thing.

pauldla

who the fug wrote: »

Get rid of RTE all together there is no need or point in a public broadcaster in this day and age.

If people want it, let them subscribe to it.

That is actually a good idea. Let those who want it subscribe to a national channel dedicated to religious programming, and light entertainment. It could be called Religion Television and Entertainment.

Oh.

Lucena

realdanbreen wrote: »

But you are living in a country that is 96% Christian. Are you suggesting the 1% that are non believers should dictate to the rest of the country?

Impressive figures, where did you get them from?

galljga1

Lucena wrote: »

Impressive figures, where did you get them from?

According to the 2011 census 84% are catholic, 30% of whom go to mass weekly, 3% daily.

Non Christian religions and no religions are approx 9.5%

robindch

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The [...] live and let live.

Do you want to address the actual issue at hand, that of unequal treatment by a state/semi-state body?

Mr. CooL ICE

Was thinking that people who want to opt out of the angelus should have the 1 minute per day of their years worth of TV license refunded. Turns out it works out at only 11c

galljga1

robindch wrote: »

Do you want to address the actual issue at hand, that of unequal treatment by a state/semi-state body?

Be careful what you wish for. Personally I have no desire to hear the angelus. I also have no wish to be blasted by the shofar, the adhān, or mantras from various religions of the world.

Kidchameleon

robindch wrote: »

Do you want to address the actual issue at hand, that of unequal treatment by a state/semi-state body?

Have you read the thread title?

Zamboni

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Have you read the thread title?

Have you?
The Angelus is a call to prayer for Catholics.
It is both unconstitutional to be broadcast by RTE and a waste of taxes and license fees.

fisgon

realdanbreen wrote: »

But you are living in a country that is 96% Christian. Are you suggesting the 1% that are non believers should dictate to the rest of the country?

First of all, your stats are wrong.

Secondly, to use your logic, how can divorce be legal? It is clearly against the majority religion in the country. Ditto contraception, sex before marriage, homosexuality........ In fact, how are we even allowed to have a referendum in six weeks time about gay marriage, when such a thing is clearly opposed by the majority Christian churches. Surely, if we are living in 96% Christian country (your made-up figures, not mine), none of these things should be permitted, or even contemplated.