Jeremy Clarkson suspended

the_syco

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I hear that the BBC management guy,has had death threats over the sacking.

Hopefully the police visit each and every one of them. I find anger and common sense don't go well together, so the people sending the death threats probably emailed them from their home computers... :pac:

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Saw that BBC may fill JC's role with a woman. There are two ways to look at BBC getting a women in to fill JC's shows;

Either they did some research and found that women will watch the show because there's a woman in the main seat
or
They're going to get a female version of Clarkson that will be half mad with an awesome body, thinking that purely having a woman will get women to watch the show, but at the same time trying to keep the men by having a good looking woman in tight fitting clothes do the presenting.

A Dub in Glasgo

NachoBusiness wrote: »

To all those that keep saying Oisin was a producer, not a caterer: nice to see you're finally accepting the fact that whatever set Clarkson off, wasn't merely the fact the hotel couldn't provide him with a hot meal, as that would have been something he know doubt would have encountered many times on location shoots. Quite obviously it was something the production team did or did not do regarding that which angered him. Or perhaps the attitude they had to it. .

You mention fact a couple times, can you show us where you got these facts from?

Brendan Bendar

the_syco wrote: »

Hopefully the police visit each and every one of them. I find anger and common sense don't go well together, so the people sending the death threats probably emailed them from their home computers... :pac:

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Saw that BBC may fill JC's role with a woman. There are two ways to look at BBC getting a women in to fill JC's shows;

Either they did some research and found that women will watch the show because there's a woman in the main seat
or
They're going to get a female version of Clarkson that will be half mad with an awesome body, thinking that purely having a woman will get women to watch the show, but at the same time trying to keep the men by having a good looking woman in tight fitting clothes do the presenting.

Don't think that would work personally, I would have to say,and it's only my opinion,that women would not watch that stuff, they are into much more subtle stuff I would suggest, more peripheral kind of ..erm ..foreplay, if you will forgive the sexual reference, wouldn't be into the the kind of 'stamp it to the floor and blow the first two inches of the tyres' kind of attitude which TG seems to favour.

Don't think it would work, but one never knows, when Clarksons fans wipe the froth off their chins, they could be ready for another low brow concept?

Schwiiing

the_syco wrote: »

Hopefully the police visit each and every one of them. I find anger and common sense don't go well together, so the people sending the death threats probably emailed them from their home computers... :pac:

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Saw that BBC may fill JC's role with a woman. There are two ways to look at BBC getting a women in to fill JC's shows;

Either they did some research and found that women will watch the show because there's a woman in the main seat
or
They're going to get a female version of Clarkson that will be half mad with an awesome body, thinking that purely having a woman will get women to watch the show, but at the same time trying to keep the men by having a good looking woman in tight fitting clothes do the presenting.

Wouldn't mind seeing Jodie Kidd or Suzi Perry presenting Top Gear.

Tarzana2

NachoBusiness wrote: »

To all those that keep saying Oisin was a producer, not a caterer: nice to see you're finally accepting the fact that whatever set Clarkson off, wasn't merely the fact the hotel couldn't provide him with a hot meal, as that would have been something he know doubt would have encountered many times on location shoots. Quite obviously it was something the production team did or did not do regarding that which angered him. Or perhaps the attitude they had to it.

Not sure how you deduced this? The trio held everyone up because they wanted a few drinkie winkies and Clarkson appears to have expected Tymon to kowtow to him despite the lateness being the cause of the problems. Can you explain how this is a production problem.

Tymon stayed up to greet them when he could have gone to bed. Such an attitude problem!

Eutow

NachoBusiness wrote: »

To all those that keep saying Oisin was a producer, not a caterer:

I am one of the posters that has stated a few times on this thread that Oisin's job is to help produce Top Gear rather than be a caterer. However, each time I did this it was in response to idiotic comments from certain posters that think it was Oisin's job to provide hot food and that he should be sacked for not providing it. I also stated that maybe he drew the short straw to let him know about this.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

nice to see you're finally accepting the fact that whatever set Clarkson off, wasn't merely the fact the hotel couldn't provide him with a hot meal, as that would have been something he know doubt would have encountered many times on location shoots.

The "facts" everyone on here and elsewhere who were not around to see the incident can only go on what is and has been reported, and that is that Clarkson verbally and physically had a fracus - (or whatever you or anybody else wants to call it) - with Oisin Tymon over the unavailability of hot food. Anything else is pure speculation.

As regarding those posters "finally accepting the fact that whatever set Clarkson off, wasn't merely the fact the hotel couldn't provide him with a hot meal", I don't see anybody changing their mind that something else provoked him because people are stating there is a bit of a difference between a caterer and a producer.

El_Duderino 09

NachoBusiness wrote: »

To all those that keep saying Oisin was a producer, not a caterer: nice to see you're finally accepting the fact that whatever set Clarkson off, wasn't merely the fact the hotel couldn't provide him with a hot meal, as that would have been something he know doubt would have encountered many times on location shoots. Quite obviously it was something the production team did or did not do regarding that which angered him. Or perhaps the attitude they had to it. Clarkson being the decent sod he is though, is still taking full responsibility for his behavior and not looking to blame anyone else and that is admirable.

I have no information to place some of the blame back on Tymon. Do you? Clarkson doesn't seem to agree with you.

Have you ever heard of a fella spending a few hours in a pub and then behaving unreasonably, shouting and becoming violent? It happens NB. All the available info seems to suggest it happened in this instance.

So, if Tymon was a caterer, then would it be ok to give him a fat lip?



I never thought of catering as being one of the more dangerous jobs before.

CiDeRmAn

I can see a need to find two sides to the story.
This idea that if Clarkson did something it must have been in response to some stressor that his producers incompetence had given rise to.
The notion that Jeremy shouldn't have struck his producer but was only upset because of unreasonable behaviour on the part of another.
One problem with this.
There is no evidence, no reports, no comments from on the scene witnesses that anything like that happened.
The only things that are true is that the hotel served hot food up to a certain time, the cast were late as a result if hanging on after filming for drinks and after two hours arrived, resulting in nothing available bar cold plates.
The cast where drunk at this point and, upon being told of the food situation, a hungry and under the influence Clarkson took his temper out on a member of his production team, part of whose responsibility may well have been the provision of accommodation.
After a sustained period of abuse, 20 minutes as reported, aimed at Mr Tymon, Clarkson then punched the staff member, who worked on the show for some ten years, and this was then broken up by witnesses, after 30 seconds or so.

That's what happened folks, and after reporting himself for the assault, and Mr Tymon being assessed in the local A+E, it was formally investigated by the BBC.
No commentary was heard from either party involved in the incident aside from a few short tweets early on, and the BBC refused to comment beyond the seriousness of the situation and that the investigation was ongoing.

Upon the decision of the BBC to not renew Clarksons contract Jeremy commented by asking the press to leave Mr Tymon alone, that none of it was his fault.

Apparently, despite hanging upon Clarksons every word, this last comment has been largely ignored, particularly by deluded idiots who imagine there is a place in the world for their intolerance and bigotry, which is odd but not unexpected given their love of the fantasy that Clarkson was one of them, when in fact he was very well paid and was aware of catering to the demographic that kept him paid.

CiDeRmAn

Candie wrote: »

So, if Tymon was a caterer, then would it be ok to give him a fat lip?



I never thought of catering as being one of the more dangerous jobs before.

Nope, if he had been the caterer then they could have fired him, but not hit him. In that case he would probably have grounds to sue Clarkson for the injury and other damages, as well as press charges.
He could do that now if he wanted and probably win, though he has refused to press charges, which says yards about the quality of the man.

CiDeRmAn

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Nope, if he had been the caterer then they could have fired him, but not hit him. In that case he would probably have grounds to sue Clarkson for the injury and other damages, as well as press charges.
He could do that now if he wanted and probably win, though he has refused to press charges, which says yards about the quality of the man.

Whether or not he's a caterer, it is assault and thus a crime to hit him.

IF he was the caterer and the hotel kitchen was closed, then his hands were pretty much tied given that the party were two hours late over their expected arrival. A caterer shouldn't be sacked for issues outside of their control.

CiDeRmAn

Candie wrote: »

Whether or not he's a caterer, it is assault and thus a crime to hit him.

IF he was the caterer and the hotel kitchen was closed, then his hands were pretty much tied given that the party were two hours late over their expected arrival. A caterer shouldn't be sacked for issues outside of their control.

Fair enough, its just that in that circumstance, where an individual is not only repsonsible for the provision of meals but also making them, independent of the hotel, it would have had a different remit.

I'm not arguing with you.

And no one in any job should accept an assault.
End of.

petrolcan

Bench Press wrote: »

I've been called a lot worse here, I was here in London in the mid 90's when the IRA blew the place up, some people really need to grow a pair.

Oh, you're over here :-(

ScumLord

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I can see a need to find two sides to the story.
This idea that if Clarkson did something it must have been in response to some stressor that his producers incompetence had given rise to.
The notion that Jeremy shouldn't have struck his producer but was only upset because of unreasonable behaviour on the part of another.
One problem with this.
There is no evidence, no reports, no comments from on the scene witnesses that anything like that happened.
The only things that are true is that the hotel served hot food up to a certain time, the cast were late as a result if hanging on after filming for drinks and after two hours arrived, resulting in nothing available bar cold plates.
The cast where drunk at this point and, upon being told of the food situation, a hungry and under the influence Clarkson took his temper out on a member of his production team, part of whose responsibility may well have been the provision of accommodation.
After a sustained period of abuse, 20 minutes as reported, aimed at Mr Tymon, Clarkson then punched the staff member, who worked on the show for some ten years, and this was then broken up by witnesses, after 30 seconds or so.

That's what happened folks, and after reporting himself for the assault, and Mr Tymon being assessed in the local A+E, it was formally investigated by the BBC.
No commentary was heard from either party involved in the incident aside from a few short tweets early on, and the BBC refused to comment beyond the seriousness of the situation and that the investigation was ongoing.

Upon the decision of the BBC to not renew Clarksons contract Jeremy commented by asking the press to leave Mr Tymon alone, that none of it was his fault.

Apparently, despite hanging upon Clarksons every word, this last comment has been largely ignored, particularly by deluded idiots who imagine there is a place in the world for their intolerance and bigotry, which is odd but not unexpected given their love of the fantasy that Clarkson was one of them, when in fact he was very well paid and was aware of catering to the demographic that kept him paid.

This post would have been a perfect breakdown of the situation. It's just ruined by the last paragraph labeling anyone who likes Clarkson on Top Gear as an "idiot", Bigot", "deluded", "intolerant". But to be expected I suppose, some people just seem to be blind to their own intolerance when they accuse others of being intolerant.

dr.fuzzenstein

ScumLord wrote: »

This post would have been a perfect breakdown of the situation. It's just ruined by the last paragraph labeling anyone who likes Clarkson on Top Gear as an "idiot", Bigot", "deluded", "intolerant". But to be expected I suppose, some people just seem to be blind to their own intolerance when they accuse others of being intolerant.

I think it only mentions deluded idiots, not everyone who happens to like TG, so I don't feel targeted by that.
There are moronic trolls with flame throwers on either side of this argument.
I could insult them all day long and not get tired of it.
I would regard myself as someone who enjoys TG but is able to identify with both sides of the argument. Clarkson is hugely talented and I wish he could stay, but abusing and punching a work colleague is just out of order.
There is never black and white, but there's always trolls and idiots.

Eugene Norman

One thing which Clarkson supporters who hope Top Gear will go elsewhere ( or the team will) and won't be subject to so much editorial control are kidding themselves because advertisers will have much more control. If the top gear successor on ITV insults Mexico, "slopes" etc. it could lose advertising dollars and Jezza and his team will be reigned in. Which is good because otherwise they are entertaining.

CiDeRmAn

ScumLord wrote: »

This post would have been a perfect breakdown of the situation. It's just ruined by the last paragraph labeling anyone who likes Clarkson on Top Gear as an "idiot", Bigot", "deluded", "intolerant". But to be expected I suppose, some people just seem to be blind to their own intolerance when they accuse others of being intolerant.

I think you'll find I have indicated that I find him entertaining but that some people, heavily hinting at a handful of persistent posters on this thread, are conveniently ignoring Clarksons request that the producer wasn't at fault at all and should be left alone.

Otherwise thank you for appreciating the content of the post. I try to avoid hyperbole and stick to the facts.
I work in an area where assault is a constant risk and am aware of the policies and procedures that exist in managing it. Also, we have policies governing bullying and other unwelcome working conditions called Dignity at Work, and a very effective document it is too.

londonbus

Clarkson was clearly drunk and acted under the influence.

Nothing justifies his behaviour and there is no excuse for it.

I would, however, be concerned for his physical and mental health.

My name is URL

Just read something there about the 'demands' that Clarkson had for live shows. It included 20 bottles of wine and champagne and a load of beer and gin =/

That probably wouldn't be that odd in show-business but the fact that he himself has said that he has a problem with drink would make you wonder if the BBC or other staff were concerned about him long before now.

The man clearly has a lot of demons, and **** going on in his personal life. I hope he can deal with all of that regardless of what happens to the show.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-clarksons-backstage-top-gear-live-demands-included-20-bottles-of-wine-and-champagne-steak-knives-and-scrabble-10143657.html

LollipopJimmy

londonbus wrote: »

Clarkson was clearly drunk and acted under the influence.

Nothing justifies his behaviour and there is no excuse for it.

I would, however, be concerned for his physical and mental health.

Its Charlie Sheen all over again

The lazy rat

I can see the good in all people and I can see the good in JC. He's an alcoholic imo and needs help. I hope his personal family life improves soon. It all starts with the family. Hopefully he uses his present time and the foreseeable future to heal things at home.

Bench Press

Jezza is coming back already!!! Brilliant! You can't keep a good man down

Jeremy Clarkson to appear on rebranded Top Gear live shows

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32137424

CiDeRmAn

Bench Press wrote: »

Jezza is coming back already!!! Brilliant! You can't keep a good man down

Jeremy Clarkson to appear on rebranded Top Gear live shows

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32137424

Well done for quoting yesterdays news, in every sense of the word.

BBDBB

so they just guaranteed sell out crowds and I dare say some bright opportunist will suggest extended dates for that tour.

KER-CHING

Brendan Bendar

Bench Press wrote: »

Jezza is coming back already!!! Brilliant! You can't keep a good man down

Jeremy Clarkson to appear on rebranded Top Gear live shows

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32137424

Presume he wil have to hang around for more than twenty minutes or so this time?

Harry Palmr

Finally - the Guardian run an article about Clarkson that is knowing and amusing.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/01/jeremy-clarkson-joins-guardian-drive-for-fossil-fuel-divestment

Clarkson said he had experienced a “wake-up call” after being sacked by the BBC, which he likened to “ramming on the brakes on the autobahn to Damascus”.

“It was like a pit stop,” he said. “One minute I was cruising along in a Porsche Cayman S to Dark Side of the Moon. The next I was in a bloody Prius humming along to Keane.

My name is URL

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Finally - the Guardian run an article about Clarkson that is knowing and amusing.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/01/jeremy-clarkson-joins-guardian-drive-for-fossil-fuel-divestment

Surely that's an April Fool's pisstake?

The disgraced former Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has become the latest celebrity to support the Guardian’s campaign for fossil fuel divestment.

“But, in the end, this is bigger than Planet Clarkson. This is Planet Everybloodybody, including members of the traveller communities and our Burmese and Argentinian friends,” he winked.

jimgoose

My name is URL wrote: »

Surely that's an April Fool's pisstake?

It would have been funnier if it was about James May.

dr.fuzzenstein

jimgoose wrote: »

It would have been funnier if it was about James May.

What, "James May hits pikey?"

jimgoose

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

What, "James May hits pikey?"

I'd say May would refer to it as Practising Pugilism. :pac: