The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

I brought up the 49ers because it was another example of McDaniels seemingly being interested in a job before later pulling out, which you seem very sore that I had a better recollection of. Despite you attempts to strawman, I never said it was same situation and specifically called out the differences.

Sore? oh man not it at all. In fact that is comical if that is what you took from this. Brilliant in fact. But you seemed happy to point out I was wrong even though I got there before you. I could give two fooks about the 49ers. You can pretend all you want that the 49ers getting denied was another example but it really wasn't he turned down their job offer a week after being told they want him. He didn't lead them on it any way. But if you want to believe he did that is on you.

Hococop

Trojan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/melissalockard/status/961053452599111680

Gonna be honest don't get this, they screw someone over before?

Edit: something related to deflate gate?

TOss Sweep

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Really - do you seriously think that I give a single sh*te about McDaniels?

Funniest post on Boards.ie today. I could find what 50 or so posts from you banging on about Josh McDaniels. To say you don't give a sh*te is hilarious

Pats fans repeatedly claimed on here that McDaniels would have learned from McDisaster, that he would be changed and more mature - except he has just proven that he isn't.

We did? Show me one post by any of us that stated the above. And I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

The Pats are welcome to him - he is the epitome of the Patriot Way - and I look forward to the day he is the Pats HC.

haha it truly is grinding you up inside haha

Itssoeasy

Hococop wrote: »

Gonna be honest don't get this, they screw someone over before?

Edit: something related to deflate gate?

It's to do with the Colts moving from Baltimore to Indianapolis and the role Jim Irsays dad had on moving the team in the middle of the night.

Jolly Red Giant

Hococop wrote: »

Gonna be honest don't get this, they screw someone over before?

Edit: something related to deflate gate?

Irsay promised to keep the Colts in Baltimore and then moved all the Colts infrastructure to Indy overnight with drivers who were told the point of pick-up but not where they were going.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/29/indianapolis-baltimore-move-30-year-anniversary-mayflower/7053553/

Basically the Irsay Sr screwed over Baltimore and now Irsay JR got screwed over by McDaniels.

Itssoeasy

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Irsay promised to keep the Colts in Baltimore and then moved all the Colts infrastructure to Indy overnight with drivers who were told the point of pick-up but not where they were going.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/29/indianapolis-baltimore-move-30-year-anniversary-mayflower/7053553/

Basically the Irsay Sr screwed over Baltimore and now Irsay JR got screwed over by McDaniels.

Well screwed might be harsh, as the city of Baltimore and its elected representatives and voters didn't seem to want to help with a new stadium. The stadium in Baltimore was a dump but was Mr Irsay completely innocent ? No but the city was going to sieze his team.

letowski

As a Colts fan, obviously it was very disappointing to wake up to the news, but look at the end of the day, if McDaniels wasn't in 100%, we don't want him. Like to be quite honest, for sure this is annoying, but people have to be selfish in sport. If McDaniels just felt more comfortable in NE, and saw it as a better opportunity long term, stay there. He made this decision knowing full well it would severely damage his prospective coaching credentials outside of Foxboro, so he couldn't have taken it lightly. Even just in the last half hour its being reported that his agent LaMonte is terminating their relationship. Anyway the Colt's just have to get over it now. And infairness, listen to GM Chris Ballard's presser, he is doing that.

Just on a few other things;

For sure it was unprofessional of the Colt's to announce the deal before McDaniels signed the dotted line. But its just a badly misjudged PR move. Like that's it, it's embarrassing but not a critical part in the story at all, as it had no effect on McDaniels' decision.

With regards to the coaches hired, Ballard addressed the media that they were staying. Yes it was grossly unprofessional by McDaniels to request the coaches and bail on them, but they're not out of a job. That's the important thing for them and their family.

Ballard did a great press conference, not complaining or anything, just focused on moving forward. That's it really for me. Worse things can happen and did happen, like on Sunday to our starting WILL linebacker Edwin Jackson.

jack presley

In other news, Russell Wilson's been traded from the Texas Rangers to the New York Yankees.

Apparently he has no interest in doing a Deion or a Bo so no idea what the point of this is, apart from selling a few spring training tickets as he's due to appear in a few games.

Jolly Red Giant

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Funniest post on Boards.ie today. I could find what 50 or so posts from you banging on about Josh McDaniels. To say you don't give a sh*te is hilarious

And when was the last one before today>

TOss Sweep wrote: »

We did? Show me one post by any of us that stated the above. And I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

Start eating some crow - it took about 30 seconds which is all the time I need to waste on it.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

McDaniels may have learnt a lot from his time in Denver. He was given far too much power and may succeed in a new role if he just focuses on being a HC. He's going to get another shot at some point; until then there's no way of knowing how he'll turn out.

JCTO wrote: »

I love how you write of a coach based on a couple of seasons with your team as a HC early in his career. It is nonsense to say he will never make it as a HC. He is still only 39 and was only 34/35 when he joined the Broncos. He has plenty to learn and time to grow. Coaches learn as they go sometimes and jumping into the fire early to get a taste of a HC role always gives them a benchmark point of where they are at in their career.

There are plenty of Solid coaches out there both NFL and College that failed with teams early int heir careers as HC and jumped between roles for decades until they grew. McDaniels has plenty of long roads ahead of him and it is way too early in his career to say he will never make it as a HC.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

haha it truly is grinding you up inside haha

The opposite - it is rather satisfying when your assertions are confirmed.

TOss Sweep

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The opposite - it is rather satisfying when your assertions are confirmed.

hahahaha You can't even get this right. Lets look at what you said:

Pats fans repeatedly claimed on here that McDaniels would have learned from McDisaster, that he would be changed and more mature - except he has just proven that he isn't.

Just to point out something your claim in the thread you quoted from was that he will never make it as a Head Coach in the NFL. Lets remember that fact as we read on.

Now lets look at the posts you quoted I will do my post from 2 years ago. I don't need to point out you are wrong on both quote but you are. But anyways 2 year old post.

I love how you write of a coach based on a couple of seasons with your team as a HC early in his career. It is nonsense to say he will never make it as a HC. He is still only 39 and was only 34/35 when he joined the Broncos. He has plenty to learn and time to grow. Coaches learn as they go sometimes and jumping into the fire early to get a taste of a HC role always gives them a benchmark point of where they are at in their career.

There are plenty of Solid coaches out there both NFL and College that failed with teams early int heir careers as HC and jumped between roles for decades until they grew. McDaniels has plenty of long roads ahead of him and it is way too early in his career to say he will never make it as a HC.

Completely out of context and way too early to quote this post. You fail at pointing out anything. Has he taken another HC role yet? Nope. Is he retiring tomorrow? Nope. Is it still too early to say he wont make it as a HC? Yup

Oh and remember I pointed out the 2 year thing

jumped between roles for decades until they grew

He has plenty of time to learn. You are hell bent on trying to prove me wrong you fail to even read the post you quoted. Derp

Well unless you are guy who says he doesn't give a sh1te but clearly does and can't stand him.

Comical JRR never fail to amuse me.

Jolly Red Giant

well TOss - why am I not surprised - BB and McDisaster can do no wrong - enjoy the ride for the little time you have left.

TOss Sweep

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

well TOss - why am I not surprised - BB and McDisaster can do no wrong - enjoy the ride for the little time you have left.

Hate been proven wrong don't you? Oh I dont give a sh1te about Josh McDaniels rabble rabble rabble hahahahahaha

As for enjoying the ride? Cool story bro

j8wk2feszrnpao

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Really - do you seriously think that I give a single sh*te about McDaniels?

Pats fans repeatedly claimed on here that McDaniels would have learned from McDisaster, that he would be changed and more mature - except he has just proven that he isn't.

The Pats are welcome to him - he is the epitome of the Patriot Way - and I look forward to the day he is the Pats HC.

That’s a whole lot of giving a sh*te right there.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Pats fans repeatedly claimed on here that McDaniels would have learned from McDisaster, that he would be changed and more mature - except he has just proven that he isn't.

Quote: Salvatore Mysterious Tutti-frutti
McDaniels may have learnt a lot from his time in Denver. He was given far too much power and may succeed in a new role if he just focuses on being a HC. He's going to get another shot at some point; until then there's no way of knowing how he'll turn out.


Really? I mean you can’t be that illiterate. I didn’t know them if he learned anything, and I still don’t.
But you’re probably too busy not giving a sh*te to read what’s actually written.

eagle eye

It was said earlier this season that McDaniels was unlikely to leave because his family is settled in New England and he didn't like how things went for them with the Denver move and the St Louis move.

If he decided to pull out over his family then major kudos to him.

99 Bortles of Beer

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Really - do you seriously think that I give a single sh*te about McDaniels?

I'd say you give at least 74. And that's only when you've mentioned him by name.

Knex*

eagle eye wrote: »

It was said earlier this season that McDaniels was unlikely to leave because his family is settled in New England and he didn't like how things went for them with the Denver move and the St Louis move.

If he decided to pull out over his family then major kudos to him.

After he just made all the coaching staff he hired uproot theirs?

It's still an absolute bitch move.

99 Bortles of Beer

Knex. wrote: »

After he just made all the coaching staff he hired uproot theirs?

It's still an absolute bitch move.

They are grown men who are paid a fortune to compensate them for the lack of certainty in their jobs. They can make their own decisions and it's naive to feel sorry for them.

This wouldn't be the first case of someone accepting a counter-offer from their current employer after accepting an offer elsewhere to begin with. Done it myself.

TOss Sweep

99 Bortles of Beer wrote: »

They are grown men who are paid a fortune to compensate them for the lack of certainty in their jobs. They can make their own decisions and it's naive to feel sorry for them.

This wouldn't be the first case of someone accepting a counter-offer from their current employer after accepting an offer elsewhere to begin with. Done it myself.

Said it already but I 100% agree. I have done it myself and have also been burnt in a similar situation but what I took away from it is don't sign anything until the key players has signed already.

Oat23

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Colts don't come out of this looking good and are in a tough spot for sure but they dodged a bullet in my opinion.

Nail on the head. The Colts weren't doing anything in 2018 anyway. It's inconvenient but they'll get past it.

They will look back at this in the future and be glad he backed out.

My favourite McDaniels story. Cutty knew he was batsh*t insane after 20 minutes :pac:.

Shortly after Josh McDaniels moved into his office at Dove Valley, he called in Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, for a closed-door meeting. The story goes that McDaniels began with a 20-minute dissertation of his resume, how he'd worked his way up the ranks in New England to become Bill Belichick's right-hand man with the offense and how the team would have been nowhere the year before without his tutelage of backup Matt Cassel. He continued on with justification of his hiring by Bowlen.
After the perplexing recitation of accomplishments, McDaniels suddenly shifted gears.
He began to bash and berate Cutler and his game to the tune of a verbal flogging neither had ever witnessed. The expletive-laden diatribe went on for a few minutes, after which Cook stood up and told Cutler they were leaving. As they walked down the long hallway past Bowlen's office, Cutler turned to Bus and said, "Get me out of here. I don't care how you do it."

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

It was said earlier this season that McDaniels was unlikely to leave because his family is settled in New England and he didn't like how things went for them with the Denver move and the St Louis move.

If he decided to pull out over his family then major kudos to him.

It took a bit longer than I called for the family excuse to come out but you got there

Foxtrol wrote: »

To go back on your word shows total selfishness on his part (though I'm sure he'll throw out some family excuse for it).

I'm enjoying watching you guys still twist yourselves in knots to avoid admitting what everyone can see, that it was a sh1tty move by your OC. Keep it up.

TOss Sweep

Oat23 wrote: »

Nail on the head. The Colts weren't doing anything in 2018 anyway. It's inconvenient but they'll get past it.

They will look back at this in the future and be glad he backed out.

My favourite McDaniels story. Cutty knew he was batsh*t insane after 20 minutes :pac:.

Highly exaggerated piece that was written by a guy who was no longer on the team nevermind in the room. McDaniels did a lot of things wrong in 2009 but Cutler denied some of the things said in the meeting. More of a fan of Cutler than I am McDaniels and I do feel the truth of that interview is somewhere in between this piece and this article written by Mort

I wont quote the whole thing but

McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.


"That just isn't true," McDaniels said. "Not a word has been said about that."


Cutler added: "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm enjoying watching you guys still twist yourselves in knots to avoid admitting what everyone can see, that it was a sh1tty move by your OC. Keep it up.

Twist ourselves in knots? Comical

Bit in bold oh yeah?

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I must be the only one who doesn't feel completely for the assistants. Even as someone who got burned in a similar fashion years ago with a job signing contracts before the person who is bringing you there is risky business. IS McDaniels a dick for doing what he did of course but he realistically was within his own right to change his mind. This will all blow over. As usual the media and everyone jumping on the bandwagon.

Nice try though

BizzyC

Billy86 wrote: »

BizzyC wrote: »

It's the same if you were moving job yourself, until you've signed a new contract it's still a possibility that you're current employer will counter offer.
I don't feel bad at all for the Colts, they didn't have him locked in so they shouldn't have started making announcements yet.
Having said that, the fact that Josh convinced other coaches to come work for him and then pulled out without telling them is a total d!ck move. He should have at least spoken to those guys first.

Does make you wonder what Kraft offered to keep him around, seems unlikely that he's turning down a HC contract now in favour of waiting around another 4-5 years for BB to retire.

I don't feel sorry for the Colts, it's predictably unprofessional from them to announce/hype up your new head coach while he has yet to sign everything. But as others have pointed out, it is exceptionally sh*tty towards the assistants etc who were about to move their lives and careers a huge distance to work with him.

As others pointed out? That was literally what my post said, how did you manage to re-iterate what I said in a way that made it look like you disagree?? :D

BizzyC

It seems Tony Dungy also agrees:
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]"Haven’t read the article but I can tell you there is NO excuse big enough to justify this. It’s one thing to go back on your word to an organization. But having assistant coaches leave jobs to go with you then leave them out to dry is indefensible. For COMFORT??"[/font]

99 Bortles of Beer

To be fair, Tony Dungy is among the last people on earth I'd look to for an opinion on anything.

eagle eye

99 Bortles of Beer wrote:

To be fair, Tony Dungy is among the last people on earth I'd look to for an opinion on anything.

Especially Colts and Patriots related. He is taking one side completely in that scenario.

Billy86

BizzyC wrote: »

As others pointed out? That was literally what my post said, how did you manage to re-iterate what I said in a way that made it look like you disagree?? :D

It's a talent.

BonnieSituation

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Speaking for me personally, not that long. Spoke about it before, mainly in the Pats thread, that it's been amazing. Was a fan before Bill/Brady, and that won't change after it. I still treasure getting to the SB and going 18:0. Tough to take the loss, but I still put merit in making it.

Don't think you'd find many of the Pats fans howling when Joss was due to leave, and there won't be many high-fiving now that he's staying. He has had the greatest QB to work with, makes the job easier. And then he has Bill running the other side of it, and an owner like Kraft.

If Bill decides to stay around for a few more years, then Joss probably should have gone if he wants to be a HC. But if Kraft did offer him significantly more money, and he felt comfortable in NE, then ok.

The narrative can be that both SF and Indy got lucky. Ok, I'm fine with that. I've no idea if he is more ready now than what he was (as I said, he has a nice setup in NE to look good).

And that's all fair enough. It's just does sometimes stick in the craw of others when it does appear that wagons are circling and naturally it becomes seemingly, MORE than a stereotype. Maybe it so happens that the Pats fans on here are slightly more active than others, but honestly as a long time reader/recent poster of this forum I have noticed it. But then again as a Broncos fan... I might be a tad biased against ye eh?

And as you have said above and TOss mentioned, of course NE fans aren't jumping with joy with him potentially leaving or staying. No one mentioned he did. Some of us just think it's a weird one.

As regards the narrative, I only mentioned SF as it was a scenario that occurred before that had a semblance of similarity and that we can use as part of a story re JMcD. Anyway, he's staying in Foxboro. Que sera sera.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

What has this got to do with the Pats losing? Two very different topics. People are obsessed with Patriots fans reacting to anything Patriots

It has to do with the loss merely as a "mood" amplifier. I would wager that Pats fans are more annoyed this week than last. It's natural. You are human!

As I said above, it's got to do with the way some of us non-Pats fans seem to see reaction to Pats related items no matter what they are. Whether it is a case of "circling the wagons" or not, it does come across that way. So apologies if not.

It has all the hallmarks of the lads over on the Kerry GAA board form my POV. Though, nothing quite to that level.

Anyway it's a long off-season. Best to for us all to keep the powder dry. Or until at least I found out that we're still going with the holy trinity at QB and I give up on grid iron full-stop.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Lesson here is dont sign everyone up until.you have the main piece of the puzzle actually signed up. Also dont make announcements until you have their signature. Business 101. You can call it ****ty all you want but something changed for McDaniels and he decided to stay and i doubt he made any change any of mind before yesterday given he was still convincing staff to leave with him yesterday. Its funny how we are askes if we ever calm down but if McDaniels wasnt a Pats coach the media wouldnt be so upset. As for the other coaches they are used to the world of here today gone tomorrow.

Listen, you're right and no one is disputing this. It just all seems a bit unseemly. The narrative now is that it was for family reasons and that's a big big deal naturally. But his family existed long before Tuesday.

It just seems ****ty.

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Also I honestly can't be f**ked multi-quoting a lot of your responses to me yesterday. I read them on the bus on the way home from the city and the seething has passed. So :P
We'll leave it!

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Is it September yet?

j8wk2feszrnpao

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And that's all fair enough. It's just does sometimes stick in the craw of others when it does appear that wagons are circling and naturally it becomes seemingly, MORE than a stereotype. Maybe it so happens that the Pats fans on here are slightly more active than others, but honestly as a long time reader/recent poster of this forum I have noticed it. But then again as a Broncos fan... I might be a tad biased against ye eh?

And as you have said above and TOss mentioned, of course NE fans aren't jumping with joy with him potentially leaving or staying. No one mentioned he did. Some of us just think it's a weird one.

It has to do with the loss merely as a "mood" amplifier. I would wager that Pats fans are more annoyed this week than last. It's natural. You are human!

As I said above, it's got to do with the way some of us non-Pats fans seem to see reaction to Pats related items no matter what they are. Whether it is a case of "circling the wagons" or not, it does come across that way. So apologies if not.

To be honest, it's nothing to do with circling the wagons. I think some people are OTT about it, as if it worst thing to happen (based on the language used).

Often on here, if a Pats fan has a reaction/comment, the usually "circling the wagon" line comes out; it's as if we can't comment without it being protective (that's the stereotype).

I don't care if it was McDaniels or someone else, I still would say some people are over reacting with their comments. But I'm a Pats fans, so that only means one thing it seems.

You think it's a weird move by him, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. I understand it if the offer was more money (and maybe the promise of HC in NE within a certain time). The other coaches will have jobs, and for all I know (or any of us know) he phoned them or the Colts to confirm that.

Personally, I still think he should have taken the HC job and moved on. Not that's he's done a bad job, but that it's good (like Patrica) to move on and take that opportunity; get out of Bills shadow. Who knows when Bill decides to move on, he may be stuck as OC for quite some time more.

In terms of annoyance/mood from the loss, not at all. I think we're disappointed, but the mood (from what I can tell) is that we were not good enough and the Eagles deserved it. Remembering back to our first win, I'm happy for the guys in here. It's doesn't hurt the legacy of Bill/Brady/Pats, just a missed opportunity to add to it.
So ultimately, Que sera sera