The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

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BonnieSituation wrote: »

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Oh, of course not :rolleyes:

I'm as cool as they come. Making observations about a former headcoach of my team, that I was glad to see the back of is hardly knickertwist worthy.

Just chats is all. When do you lot calm down after an SB loss?

Indy and by extension SF dodged quite a bullet based on my uneducated observations of the situation as I read stuff online.

That being said, who in their right mind would want to follow BB at NE? (Assuming [making asses of us all] as most are that there's been some sort of assurance that he's top of the list of choices)

What has this got to do with the Pats losing? Two very different topics. People are obsessed with Patriots fans reacting to anything Patriots

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Lesson here is dont sign everyone up until.you have the main piece of the puzzle actually signed up. Also dont make announcements until you have their signature. Business 101. You can call it ****ty all you want but something changed for McDaniels and he decided to stay and i doubt he made any change any of mind before yesterday given he was still convincing staff to leave with him yesterday. Its funny how we are askes if we ever calm down but if McDaniels wasnt a Pats coach the media wouldnt be so upset. As for the other coaches they are used to the world of here today gone tomorrow.

BizzyC

It's the same if you were moving job yourself, until you've signed a new contract it's still a possibility that you're current employer will counter offer.
I don't feel bad at all for the Colts, they didn't have him locked in so they shouldn't have started making announcements yet.
Having said that, the fact that Josh convinced other coaches to come work for him and then pulled out without telling them is a total d!ck move. He should have at least spoken to those guys first.

Does make you wonder what Kraft offered to keep him around, seems unlikely that he's turning down a HC contract now in favour of waiting around another 4-5 years for BB to retire.

Knex*

Reminds me of when Bill went to the Browns only for Parcells to announce his retirement from the Giants not long after. Belichek would have taken the Giants job with both hands if he had known.

Perhaps this is something similar, albeit with Belicheck actually given Josh and Kraft the heads up as to when he plans to leave.

Either way, McDaniels comes across horrendously here anyway. His rep is ruined outside of New England. His assistants all have signed contracts with Indie and have to uproot and move now for a franchise with no head coach. The next head coach is stuck with McDaniel's staff.

Whole thing is nuts. I'd be furious if I was a Colts fan.

bruschi

Knex. wrote: »

Reminds me of when Bill went to the Browns only for Parcells to announce his retirement from the Giants not long after. Belichek would have taken the Giants job with both hands if he had known.

Perhaps this is something similar, albeit with Belicheck actually given Josh and Kraft the heads up as to when he plans to leave.

Either way, McDaniels comes across horrendously here anyway. His rep is ruined outside of New England. His assistants all have signed contracts with Indie and have to uproot and move now for a franchise with no head coach. The next head coach is stuck with McDaniel's staff.

Whole thing is nuts. I'd be furious if I was a Colts fan.

thats what came into my head too, particularly after seeing the Two Bills 30 for 30 at the weekend.

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BonnieSituation wrote: »

I'm as cool as they come. Making observations about a former headcoach of my team, that I was glad to see the back of is hardly knickertwist worthy.

You are cool as can be but Pats fans aren't right?

Just chats is all. When do you lot calm down after an SB loss?

On this again most of us post this way all the time. All of my posts in the last 24 hours carry no anger over the Pats loss. This is how I normally post.

Indy and by extension SF dodged quite a bullet based on my uneducated observations of the situation as I read stuff online.

So 2nd person to bring up SF. Let me throw this your way and the bitter SF fan. If it is so obvious to you two that Josh did the same thing why didn't the Colts and the other coaches not air on the side of caution with Josh? See where I am going with this

That being said, who in their right mind would want to follow BB at NE? (Assuming [making asses of us all] as most are that there's been some sort of assurance that he's top of the list of choices)

When Bill leaves there will be coaches lining up for the role. Whether McDaniels takes it or not there will be a long list of possible candidates.

Im no pr1ck and get the annoyance that these guys pulled the trigger on Josh's word but I have been in a similar situation with a job that I lost because it was dependent on a team of people signing and the main piece decided they were going to stick around so our contracts were voided. Lesson learned for me though if your job is dependent on someone else make sure they have put pen to paper first. Do I hold grudges on that person no I don't it is what it is. I moved on and got over it.

BonnieSituation

Trojan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/melissalockard/status/961053452599111680

Noice

Billy86

BizzyC wrote: »

It's the same if you were moving job yourself, until you've signed a new contract it's still a possibility that you're current employer will counter offer.
I don't feel bad at all for the Colts, they didn't have him locked in so they shouldn't have started making announcements yet.
Having said that, the fact that Josh convinced other coaches to come work for him and then pulled out without telling them is a total d!ck move. He should have at least spoken to those guys first.

Does make you wonder what Kraft offered to keep him around, seems unlikely that he's turning down a HC contract now in favour of waiting around another 4-5 years for BB to retire.

I don't feel sorry for the Colts, it's predictably unprofessional from them to announce/hype up your new head coach while he has yet to sign everything. But as others have pointed out, it is exceptionally sh*tty towards the assistants etc who were about to move their lives and careers a huge distance to work with him.

Foxtrol

munstermagic11 wrote: »

The bitterness just oozing out of you.

Closing ranks against anything perceived as negative toward anyone in the organization - it's the Patriot fan way.

I see you've avoided commenting on how his late change of mind has impacted his planned new assistants and their families, along with his apparent cowardice in not calling them when he made his decision. Very telling.

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Foxtrol wrote: »

Closing ranks against anything perceived as negative toward anyone in the organization - it's the Patriot fan way.

Sure that is exactly what it is. All Pats fans close ranks hahahahhaha classic

Most Pats fans will tell you that although we are happy on some levels he stayed we wouldn't be upset if he left.

I see you've avoided commenting on how his late change of mind has impacted his planned new assistants and their families, along with his apparent cowardice in not calling them when he made his decision. Very telling.

Why does he need to you and everyone else already gave your opinion on that do you honestly think what anyone else has to say will change your opinion of it?

But your bitterness does show in response to my posts though. You brought up the 49ers even though it had nothing to do with the current situation and was completely different and comparing apples and oranges.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Foxtrol wrote: »

Closing ranks against anything perceived as negative toward anyone in the organization - it's the Patriot fan way.

I see you've avoided commenting on how his late change of mind has impacted his planned new assistants and their families, along with his apparent cowardice in not calling them when he made his decision. Very telling.

Sorry, I should have said the bitterness is spilling out of you.

Paully D

I wonder what Mike Zimmer thinks of McDaniels’ stunt? :pac:

Here’s what he said about Petrino that time :pac:

"He came in and said he resigned, he would talk to us all at a later date, walked out of the office and no one has ever talked to him since. Not that anybody wanted to.

"He's a gutless bastard. Quote that. I don't give a s**t."

Lionbacker

:pac::pac::pac:

https://twitter.com/Wrath_of_John/status/961038740314513408

Foxtrol

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Why does he need to you and everyone else already gave your opinion on that do you honestly think what anyone else has to say will change your opinion of it?

Because munstermagic11 chose to post about how he was entitled to make the decision while ignoring the impact of this on assistants and their families. It is always telling when someone tries to defend a person while ignoring the main issues that others have with them.

But your bitterness does show in response to my posts though. You brought up the 49ers even though it had nothing to do with the current situation and was completely different and comparing apples and oranges.

I brought up the 49ers because it was another example of McDaniels seemingly being interested in a job before later pulling out, which you seem very sore that I had a better recollection of. Despite you attempts to strawman, I never said it was same situation and specifically called out the differences.

You’ve gone full tinfoil hat with this whole bitterness thing. If I was so bitter I’m sure you’d find plenty of posts about me calling McDaniels my number 1 choice last year, followed by ones annoyed that we didn’t get him, then more slating him throughout the last year. You won’t find any of them because they don’t exist, I didn’t give a crap about McDaniels yesterday and I don’t give a crap about him today. I simply found his actions yesterday unprofessional regarding the Colts and scummy towards his assistants and I would have left my post at that if it wasn’t for the usual Patriot wagon circling, trying to excuse the inexcusable.

Jolly Red Giant

This is typical McDaniels - telling the colts he'd take the job - giving them a list of assistants that then then went out and hired on the basis that they would be working with McDaniels - several of them have already moved their families to Indianapolis and had started working - and then he walks away. Its the McDaniels version of the Patriot Way.

I think major changes could be on the way in NE - by all accounts Belichick is feuding with the NE owners and I wouldn't be surprised if he announced his retirement during the off-season. Furthermore, replacing BB with McDaniels before next season gives McDaniels a year or two with Brady as QB (unless Brady goes as well) in the hope of a smooth transition.

McDaniels is an arrogant, egotistical, self-obsessed individual who has demonstrated that he has lost none of the traits that led him to nearly wrecking the Denver Broncos when he was head coach there. Pats fans can look forward to him similarly wrecking the Patriots when he becomes top dog.

OldMrBrennan83

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Blut2

Most of the replies seem to be feeling sorry for the assistant coaches hes screwing over, which seems fairly reasonable. The Colts are being far less damaged by this move, in comparison.

Jolly Red Giant

Blut2 wrote: »

Most of the replies seem to be feeling sorry for the assistant coaches hes screwing over, which seems fairly reasonable. The Colts are being far less damaged by this move, in comparison.

True - despite the fact that these people are well paid - they are workers and their families on short term temporary contracts. I also feel sorry for Colts fans because they now face a dysfunctional year because of McDaniels.

Someone suggested that McDaniels will never get another HC interview - which could well be true - I think his bigger problem will be getting assistants to come and work for him when he does take over in NE. Why would any experienced assistant dream of working for a guy who is capable of screwing the newly hired coaches the way he has.

OldMrBrennan83

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Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Someone suggested that McDaniels will never get another HC interview - which could well be true - I think his bigger problem will be getting assistants to come and work for him when he does take over in NE. Why would any experienced assistant dream of working for a guy who is capable of screwing the newly hired coaches the way he has.

You are deluded if you think this will affect him in any way finding staff if he ever takes over at the Patriots

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Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I think major changes could be on the way in NE - by all accounts Belichick is feuding with the NE owners and I wouldn't be surprised if he announced his retirement during the off-season. Furthermore, replacing BB with McDaniels before next season gives McDaniels a year or two with Brady as QB (unless Brady goes as well) in the hope of a smooth transition.

Oh yeah you got solid factual proof of these feuds? You should stop believing everything you read on ESPN

McDaniels is an arrogant, egotistical, self-obsessed individual who has demonstrated that he has lost none of the traits that led him to nearly wrecking the Denver Broncos when he was head coach there. Pats fans can look forward to him similarly wrecking the Patriots when he becomes top dog.

Wow he really grinds you gears eh? Tell us how you really feel. I hope he does eventually take the Pats job even more now so we can see you piss and moan about him over and over something you never do about the Patriots........ Oh wait.

As for ruining the Patriots yeah sure ok. hahahah best laugh today

Jolly Red Giant

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Wow he really grinds you gears eh? Tell us how you really feel. I hope he does eventually take the Pats job even more now so we can see you piss and moan about him over and over something you never do about the Patriots........ Oh wait.

Circling the wagons - and I sincerely do hope he gets the Pats job - I'll enjoy seeing them in the NFL basement.

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Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Circling the wagons - and I sincerely do hope he gets the Pats job - I'll enjoy seeing them in the NFL basement.

Best laugh all day thanks a mil.

99 Bortles of Beer

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Circling the wagons - and I sincerely do hope he gets the Pats job - I'll enjoy seeing them in the NFL basement.

Of course you'd enjoy it.

Misery loves company.

TOss Sweep

So it turns out he was offered more money and then there is this

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/961045214399025152

OldMrBrennan83

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j8wk2feszrnpao

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Wow he really grinds you gears eh?

JRR has this really troublesome and bizarre fascination with McDaniels. Borderline creepy with some of the stuff he's written previously.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Foxtrol wrote: »

if it wasn’t for the usual Patriot wagon circling, trying to excuse the inexcusable.

Speaking of tinfoil hats. Now it's pouring out of you.

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I must be the only one who doesn't feel completely for the assistants. Even as someone who got burned in a similar fashion years ago with a job signing contracts before the person who is bringing you there is risky business. IS McDaniels a dick for doing what he did of course but he realistically was within his own right to change his mind. This will all blow over. As usual the media and everyone jumping on the bandwagon

These guys would have found other jobs and the colts wont go wrong keeping a couple of them

Dave DeGuglielmo was sacked by the Dolphins only recently and a number of team were interested in him.

Matt Eberflus is a great pickup and he was pipped to move in the world with the Cowboys eventually so whoever takes the job now will do well having him as their DC. Guy is good

Mike Pahir spent the last 3 years in University of Illinois but has a solid resume and another good DL coach.

Overall these guys will be good for the Colts but even if they had to leave they would find Jobs very easy.

Sucks what happened but life goes on.

Jolly Red Giant

munstermagic11 wrote: »

JRR has this really troublesome and bizarre fascination with McDaniels. Borderline creepy with some of the stuff he's written previously.

Really - do you seriously think that I give a single sh*te about McDaniels?

Pats fans repeatedly claimed on here that McDaniels would have learned from McDisaster, that he would be changed and more mature - except he has just proven that he isn't.

The Pats are welcome to him - he is the epitome of the Patriot Way - and I look forward to the day he is the Pats HC.