Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

WeleaseWoderick

ShadowHearth wrote: »

For portable system I got already some questions. If it is portable like this, then will it have some hdmi out port? I used to bring my ps3 to my buddies place, order pizzas, buy vodka and play some metal twister, taken or army of 2. If it works on tv only with that cradle, then it's such a missed opportunity.

The more I've thought about this and the fact that the dual screen option isn't there with the dock as is, I can see there being some way of the tablet being able to stream to a tv without the dock (via a hdmi dongle type thing).

Not having the dual screen setup for stuff like Mario Maker or Splatoon would seem like a massive oversight so that's what I'm thinking there's definitely more than we've seen.

death1234567

Oafley Jones wrote: »

How do Nintendo envisage people using this thing day to day. I'm guessing after the initial excitement of messing around most machines will live almost exclusively as a handheld or a console.

From watching the trailer it looks like something that would be used only as a handheld. Why would you ever bother plugging it into your TV? Also the "Mini" controllers don't look too appealing at all. As for 3rd party support, well we've heard it all before. Nintendo will pay for a few launch titles and the odd franchise title to do a terrible port but other than that it'll be non existent. Another miss from Nintendo.

*Interesting to see that they haven't jumped on the VR bandwagon...

Akrasia

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/789289178684981248


Tsk.

It would be pretty ironic if they region locked it given that their reveal ad focuses on how great it would be while you're travelling on airplanes...

Varik

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It's a bit of a weird one:

Absence of kids in the ad and grown up industrial design say a lot I think.

It wasn't the 20/30 year old roof top party basketball player buying 3ds' that let it hit 60m, I'd say the ad is just focused to those who would be watching the reveal (the age range not the roof/basketball part) rather than be inherent of anything else.

Think this is good for me but not sure how much appeal they'll be for the general population, can't image a 5 year old with one but parents give them Ipads so who knows. As with anything it'll be price dependant.

Akrasia

WeleaseWoderick wrote: »

The more I've thought about this and the fact that the dual screen option isn't there with the dock as is, I can see there being some way of the tablet being able to stream to a tv without the dock (via a hdmi dongle type thing).

Not having the dual screen setup for stuff like Mario Maker or Splatoon would seem like a massive oversight so that's what I'm thinking there's definitely more than we've seen.

I don't think it will have the power to do that, but what would be a good idea, is if it could link up with an iphone or android device and use that as a second screen to do things like display maps or inventories etc

Why bother having the expense of a second screen when everyone has smartphones in their pocket that can do exactly the same thing.

readyletsgo

ShadowHearth wrote: »

For portable system I got already some questions. If it is portable like this, then will it have some hdmi out port? I used to bring my ps3 to my buddies place, order pizzas, buy vodka and play some metal twister, taken or army of 2. If it works on tv only with that cradle, then it's such a missed opportunity.

I would think the whole thing is pretty light as the cradle is just the charging stand/port to hdmi. So pretty easy to bring to someone's house all together.

I like it.I'll get it at launch. I hear the 'joy-cons' will come in loads of different colours too.

Anyone notice in the trailer,there is no cable going to the tv? Not hdmi cable? Maybe the dock is wireless hdmi! That would be amazing. system wouldn't need to be under the TV.

Riesen_Meal

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Not sure how exactly a big game like Skyrim goes onto a cart provided the cart wasn't too expensive to produce.

Quite easily...

https://m.mymemory.co.uk/product?p=43967

If that's the price the public can pay, I'm sure Nintendo pay a lot less...

megaten

Not worried about cart size wise, it's only disappointing in the sense that cart based games rarely drop in price that quickly and nintendo aren't known for great download sales.

druss

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Actually one thing I just though off when you mentioned 7 year old.
I got 7 year old on the house and she loves her tablets, so I cam see her loving this, but at the same time I can see her losing those damn controllers in the first 24 hours.

I love mentioning above that ad was completely aimed at adults. It was really weird.

It was a concern of mine as well. My Wii U screen and my Nvidia Shield are both a toddler-inflicted begrimed mess. I gave up using the Shield for games and its mainly used for Miitomo creation by the bosses.

This thing had better be tough as nails and have decent screen protection.

Oafley Jones

Varik wrote: »

It wasn't the 20/30 year old roof top party basketball player buying 3ds' that let it hit 60m, I'd say the ad is just focused to those who would be watching the reveal (the age range not the roof/basketball part) rather than be inherent of anything else.

Think this is good for me but not sure how much appeal they'll be for the general population, can't image a 5 year old with one but parents give them Ipads so who knows. As with anything it'll be price dependant.

I was thinking about the iPad thing. Most parents I know justify that by saying that's it's a multi use device. Everyone can use it and the parents can fool themselves into thinking that they'll use it for education. There's none of that with a console. It's straight up gaming and that'll be a hard sell if the cost is too high. Again I know of a parent who almost balked at the cost of a 3DS XL but got the "family" an iPad.

Varik

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I was thinking about the iPad thing. Most parents I know justify that by saying that's it's a multi use device. Everyone can use it and the parents can fool themselves into thinking that they'll use it for education. There's none of that with a console. It's straight up gaming and that'll be a hard sell if the cost is too high. Again I know of a parent who almost balked at the cost of a 3DS XL but got the "family" an iPad.

Also with the Ipads the option of hand me downs.

Mr E

Nintendo won't confirm that it has a touch screen.
Bethesda won't confirm that Skyrim will be on the Switch (despite featuring in the video).
2K won't confirm that NBA2K17 will be on the Switch (despite featuring in the video).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-21-nintendo-refuses-to-say-whether-switch-has-a-touchscreen

To be fair, they'd be pretty dumb to show those games in the trailer and not include them on the console.

CiDeRmAn

kunst nugget wrote: »

Jesus, you get really touchy about people not commenting on Nintendo positively.

I get somewhat annoyed at some people who are reacting to this format exactly as I thought some would.
Wouldn't have mattered what the film would have demonstrated, they'd have layered on the "Oh I don't like that at all" anyway.
There isn't enough information to decide if this is a poor set of choices by Nintendo.
The only thing the presentation displayed was positive applications of the new console, and innovation in both handheld and home console arenas.

The issue around carts over disks, I think memory is pretty cheap, but it will be interesting to see how a title like Skyrim is delivered in it's remastered form via cartridge, unless there is a massive online component to the stored code. This itself is more and more typical anyway, with so many games having masses of code replaced with big patches, day one and otherwise.

Varik

Mr E wrote: »

Nintendo won't confirm that it has a touch screen.
Bethesda won't confirm that Skyrim will be on the Switch (despite featuring in the video).
2K won't confirm that NBA2K17 will be on the Switch (despite featuring in the video).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-21-nintendo-refuses-to-say-whether-switch-has-a-touchscreen

The touch screen is likely, it'd be beyond stupid in 2016+ for the screen to not be touch.

ERG89

Mr E wrote: »

Nintendo won't confirm that it has a touch screen.
Bethesda won't confirm that Skyrim will be on the Switch (despite featuring in the video).
2K won't confirm that NBA2K17 will be on the Switch (despite featuring in the video).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-21-nintendo-refuses-to-say-whether-switch-has-a-touchscreen

To be fair, they'd be pretty dumb to show those games in the trailer and not include them on the console.

Tbf they said they aren't talking about the Switch for the rest of the year so they won't confirm it can grow wings & fly away either. Safe to say it'll have Skyrim & NBA 2K.
It is dumb for Nintendo to stay quiet but even dumber that press don't understand what that means.

donegal.

Akrasia wrote: »

Carts themselves are fine.

I've gotten used to downloading all my games and having them saved on the hard drive is really convenient. The fact that there is such a small amount of on board memory on the switch is a pro and a con. It means that there won't be room for any DLC, which means 3rd party developers won't want to develop for the console as a large part of their revenue stream is cut off.

Also, there won't be room for big patches, which means that games will actually have to be finished before they're released, but it also means if games have bugs, they're less likely to be fixed.

maybe there will be room on the carts save patchs , dlc etc?

kunst nugget

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

There isn't enough information to decide if this is a poor set of choices by Nintendo.

It could be said there isn't enough information to decide if it's a good set of choices by Nintendo either.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The only thing the presentation displayed was positive applications of the new console, and innovation in both handheld and home console arenas.

The presentation is hardly going to show the negative applications of the console, is it?

People should be able to have a robust debate about what they may see as potential negatives without being lazily labeled 'haters'. I think there's some great conceptual thinking by Nintendo on the console but from initially looking at it I think it might be undone by real-world compromises and it will suffer from falling between two stools - a little bit too unwieldy for mobile gaming and a bit underpowered for a main console compared to the others. Sorry if that makes me a hater…

Mr.Saturn

Tickled me a bit:



Guessing that Mario glimpse is just a tech demo, but boy wilikers did I get excited at the prospect of a new, proper 3D Mario game*.

*3D world, I love you and all, but you felt like a side thing.

Wolverine359

Was looking at the Sky News coverage of the Switch reveal, they called the new Legend of Zelda game "Breath of Wind". :pac::rolleyes:

http://news.sky.com/story/nintendo-unveils-handheld-switch-console-10625106

super_furry

Varik wrote: »

The touch screen is likely, it'd be beyond stupid in 2016+ for the screen to not be touch.

But how do you compensate for losing the touch aspect when it's in the dock? Could be a choice born from simplicity of design.

CiDeRmAn

kunst nugget wrote: »

It could be said there isn't enough information to decide if it's a good set of choices by Nintendo either.



The presentation is hardly going to show the negative applications of the console, is it?

People should be able to have a robust debate about what they may see as potential negatives without being lazily labeled 'haters'. I think there's some great conceptual thinking by Nintendo on the console but from initially looking at it I think it might be undone by real-world compromises and it will suffer from falling between two stools - a little bit too unwieldy for mobile gaming and a bit underpowered for a main console compared to the others. Sorry if that makes me a hater…

His the console performs remains to be seen.
It's architecture is different from the PC in a fancy box that the PS4 and XB1 represent.
I think all consoles represent compromises.
Even the mighty PS4 was a balance between cost and power, and is getting more or less replaced mid generation.
The fact that Nintendo are the only company taking chances on their hardware forms should be applauded, otherwise it will be an inevitable march towards a box under the TV with the same generic pap on each, regardless of brand logo.

And, returning to my comment about haters, you might forget the plague of unpleasant posts upon previous Nintendo hardware reveals and launches.
Apologies if you thought I was labelling you in such a way. I'm all for a spirited debate, always have, if someone makes a claim or expresses an opinion, everyone has the right to challenge that expression, including my own notions.
And we all have to do it in a respectful manner, so apologies for any insult once again.
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So, new Mario in 3D!
Woohoo!
Glad it's not Super Mario 3D World 2, as much as I enjoyed it I much preferred 64/Sunshine/Galaxy type platforming.

CiDeRmAn

Wolverine359 wrote: »

Was looking at the Sky News coverage of the Switch reveal, they called the new Legend of Zelda game "Breath of Wind". :pac::rolleyes:

We had a guy with that in work.
Turned out he had an obstructed bowel.....

sligeach

Nintendo Switch Analysis - A Closer Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_DcUOvP0rI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_DcUOvP0rI

readyletsgo wrote: »

Anyone notice in the trailer,there is no cable going to the tv? Not hdmi cable? Maybe the dock is wireless hdmi! That would be amazing. system wouldn't need to be under the TV.

It answers your questions at the 1 minute mark.

grogi

super_furry wrote: »

But how do you compensate for losing the touch aspect when it's in the dock? Could be a choice born from simplicity of design.

IMHO it will be touch enabled - the digitizer would add a few cents only...

However the games will not use the touch to anything significant... The sticks will remain primary interaction method, while the touch will only supplement them.

For instance, it is much easier to type your name using on-screen keyboard than by using the traditional pad, but the pad method will be supported when the unit is docked.

sligeach

100% this is going to have a touch screen. It has numerous benefits like browsing, typing and playing games. I think too that it's required for the smart phone games it can play. But that's for another day. Nintendo probably don't want to muddy the waters too much just yet with their marketing. Yesterday they just focused on traditional gaming.

talking_walnut

grogi wrote: »

IMHO it will be touch enabled - the digitizer would add a few cents only...

However the games will not use the touch to anything significant... The sticks will remain primary interaction method, while the touch will only supplement them.

For instance, it is much easier to type your name using on-screen keyboard than by using the traditional pad, but the pad method will be supported when the unit is docked.

They'd probably be foolish not to include one. Stick a screen in front of a child these days and they'll automatically start poking at it. Hell even grown adults do it.

Corholio

I think we may get a trickle of info here and there but just maybe not dedicated announcement or Direct etc.

This part of the Wall Street Journal's article was interesting..

"Nintendo hinted it still has unannounced surprises up its sleeve. “We haven’t shown everything,” a Nintendo spokesman said, adding the company would provide additional information about the Switch next year, before its scheduled launch in March."

That could mean the supposed mobile link up or something else entirely as well.

sligeach

Nintendo Switch: Nintendo confirms lack of retro-compatiblity… for physical media, note about battery life

Following the reveal of the Nintendo Switch yesterday, various press outlets have turned to Nintendo in order to get more details. Unfortunately, the company isn’t planning to make any official announcements before next year, so we haven’t been able to learn much… That being said, Nintendo did give us some small tidbits to ponder about.

Famitsu is one of the outlets that went and asked Nintendo some questions about the Nintendo Switch. And they managed to get some pretty interesting answers!

First, they asked whether Nintendo was positioning the Nintendo Switch as the Wii U successor. Nintendo replied that its new console didn’t really fall in the usual “(stationary) home console” category. As such, it’s not really appropriate to call the Nintendo Switch the Wii U’s successor. That being said, Nintendo did confirm that their new console was first and foremost a home gaming system.

That does fall in line with previous statements from Tatsumi Kimishima, who previously said several times that the NX (now known as Nintendo Switch) wouldn’t just be just a continuation of the Wii or Wii U:

“That being said, I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

When asked whether the Nintendo Switch would be compatible with Wii U and Nintendo 3DS games, Nintendo replied that it wouldn’t be the case, as it’s not a successor to either platforms.

But there’s something really interesting about that answer: Nintendo clearly specifies that you will not be able to use Wii U game discs and Nintendo 3DS cards. Does that mean downloadable games and digital versions of games will be compatible, and that the lack of retro-compatibility for physical copies of games is only due to the expected lack of disc drive/3DS card slot?

As for what would be included in the box, Nintendo gave the same answer as they did to Takashi Mochizuki: the main unit, the Dock, the Joy Con detachable controllers (Left and Right), and that’s it. Again, full details about what will be included in the box will be revealed at a later date.

Unfortunately, Nintendo didn’t give any details regarding the game cards, just that they would be called… “game cards”. As for the battery, Nintendo wasn’t very talkative either, but confirmed that the whole thing was designed so that users could play as long as possible, “comfortably”, even in places where you don’t have access to a power outlet. Specifications about the battery life will be shared at a later date.

Finally, Famitsu asked Nintendo whether the Nintendo Switch would be able to play games for smart devices, since it is equipped with a Tegra processor. Nintendo replied that… they couldn’t answer that question right now. There has been rumours that the Nintendo Switch would be able to play Nintendo’s smartphone games, but nothing was really confirmed.

The Nintendo Switch comes out in March 2017 worldwide.

http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/nintendo-switch-nintendo-confirms-lack-retro-compatiblity-note-battery-life/

CiDeRmAn

Corholio wrote: »

I think we may get a trickle of info here and there but just maybe not dedicated announcement or Direct etc.

This part of the Wall Street Journal's article was interesting..

"Nintendo hinted it still has unannounced surprises up its sleeve. “We haven’t shown everything,” a Nintendo spokesman said, adding the company would provide additional information about the Switch next year, before its scheduled launch in March."

That could mean the supposed mobile link up or something else entirely as well.

If this thing turns out to have a AR or VR dimension the world may well catch fire with excitement.
Don't think it has the horses under the hood for it though.
Unless they shift the extra video processing onto the headset.... interesting times indeed

CiDeRmAn

sligeach wrote: »

http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/nintendo-switch-nintendo-confirms-lack-retro-compatiblity-note-battery-life/

Are we looking at a Amazon Fire type ecosystem then, with a limited and "approved by Nintendo" app store of apps and titles...
Not sure that's a great thing, it's moving the product away from being a games machine and into "entertainment hub" territory, bugger that.