Dunnes Stores strike *** See Mod warning ***

archieknox

What is the general consensus about the action being taken? Will anyone pass the pickets?




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phelixoflaherty

Well done to them, although they have been pushed all the way. No I will not pass

CarrickMcJoe

Won't be passing either, fair play to them.

mikemac1

Good for them, thumbs up from me

super_furry

I'm sure people will pass the pickets <SNIP>

MarkR

super_furry wrote: »

I'm sure people will pass the pickets, <SNIP>.

I won't be passing the picket, but I have a car and the ability to go elsewhere. Passing the picket doesn't make you a scumbag.

Cork Lass

MarkR wrote: »

I won't be passing the picket, but I have a car and the ability to go elsewhere. Passing the picket doesn't make you a scumbag.

To be fair this wasn't just sprung on us today. If some people have nowhere else to shop but Dunnes (highly unlikely) then they could have done it yesterday or could do it tomorrow. I'll be shopping in tesco this week for the stuff I normally get in Dunnes. I'll also go to my local Dunnes on my lunch break to stand there and support the strikers. Good on them.

galljga1

archieknox wrote: »

What is the general consensus about the action being taken? Will anyone pass the pickets?

Where will I get my oranges?

Won't pass picket.

MarkR

Cork Lass wrote: »

To be fair this wasn't just sprung on us today. If some people have nowhere else to shop but Dunnes (highly unlikely) then they could have done it yesterday or could do it tomorrow. I'll be shopping in tesco this week for the stuff I normally get in Dunnes. I'll also go to my local Dunnes on my lunch break to stand there and support the strikers. Good on them.

I agree, there are other places to go, and the strike plans were public for some time. Still doesn't make you a scumbag for passing a picket.

I've been reading on facebook that the Dunnes workers in Shannon were not striking, that they felt they were being treated well. Any strikers outside would not be representing them, but request people shop elsewhere? Third hand info, so apologies for being vague.

efb

No won't pass the picket.

Uncle Ben

Despite all the hype that exists on social media regarding union/non union issues in my experience I think a majority of Irish people actually do respect pickets.

oakshade

I got an email from Dunnes this morning advertising a 20% online sale "today only" - Mmmm

slimjimmc

Staff have the right to picket but people have the right to pass it.
Calling people scumbags or scabs is derogatory, abusive and not acceptable in this thread. Post civilly or not at all.

Teyla Emmagan

I wouldn't judge people for passing the picket, but I support the strikers 100%. Dunnes seem to be a desperate employer.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Supporting the strikers, definitely. Never know when you might have to picket the gate yourself, and you'd be glad of other's support.

Patser

oakshade wrote: »

I got an email from Dunnes this morning advertising a 20% online sale "today only" - Mmmm

Dunnes Facebook page getting some abuse where they advertise this offer.

blue4ever

Least we should forget:

galljga1 wrote: »

Where will I get my oranges?

They have the right to strike and its not as if they are looking (IMO) for something outlandish. They are asking for some stability in their working lives.

I'll get the fruit elsewhere!

Akrasia

I fully support the Dunnes Stores workers.

When a company hires someone, they have a responsibility towards that worker to treat them with respect, just as the worker has a responsibility to his/her employer to do honest work for their pay.

zero hours or wildly fluctiating hours contracts are very unfair on employees, as is their rostering system that does not give the workers adequate notice of when they will be working week on week.

It is totally unacceptable for an employer to call people in the morning of their day off and expect them to come into work, it's also unacceptable to bring someone into work and then tell them that they have to go home because the shop isn't busy and they're not needed.

In other professions where there are requirements to come to work at short notice, employers pay for their workers to be 'on call'. Dunnes doesn't do that. It doesn't pay its workers enough to compensate them for the working conditions it expects of them.

Gatling

And yet thousands apply to work for them every year .
Woder why alot of these staff just don't pack it in and go elsewhere .
It's not as if they have no other options

ebbsy

I know people who left Dunnes because of this issue, so it is happening.

onasis

Gatling wrote: »

And yet thousands apply to work for them every year .
Woder why alot of these staff just don't pack it in and go elsewhere .
It's not as if they have no other options

Some people actually don't have the option - jobs aren't exactly 10 a penny in case you hadn't noticed.

magnethead

WOn't pass the picket either

hdowney

I won't be passing the picket. I'd never pass one. My grandmother would turn in her grave (if she had one!) if I did that. Was raised up in a family to be supportive of workers rights and unions and the like. Think zero hours contracts are disgraceful.

mjsc1970

Wont be passing the picket line. I'll go SuperValu instead.

EndaHonesty

hdowney wrote: »

I won't be passing the picket. I'd never pass one. My grandmother would turn in her grave (if she had one!) if I did that.

OT but I'm just curious. Is your grandmother dead or not?

hdowney

EndaHonesty wrote: »

OT but I'm just curious. Is your grandmother dead or not?

She is. She was cremated though - hence no grave to turn in.

Varik

Will be dropping in on way home, it's the most convenient place for me to stop so won't be changing my plans.

dollyk

Lidl have the same 10 hour contracts, I have 20 in the last year
and im there 9 years. seems to be the norm for most big stores.
And like dunnes they still take on staff, while people there years
begging for more hours .

Streetwalker

Varik wrote: »

Will be dropping in on way home, it's the most convenient place for me to stop so won't be changing my plans.

As is your right.

Won't be passing any picket myself, never have never would. Takes a certain type of human being to pass a picket.

LynnGrace

Never passed a picket, certainly won't, in this case either.

hoodwinked

Gatling wrote: »

And yet thousands apply to work for them every year .
Woder why alot of these staff just don't pack it in and go elsewhere .
It's not as if they have no other options

for most of them there isn't, quite a few would be on the old contracts earning over €10 an hour which goes up annually, if they leave they go back to minimum wage and lose the annual increment contract and therefore a chunk of their wages not to mention it is essentially "a job for life", the new people joining tend to be for the most part college students who come and go once they graduate and don't mind starting on minimum wage.

Valetta

Streetwalker wrote: »

As is your right.

Won't be passing any picket myself, never have never would. Takes a certain type of human being to pass a picket.

Little veiled dig there.

It takes a certain type of person to deliberately sabotage their employers business.

Motley Crue

I'm very confused about the whole passing the picket thing.

Surely the idea of strike action is a suspension of trade, to affect Dunne's management and make them take notice of the economic effect imposed onto them from unhappy or dissatisfied workers?

"Passing the Picket" implies to me that there are Dunnes Stores open today which will accept your trade but surely the Union would have insisted all stores be closed and workers be given the choice to strike or to stay at home?

Or is it workers not in the union who will staff stores while those in the union will picket outside? I think the stores should be closed if staff are striking...

MrWalsh

hdowney wrote: »

Think zero hours contracts are disgraceful.

Correct me if Im wrong, but Dunnes management dont come to peoples homes and force them at gunpoint to come and work for Dunnes on zero hour contracts do they?

People actually voluntarily apply and accept such positions?

Gatling

Streetwalker wrote: »

As is your right.

Won't be passing any picket myself, never have never would. Takes a certain type of human being to pass a picket.

People have a right to make there own discision s personally couldn't give a toss been honest .

Why would anybody stay 10+ years in a job where there is no guarantee of hours just doesn't make sense can't the last few years jobs are harder to get but it hasn't always been like that .

Wonder if cie went on Strike for a month wound people tell their employers I won't be in work for a month because I'm supporting the cie workers .

MrWalsh

Gatling wrote: »

Why would anybody stay 10+ years in a job where there is no guarantee of hours just doesn't make sense can't the last few years jobs are harder to get but it hasn't always been like that .

If someone has been in a job 10+ years then they have had time to train, upskill, educate themselves and find a better job.

Brian?

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Despite all the hype that exists on social media regarding union/non union issues in my experience I think a majority of Irish people actually do respect pickets.

I'm hoping people respect the Dunnes workers right to protest poor conditions whether they support labour Unions or not.

I was just down by Dunnes in Liffey Vally, no one passed that I could see.

Brian?

Gatling wrote: »

Wonder if cie went on Strike for a month wound people tell their employers I won't be in work for a month because I'm supporting the cie workers .

You realise this has happened before?

MrWalsh

Brian? wrote: »

You realise this has happened before?

CIE have gone on strike before and people have used alternative methods to get to work.

ankaragucu

How can Enda Kenny claim to support Dunnes striking workers when he presides over a country that allows the conditions to exist that has resulted in this very strike?
Or are zero hours contracts an EU dictat?

hdowney

Motley Crue wrote: »

I'm very confused about the whole passing the picket thing.

Surely the idea of strike action is a suspension of trade, to affect Dunne's management and make them take notice of the economic effect imposed onto them from unhappy or dissatisfied workers?

"Passing the Picket" implies to me that there are Dunnes Stores open today which will accept your trade but surely the Union would have insisted all stores be closed and workers be given the choice to strike or to stay at home?

Or is it workers not in the union who will staff stores while those in the union will picket outside? I think the stores should be closed if staff are striking...

A mixture of workers not in the union and if necessary they bring in workers just for the day.

MrWalsh wrote: »

Correct me if Im wrong, but Dunnes management dont come to peoples homes and force them at gunpoint to come and work for Dunnes on zero hour contracts do they?

People actually voluntarily apply and accept such positions?

I wouldn't say 'voluntarily' necessarily. If your local Dunnes has jobs on offer - zero hours contract but still 'jobs' on offer, and you are on the dole and don't go for it the dole can cut your money. So lose lose there

MrWalsh

hdowney wrote: »

I wouldn't say 'voluntarily' necessarily. If your local Dunnes has jobs on offer - zero hours contract but still 'jobs' on offer, and you are on the dole and don't go for it the dole can cut your money. So lose lose there

How is it lose lose?

Take the job and continue to look for a new job - a job is still better than the dole right? Continue to upskill, train and educate yourself so that you have better choices in life than the dole or a zero hour contract in Dunnes?

mister gullible

MrWalsh wrote: »

Correct me if Im wrong, but Dunnes management dont come to peoples homes and force them at gunpoint to come and work for Dunnes on zero hour contracts do they?

People actually voluntarily apply and accept such positions?

The more that poor and exploitative practices are tolerated, the more widespread they will become.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

If the strike has the desired affect, does it mean 100 workers on low hours (say 10 hours per week) will be replaced by 25 workers on 40 hours? Resulting in 75 people out of a job?
Genuine question.

Gatling

hdowney wrote: »

A mixture of workers not in the union and if necessary they bring in workers just for the day.



I wouldn't say 'voluntarily' necessarily. If your local Dunnes has jobs on offer - zero hours contract but still 'jobs' on offer, and you are on the dole and don't go for it the dole can cut your money. So lose lose there

Dole only gets cut if it's proven you aren't genuinely looking for work or refuse to engage with them.

Do people on zero hours contract get social welfare top ups ??

EndaHonesty

hdowney wrote: »

She is. She was cremated though - hence no grave to turn in.

Sorry to bring it up. I was just confused by your post. My sincere condolences.

MrWalsh

mister gullible wrote: »

The more that poor and exploitative practices are tolerated, the more widespread they will become.

I dont see anything exploitative about someone accepting a job that they do in exchange for money. People are free to go and look for another job if they dont like the job they are in.

mister gullible

Just as well these contracts aren't practised in the Dail. Imagine telling a bunch of politicians that they aren't needed today and that they can go home. No-one would notice but that's beside the point.

galljga1

MrWalsh wrote: »

CIE have gone on strike before and people have used alternative methods to get to work.

Similarly, people will shop in places other than Dunnes today.

MrWalsh

galljga1 wrote: »

Similarly, people will shop in places other than Dunnes today.

Exactly. And some will shop in Dunnes or buy online from Dunnes. People are free to do whatever they want.

sleepyheadh

Is it just me that would feel literally nothing as I "passed the Picket"?

How else will I buy my easter eggs?