Nintendo Switch (Nintendo's next console)

CiDeRmAn

Drunk posting is never worth it.
And it's a moderators nightmare.
"Please don't ban me, I didn't mean to call his mother an Xbox One owner, I was hammered at the time"

sligeach

Report: Nintendo NX is Using TEGRA X2 Chip, More Powerful than X1

Not too long ago, we heard that Nintendo NX is using the Nvidia’s TEGRA X1 mobile chip. It is a relatively old chip and didn’t pack enough punch to be considered anywhere near as powerful as current-gen machines.

However, sources close to the project claim that Nintendo NX is indeed using a TEGRA Chip but not the X1. The company is partnering with Nvidia to use its upcoming TEGRA X2 that is more powerful compared to the original model. The TEGRA X1 released in 2015 and comes packed with four ARM Cortex-A53 cores in big.LITTLE configuration, as well as a Maxwell-based graphics processing unit.

The upcoming chip hasn’t been formally named as Nvidia TEGRA X2 and is in development under codename “Parker.” The new TEGRA chip will feature four ARM-based Cortex-A57 cores and two homegrown Denver2 cores, it will use Pascal architecture for its GPU. The same one used for Nvidia’s flagship GPU models – GTX Titan X, GTX 1080, GTX 1070, and GTX 1060.

Nintendo NX will benefit from is unified memory which means faster communication between central components – CPU and GPU. TEGRA “Parker” is using a 16-nanometer FinFET process.

Needless to say, Nintendo nor Nvidia has confirmed this information but if the Japanese giant truly wants to expose its console to a wider audience like it says, it needs to use a more powerful chip.

Parker has been in developement for a long time and was originally suppose to release before TEGRA 1. However, Nvidia’s restructured roadmap placed X1 ahead of Parker.

Nintendo NX is releasing in March and Nintendo will host an event later this year to share more about NX.

http://segmentnext.com/2016/08/17/report-nintendo-nx-is-using-tegra-x2-chip-more-powerful-than-x1/

Ace Attorney

This chip, that chip, this chip, ugh cmon nintendo please have the big reveal soon.

CiDeRmAn

Ace Attorney wrote: »

This chip, that chip, this chip, ugh cmon nintendo please have the big reveal soon.

Daddy or chips
Daddy or chips
Daddy or chips....
Chips!

pasta-solo

Ace Attorney wrote: »

This chip, that chip, this chip, ugh cmon nintendo please have the big reveal soon.

Agreed, all this "how powerful will it be" stuff is boring! Just show us the games!!!

Andrew76

pasta-solo wrote: »

Agreed, all this "how powerful will it be" stuff is boring! Just show us the games!!!

I actually find it exciting, if true. The more powerful it is the better. But yeah, hurry up September and show us the thing already.

ERG89

My chip is bigger than your chip. Feels like such a late reveal but the message of what it is will be key. The 3DS & WiiU confused consumers as they thought they were a expansion of the current product rather than a follow up. I'm interested in the concept but I need a laymen's description on these X1 & X2 chip differences

sligeach

EA Swerve Another Nintendo NX Support Question

With SEGA, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment all believed to be supporting Nintendo NX, Electronic Arts remains to be one third-party publisher that many are awaiting news on.

Once bracing for an “unprecedented partnership” with Nintendo for Wii U, that relationship soured with EA’s chief competition officer Peter Moore later saying that the console was “out of sync” with the publisher’s future. He lamented a “lack of online engagement,” explaining that it was integral to what the publisher was looking to do in giving their games “a real social feel.”

With Nintendo NX approaching, it is unclear what stance they will take. EA Studios executive vice president Patrick Söderlund has previously said that the publisher’s games could come to the console “if it makes sense,” and he has echoed those comments at Gamescom 2016.

“Nintendo is such an instrumental part of our whole industry,” Söderlund shared with Game Informer. “They deserve to be successful, and they deserve to be successful, and they deserve to be a major player in the business, given their pedigree.

“It’s not only the machines that they’ve built, but also the IPs they’ve brought to market. There are very few companies like Nintendo. Whenever they bring something to market that we see an addressable market for, we’ll be there. Given that they haven’t announced [a new console] officially or shown it, I can’t comment specifically.”

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2016/08/ea-swerve-another-nintendo-nx-support-question/

CiDeRmAn

Well, there won't be any shortage of platforms to play EA games on, those things turn up on pretty much everything.
I suppose those people who only own one home console might be concerned at not being potentially able to play Fifa N+1, with N being the year of the last one, but the rest of us will sleep easy, free of other past their prime franchises like Need for Speed.

The_B_Man

This bit:

sligeach wrote: »

Given that they haven’t announced [a new console] officially or shown it, I can’t comment specifically.”
http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2016/08/ea-swerve-another-nintendo-nx-support-question/

If EA didn't have a partnership deal with Nintendo for the NX, then why would they be waiting for an official announcement from Nintendo to announce that they don't have a deal?

Incidentally, nVidia are doing some real good work with mobile graphics cards.
http://www.techspot.com/article/1227-nvidia-pascal-geforce-gtx-10-mobile/

These are already released so if the NX has either of these mobile chips, then it'll be more powerful than both the PS4 and XBONE.

sligeach

There should be no reason why the NX isn't at least as powerful as the PS4. I won't say it was old tech but it was certainly off the shelf parts that went into its composition. Sony couldn't afford another PS3 haemorrhaging money. The same with Microsoft, they curtailed the hardware because they had to tow the Kinect behind it. That's how I remember things. I don't own anything other than Nintendo or pay that much attention to the competition so I may be a little wrong though I don't think so.

CiDeRmAn

We can only be weeks from a full reveal at this point.
The TGS is only around four weeks away, I know Nintendo have said they won't be there, but a Direct with the necessary could be alongside, or they could hold their own presentation in parallel.
I mean, we are nearing the 6 month mark until the NX is released worldwide, the final consoles must be starting to be fabricated at this stage, with all components finalised and ready to roll.

tony1980

I noticed a thread on reddit mentioning their last few reveals were on or around Sept 13th and they announced when the reveal would be around Aug 22nd each time so hopefully we will know for sure by this time next week.

AlmightyCushion

The_B_Man wrote: »

This bit:


If EA didn't have a partnership deal with Nintendo for the NX, then why would they be waiting for an official announcement from Nintendo to announce that they don't have a deal?

Incidentally, nVidia are doing some real good work with mobile graphics cards.
http://www.techspot.com/article/1227-nvidia-pascal-geforce-gtx-10-mobile/

These are already released so if the NX has either of these mobile chips, then it'll be more powerful than both the PS4 and XBONE.

If the NX is a handheld as rumoured then it definitely won't have one of those. They're designed for laptops. A handheld wouldn't have the room, power, cooling or battery for anything like that.

CiDeRmAn

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If the NX is a handheld as rumoured then it definitely won't have one of those. They're designed for laptops. A handheld wouldn't have the room, power, cooling or battery for anything like that.

But that's part of the mystery here.
Whatever the NX is, it doesn't appear to be a simple handheld, as in a 3DS replacement.
If anything it seems more like a small form factor home console with a built in display.
The battery and cooling are puzzles, given what it will most certainly require if some of the more optimistic predictions come true.
But Nintendo have consistently been capable of surprise, so we can't discount anything they do until we see it.
A portable capable of running the new Zelda title, in HD on a portable device, would be something alone, but this will be more powerful than the WiiU, so it's going to have to packing something.
Perhaps the chipset is going to be something different again from the X2, a lower power usage arrangement, not as powerful but can perform on the go.
We shouldn't have long to wait now.

sligeach

I thought one of the advantages of the X2 chip is that it doesn't need a fan. That would save on costs, space and battery life. Not to mention noise.

sligeach

EA’s Peter Moore Asked Whether EA Is Supporting The Nintendo NX

EA’s stance regarding the forthcoming Nintendo NX platform is one of those things people are keen to find out due to the company’s high-profile IP’s such as FIFA, Battlefield and Mass Effect. Eurogamer caught up with Peter Moore and asked him directly what the company’s stance was on the NX and judging from the sounds of it it doesn’t appear as though it’s a platform that the company will really support with big hitting software.

Eurogamer: Nintendo – it also has a new console coming out. EA, like a lot of publishers, were kind of quiet on Wii U. What is EA’s stance on supporting NX?

Peter Moore: I don’t know – obviously a lot of details are still to be unveiled. EA has developed for Nintendo for 30 years and I was famously quoted as saying we’re still good friends. I have lived the console cycle’s ups and downs – I launched the Dreamcast. Some publishers got behind that and some didn’t. But certainly, EA has never come out and said it won’t develop for Nintendo.

Eurogamer: EA had that ‘special relationship’ announcement for Wii U which never really materialised – how do you see NX being different in that regard? It sounds like Nintendo are again choosing a path which is not trying to compete with other consoles EA supports and simply be another Xbox or PlayStation. Does that make Nintendo a more difficult proposition to support?

Peter Moore: Nintendo has always based its success on its first-party games because it is a brilliant first-party developer. If you asked that question to them they’d say they have to launch with first-party software first – that’s where the first dev kits go.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/08/18/eas-peter-moore-asked-whether-ea-is-supporting-the-nintendo-nx/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-08-18-eas-peter-moore-im-not-sure-video-game-press-conferences-have-a-future

sligeach

NINTENDO AIMING FOR GAMERS & CASUALS WITH NX, WORKING TO AVOID SOFTWARE DROUGHTS

Coming from a Nikkei Trendy interview with Shinya Takahashi, General Manager of Nintendo Entertainment Planning & Development...

On whether or not the NX will take a similar approach to Wii by being a platform that gamers and non-gamers can appreciate:

“I can’t talk about this in detail yet, but we are aiming so that neither people who like games nor moms dislike it. I think that I want to release a game device that both customers who have much experience in gaming and customers who haven’t played much can enjoy greatly.”

On if Nintendo is trying to avoid software shortages by gathering up development teams into one place:

“We are paying attention to that. Having said that, it isn’t about drastically increasing the amount of development staff. To be specific, software development teams and teams that create the development environment are thinking about the NX lineup together. For example, a software development team may have a request ‘if we had this library, then development would progress quickly’. Teams creating the development environment respond to that by considering ‘if we prepare an environment like this, then development will go smoothly’, and they actually discuss with development teams and hear their opinions and prioritize those things. We have built a stronger cooperative relationship compared to what is was before and are making efforts so that software can be developed smoothly.”

http://gonintendo.com/stories/263648-nintendo-aiming-for-gamers-casuals-with-nx-working-to-avoid-so

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-on-the-demographic-for-nx-stronger-relationship-between-teams/

MilesMorales1

Man I'm just tired of this (not this thread or you guys I mean) I'm tired of Nintendo's radio silence and current software drought, it's dull as dull can be.

sligeach

Fair be warned and take with a truckload of salt.

Nintendo NX Rumors Reveal Console's Release Date, Name And Games, But We're Skeptical

http://www.ibtimes.com/nintendo-nx-rumors-reveal-consoles-release-date-name-games-were-skeptical-2404766

4Chan? Run! Run! And don't look back.

tony1980

I am hoping we will hear this week about a date for an official announcement. From looking at past announcements,it looks like it will be around Sept 13th. Hopefully that will be the case as I dont think we can take months more of speculation!

sligeach

Boom! It's not the NX but man it would have been the perfect stage for it. During the closing ceremony of Rio 2016, Tokyo 2020 is on TV right now with Mario front and to the fore. I'm still waiting for the NX to pop out of the warp pipe. That had to cost them some money I presume, money well spent I say.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/CBCOlympics/status/767525537946349568

The first reference to video games in the promo was Pac-man and I was thinking where's Mario? I needn't have worried. He owned the Show.

riclad

Maybe they could put in a ds cpu chip in the nx.
then they could sell ds games from the eshop , on the nx thru emulation .
Like xbox 360 games run on the xbox 1.
i don,t know if its technically possible to do this .

CiDeRmAn

Nintendo seem to have the capacity to run most of their software on every new machine via software emulation.
The WiiU has run pretty much everything from the NES onwards, with only the Wii stuff running in hardware.
Unfortunately, unlike the XB1 and just like the PS4, just because it can doesn't mean they will let us use the original disks as keys to unlock the NX ports of legacy software.
Where you can pop a supported 360 game into the XB1 and soon be playing Dark Souls, for example, on the PS4 you have to buy the game all over again from their online store.
And so it will be with the NX as it has been with the WiiU.
But, we don't even do as well as PS4 owners, at least they unlock their purchase for all Sony hardware you own that can play it, so if you buy a PSone classic title for the PS4 you can play it on your PS Vita and PS3 as well, with the one account.
If you own Mario 64 on the WiiU via digital download you may have to rebuy it if you want to play it on the WiiU or, if supported, on your 3DS, with the games registering on your account with Nintendo but locked to the console they were downloaded to.
Not cool Nintendo, not cool!

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Nintendo seem to have the capacity to run most of their software on every new machine via software emulation.
The WiiU has run pretty much everything from the NES onwards, with only the Wii stuff running in hardware.
Unfortunately, unlike the XB1 and just like the PS4, just because it can doesn't mean they will let us use the original disks as keys to unlock the NX ports of legacy software.
Where you can pop a supported 360 game into the XB1 and soon be playing Dark Souls, for example, on the PS4 you have to buy the game all over again from their online store.
And so it will be with the NX as it has been with the WiiU.
But, we don't even do as well as PS4 owners, at least they unlock their purchase for all Sony hardware you own that can play it, so if you buy a PSone classic title for the PS4 you can play it on your PS Vita and PS3 as well, with the one account.
If you own Mario 64 on the WiiU via digital download you may have to rebuy it if you want to play it on the WiiU or, if supported, on your 3DS, with the games registering on your account with Nintendo but locked to the console they were downloaded to.
Not cool Nintendo, not cool!

Yeah hopefully that crap practice of purchases tied to a machine will be a thing of the past when NX comes out? I haven't really looked at the new Nintendo accounts we were able to sign up to a while back so not sure if there's any hint of change with that.

Also, here's a BBC News article that has some pictures of what sligeach is referring to above (his link didn't work for me so had no idea what he was on about ) - Japan's prime minister dressed as Mario (kind of): http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37151800.

Pac1Man

If the NX can emulate the GameCube library I'm buying it regardless. A portable GameCube? Sweet Jesus.

CiDeRmAn

Pac1Man wrote: »

If the NX can emulate the GameCube library I'm buying it regardless. A portable GameCube? Sweet Jesus.

That's kind of part of the confusion.
The power needed to emulate the GameCube, on a portable device, would require power and them generate heat.
So you are going to have to carry the former with you as a big ass battery and the latter as a big heatsink with a fan blowing your blues, and red hots, away and that will also require power.
And this adds to the bulk of the device.
Boo hiss!

But, wait!
An X2 chipset approaches!
The idea is you build the NZ with a powerful but power sipping processor, reducing the needed battery and heatsink.
Then you get Super Mario Sunshine while on the jacks, Metroid Prime while on the bus and Eternal Darkness while paying your respects at Aunt Marie's funeral.

riclad

Game cube games would require too much power , and produce short battery life.
ds games would not have that problem.
i,d expect if it runs ds games they might be sold for 10-20 euros .
nintendo does everything its own way, they dont copy ms or sony.
Most of the executives in nintendo are 50 plus and male .
Nintendo is at least 5 years behind sony in its attitude to games on the the internet ,social media ,youtube streamers .
look at its weird policy on youtube gaming videos .

Banjo

Of those 3, surely Eternal Darkness is best suited to playing on the jacks? So many boxers ruined....

CiDeRmAn

riclad wrote: »

Game cube games would require too much power , and produce short battery life.
ds games would not have that problem.
i,d expect if it runs ds games they might be sold for 10-20 euros .
nintendo does everything its own way, they dont copy ms or sony.
Most of the executives in nintendo are 50 plus and male .
Nintendo is at least 5 years behind sony in its attitude to games on the the internet ,social media ,youtube streamers .
look at its weird policy on youtube gaming videos .

Well, truth is we have no idea about the capability of the new hardware, as has been stated throughout this thread.
And just because a game released 14 years ago and required a cutting edge device to run it kinda means that, with the right optimisation, it's going to need a far more efficient console to run it now.
Plus, the NX isn't a 3DS replacement, it is to be more than that, so seeing it limited as a portable device is probably the wrong path.
Nintendo are not Sony or MS, or Sega for that matter.
It is well described throughout this forum what those differences are.
And, keeping in mind the media focus of Sony and MS' output in terms of hardware, it is hardly surprising that Nintendo are doing it a different way.
I don't particularly like the way they are managing online stores, digital purchases or their streaming rules, but no one does it perfectly, Sony have only got their act together with the PS4, the PS3 PS Store was awfully slow.

DS games are already for sale via the E-Shop, no doubt this will continue, but it's no stretch to imagine Gamecube games seeing as Wii games are already available on the WiiU VC and the Wii is little more than a GC in new clothes.