The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Realt Dearg Sec

That's terrible form. Leaves the Colts in an absolutely horrible position. Incredibly unprofessional. That is, assuming the Colts didn't jump the gun in announcing the hire, but I don't they did somehow.

TOss Sweep

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That's terrible form. Leaves the Colts in an absolutely horrible position. Incredibly unprofessional. That is, assuming the Colts didn't jump the gun in announcing the hire, but I don't they did somehow.

No difference to any job really. We must not forget he didn't sign any contracts due to the NFL rules on signing coaches. Also no difference to me or you accepting a job and then having second thoughts or our current employer last minute throw a bucket of cash at you to stay. The Colts have plenty of time to find new coaches. Business is business.

Foxtrol

I had nightmares of this happening with the 49ers last year while we waited for Shanahan.

Absolutely terrible from McDaniels though. How is a team or player supposed to trust his word after that kind of turnaround? Think the only acceptable excuse would be if he is taking over from Bill this offseason but I doubt it.

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

Think the only acceptable excuse would be if he is taking over from Bill this offseason but I doubt it.

Acceptable to who though?

Lesson learned for any team never announce it until the contract has been officially signed.

Foxtrol

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Acceptable to who though?

Lesson learned for any team never announce it until the contract has been officially signed.

Maybe not acceptable but I think the general public/fan would look less negatively on him if he gets the HC job at the Pats this year. It is still unprofessional but I think you have some more justification than you do if you turnaround and go back to your old job.

That's one lesson from it and another is to never trust the word of Josh McDaniels. Not only did he go back on his word to the Colts but also multiple guys who he reached out to and they have now already signed up to be his assistants there. Really scummy move.

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

Maybe not acceptable but I think the general public/fan would look less negatively on him if he gets the HC job at the Pats this year. It is still unprofessional but I think you have some more justification than you do if you turnaround and go back to your old job.

It will blow over very quickly or it wont because it is the Pats he stayed with but he is not the first coach/player/professional to do it and he wont be the last.

That's one lesson from it and another is to never trust the word of Josh McDaniels. Not only did he go back on his word to the Colts but also multiple guys who he reached out to and they have now already signed up to be his assistants there. Really scummy move.

This wont affect him getting a job down the line if he eventually leaves the Pats. The next team will wait until the contract is actually signed before announcing it.

What he did is no different to any person accepting a job and then having second thoughts or getting a better offer. Just because he is a pro football coach it doesn't change that this is more common than most think. Im willing to bet the Colts already have a backup plan.

BonnieSituation

TOss Sweep wrote: »

It will blow over very quickly or it wont because it is the Pats he stayed with but he is not the first coach/player/professional to do it and he wont be the last.



This wont affect him getting a job down the line if he eventually leaves the Pats. The next team will wait until the contract is actually signed before announcing it.

What he did is no different to any person accepting a job and then having second thoughts or getting a better offer. Just because he is a pro football coach it doesn't change that this is more common than most think. Im willing to bet the Colts already have a backup plan.

Done it a couple of times myself in the last couple of years. It's a pain in the ass for the potential employers but they move on. One should always be loyal to yourself.

It's just weird to see it in the NFL because everything is done so publicly.

Out of curiosity, who was the last HC appt that went like this? Genuinely have no idea!

TOss Sweep

Belichick did something similar to the Jets. He was Parcell's assistant and when Parcells left the Jet Bill was to take over and the Jets announced him as their new HC and he then resigned and wound up with the Pats.

BonnieSituation

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Belichick did something similar to the Jets. He was Parcell's assistant and when Parcells left the Jet Bill was to take over and the Jets announced him as their new HC and he then resigned and wound up with the Pats.

Yeah. That's a Biggie.

But easily assumed it's happened again in the subsequent decades... Mad if not!

You'd think it's happened at least a couple of more times given how often coaches get the heave ho in the league

Foxtrol

TOss Sweep wrote: »

It will blow over very quickly or it wont because it is the Pats he stayed with but he is not the first coach/player/professional to do it and he wont be the last.

This wont affect him getting a job down the line if he eventually leaves the Pats. The next team will wait until the contract is actually signed before announcing it.

What he did is no different to any person accepting a job and then having second thoughts or getting a better offer. Just because he is a pro football coach it doesn't change that this is more common than most think. Im willing to bet the Colts already have a backup plan.

It isn't at all like one of us backing out on a job late in the process. Don't know anyone who has talked others into moving their families across the country to work for them, letting them sign contracts, only to leave them hanging.

This isn't the first case of him changing his mind, he lead the 49ers on last year before dropping out 3 weeks before the Super Bowl (thankfully not 2 days after).

I disagree, it will definitely impact him if the Patriots make it deep. Can't see any team holding out for him if they have any guys interested that are decent. He doesn't have a stellar resume outside of his time with the Patriots (being extremely kind) so why leave yourself open for another of his change of hearts.

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

It isn't at all like one of us backing out on a job late in the process. Don't know anyone who has talked others into moving their families across the country to work for them, letting them sign contracts, only to leave them hanging.

Again on the team throwing out contracts without having the main man actually signed on paper. Assistants and DC and OC live a life on the road and their families put up with it.

This isn't the first case of him changing his mind, he lead the 49ers on last year before dropping out 3 weeks before the Super Bowl (thankfully not 2 days after).

He didn't lead the 49ers on at all. 3 teams were interested in signing him on January 2nd 2017 and the said on January 16th 2017 he was staying in New England. And as the Pats were in the playoffs I am 100% sure he didn't even interview with the 49ers. 49ers also had 2 other candidates in mind.

Edit I stand corrected he did interview with them but did not lead them on as you suggested. He interviewed with them on January 7th 2017. So he mulled it over for a week and then said no. 2 very different situations. They also interviewed other candidates in that same time frame.

I disagree, it will definitely impact him if the Patriots make it deep. Can't see any team holding out for him if they have any guys interested that are decent. He doesn't have a stellar resume outside of his time with the Patriots (being extremely kind) so why leave yourself open for another of his change of hearts.

Your opinion and I respect that but I disagree. Teams will always come knocking on his door unless he takes over from Bill.

Foxtrol

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Again on the team throwing out contracts without having the main man actually signed on paper. Assistants and DC and OC live a life on the road and their families put up with it.

How does the fact that they live nomadic lives absolve McDaniels from lying to them? They made career and life decisions for themselves and their families and he just turned his back on them. It is a scummy thing to do.

He didn't lead the 49ers on at all. 3 teams were interested in signing him on January 2nd 2017 and the said on January 16th 2017 he was staying in New England. And as the Pats were in the playoffs I am 100% sure he didn't even interview with the 49ers. 49ers also had 2 other candidates in mind.

The 49ers website disagrees with 100% certainty

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Interview-Josh-McDaniels-for-Head-Coach-/8b5c21a7-35ca-49c4-8e19-23715014fe84

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

How does the fact that they live nomadic lives absolve McDaniels from lying to them? They made career and life decisions for themselves and their families and he just turned his back on them. It is a scummy thing to do.

You are doing an awful lot of speculating. I doubt McDaniels knew before today he was going to turn down the job. Only yesterday the Pats QB coach decided to move with McDaniels also. I doubt Josh would have said hey buddy come with knowing he was going to change his mind the next day. The Pats must have offered him something better here.

The 49ers website disagrees with 100% certainty

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Interview-Josh-McDaniels-for-Head-Coach-/8b5c21a7-35ca-49c4-8e19-23715014fe84

Read my post again. I edited it to say I was wrong.

He didn't lead the 49ers on at all. 3 teams were interested in signing him on January 2nd 2017 and the said on January 16th 2017 he was staying in New England. And as the Pats were in the playoffs I am 100% sure he didn't even interview with the 49ers. 49ers also had 2 other candidates in mind.

Edit I stand corrected he did interview with them but did not lead them on as you suggested. He interviewed with them on January 7th 2017. So he mulled it over for a week and then said no. 2 very different situations. They also interviewed other candidates in that same time frame.

But it is not as bad as you are making it out to be though. And certainly nowhere near the same as the Colts actually telling everyone he signed with them.

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

How does the fact that they live nomadic lives absolve McDaniels from lying to them? They made career and life decisions for themselves and their families and he just turned his back on them. It is a scummy thing to do.

I will leave it with this it almost seems you want your scenario to be true so you can be right about McDaniels being a scumbag and liar. We have no idea why he made the u-turn today but yet you want to make out he knew all a long he was going to stay in New England and lied to these other guys. You also tried to use the 49ers situation last year to bulk your opinion and you were wrong to as it was no where close to being the same. Anyways I am done and You are entitled to your opinion.

Foxtrol

TOss Sweep wrote: »

You are doing an awful lot of speculating. I doubt McDaniels knew before today he was going to turn down the job. Only yesterday the Pats QB coach decided to move with McDaniels also. I doubt Josh would have said hey buddy come with knowing he was going to change his mind the next day. The Pats must have offered him something better here.

Even if he didn't know before today, you don't drag others into it unless you are sure you will follow through. To go back on your word shows total selfishness on his part (though I'm sure he'll throw out some family excuse for it). I don't know how he can now turn and ask for high standards of honesty and professionalism from his players after acting like that.

The Colts probably dodged a bullet.

Read my post again. I edited it to say I was wrong.

I quoted your post before you edited.

But it is not as bad as you are making it out to be though. And certainly nowhere near the same as the Colts actually telling everyone he signed with them.

I don't know can you possibly say the Colts are worse here. They should have waited until the ink was dry but from the sound of things everything bar that was done, from him verbally agreeing a contract, him making plans, hiring assistants, right down to the press conference set up for tomorrow. I'm guessing they wanted to get photos of him signing the contract at the facilities like a lot of teams do. I don't see how they could think he was going to be that unprofessional.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

I will leave it with this it almost seems you want your scenario to be true so you can be right about McDaniels being a scumbag and liar. We have no idea why he made the u-turn today but yet you want to make out he knew all a long he was going to stay in New England and lied to these other guys. You also tried to use the 49ers situation last year to bulk your opinion and you were wrong to as it was no where close to being the same. Anyways I am done and You are entitled to your opinion.

I'd rather he wasn't, as I was interested in seeing what he could do with Luck, but as of now everything points to it being a scummy action and I'll happily revise if anything else comes out. We'll probably never know if he was lying or just last minute selfishness, I don't see how it can be twisted into anything else. I never said it was the same thing with the 49ers. You were wrong saying he didn't interview with them, I was clear from the start saying he led them on going through the process before pulling out 3 weeks before. Thankfully it is a lot different to what happened here, or we might have lost Shanahan, but it is another instance of him batting his eyes at a team before walking away.

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

Even if he didn't know before today, you don't drag others into it unless you are sure you will follow through. To go back on your word shows total selfishness on his part (though I'm sure he'll throw out some family excuse for it). I don't know how he can now turn and ask for high standards of honesty and professionalism from his players after acting like that.

What you don't drag others into it? Up until today he was going to the Colts. So he didn't exactly "drag" others into and if he did only decide today to change his mind then unless he can see into the future how would he know he was "dragging" guys into anything other than a job with the Colts.

Again you are doing nothing but speculating and twisting this to suit your own narrative. You just want your own narrative to be true because what is clear you think he is a scumbag and a liar. You still don't know why he changed his mind but you have already made your mind up.

As for players caring? Yeah ok.

How can you possibly say the Colts are worse here? They should have waited until the ink was dry but from the sound of things everything bar that was done, from him verbally agreeing a contract, him making plans, hiring assistants, right down to the press conference set up for tomorrow. I'm guessing they wanted to get photos of him signing the contract at the facilities like a lot of teams do. I don't see how they could think he was going to be that unprofessional.

Read what I said I am not blaming the Colts. He "signed" for the Colts. He didn't sign for the 49ers. So different situations. YOu used it to say he did the same thing to the 4ers as he did the Colts which is simply not true.

Personally I could care less what he does people changing their minds on jobs is nothing new in the working world. I would extend that same ideal to pro sports. I doubt we will ever know if he decided to change his mind before today. I doubt it given Schuplinski only decided to join with him on Tuesday morning. But whatever at this point.

TOss Sweep

Foxtrol wrote: »

You were wrong saying he didn't interview with them, I was clear from the start saying he led them on going through the process before pulling out 3 weeks before. Thankfully it is a lot different to what happened here, or we might have lost Shanahan, but it is another instance of him batting his eyes at a team before walking away.

No **** sherlock I admitted being wrong so no idea why that is relevant and I admitted it before you corrected me. Lead them through the process? Isn't that what you do when interviewing though? You go through the process. You are forgetting there was 2 other candidates going through the process. McDaniels also interviewed with the Rams and Jaguars.

Batting his eyes at them though? They approached him as did the Rams and Jags haha You are making this out to be him telling the 49ers he wanted the job and then told them to pound sand which is simply not true. He turned down the interest from the 49ers 7 days after interviewing with them. How you can make out he screwed the 49ers is beyond me.

To be fair you are coming off as bitter because he rejected the 49ers last year.

Foxtrol

TOss Sweep wrote: »

What you don't drag others into it? Up until today he was going to the Colts. So he didn't exactly "drag" others into and if he did only decide today to change his mind then unless he can see into the future how would he know he was "dragging" guys into anything other than a job with the Colts.

Again you are doing nothing but speculating and twisting this to suit your own narrative. You just want your own narrative to be true because what is clear you think he is a scumbag and a liar. You still don't know why he changed his mind but you have already made your mind up.

As for players caring? Yeah ok.

I thought you were done :pac:

You get guys to move their families to join you at a team and then turn your back on them. I'm not twisting words, they are the facts as they stand. The only person twisting anything is you, trying to use the excuse that an assistant's job is nomadic so it doesn't matter what McDaniels said to them.

Read what I said I am not blaming the Colts. He "signed" for the Colts. He didn't sign for the 49ers. So different situations. YOu used it to say he did the same thing to the 4ers as he did the Colts which is simply not true.

This is what I said originally:

This isn't the first case of him changing his mind, he lead the 49ers on last year before dropping out 3 weeks before the Super Bowl (thankfully not 2 days after).

How is that possibly me saying it is the 'same thing'? I said he changed his mind about wanting the job, which he did in both cases, but I also clearly pointed out that he did so with the 49ers much earlier in the process than the Colts.

Personally I could care less what he does people changing their minds on jobs is nothing new in the working world. I would extend that same ideal to pro sports. I doubt we will ever know if he decided to change his mind before today. I doubt it given Schuplinski only decided to join with him on Tuesday morning. But whatever at this point.

I totally agree that people changing their mind on jobs is normal albeit unprofessional. What is not normal is to get group of friends/acquaintances/colleagues together, promote joining a new company together, have them quit their jobs, sign contracts with the new company, and then decide you'll actually stay where you are.

TOss Sweep wrote: »

No **** sherlock I admitted being wrong so no idea why that is relevant and I admitted it before you corrected me. Lead them through the process? Isn't that what you do when interviewing though? You go through the process. You are forgetting there was 2 other candidates going through the process. McDaniels also interviewed with the Rams and Jaguars.

Batting his eyes at them though? They approached him as did the Rams and Jags haha You are making this out to be him telling the 49ers he wanted the job and then told them to pound sand which is simply not true. He turned down the interest from the 49ers 7 days after interviewing with them. How you can make out he screwed the 49ers is beyond me.

To be fair you are coming off as bitter because he rejected the 49ers last year.

Why would I be bitter about that? He was preferable to Cable but Shanahan is a much better coach. McDaniels has been a disaster when he doesn't have Bill and Brady holding his hand. He's the man who was involved in drafting Tebow in the first round, spygate junior, and the OC for one of the lowest scoring teams in history with the Rams. Add today's news and I think the Colts and the 49ers dodged bullets. I look forward to him being the Patriots David Moyes.

Foxtrol

https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/961069796879142914

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j8wk2feszrnpao

Foxtrol wrote: »

I look forward to him being the Patriots David Moyes.

The bitterness just oozing out of you.

BonnieSituation

Ye're all getting fierce defensive.

The mood all over NFL.com is one that rings similar to Foxtrol.

They can't all be bitter Pats haters can they be?

When I was asking TOss Sweep last night about other examples of this happening, I hadn't realised that he had gotten staff sorted for Indy and that they had signed contracts! Defo a ****ty move in that case.

j8wk2feszrnpao

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Ye're all getting fierce defensive.

The mood all over NFL.com is one that rings similar to Foxtrol.

They can't all be bitter Pats haters can they be?

When I was asking TOss Sweep last night about other examples of this happening, I hadn't realised that he had gotten staff sorted for Indy and that they had signed contracts! Defo a ****ty move in that case.

It was late to make the decision, no doubt. But McDaniels has been quite about it all along. Indy and the media were releasing the statements.

He changed his mind.
Late? Yes. Entitled to? Yes. Need for so many to get their knickers in a twist? No.

BonnieSituation

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It was late to make the decision, no doubt. But McDaniels has been quite about it all along. Indy and the media were releasing the statements.

He changed his mind.
Late? Yes. Entitled to? Yes. Need for so many to get their knickers in a twist? No.

The "entitled to" part for me is predicated on whether he had a team in place in Indy. Seems he did based on what TOss has said on here and what I read this morning. If that's the case... the entitlement to call the whole thing off seems a bit "loose" to say the least.

Couldn't completely agree either that Indy jumped the gun. (In hindsight they did, but this is the done thing re coaching announcements, especially if he had assistant coaches already signed on!)

There's a specific type getting their knickers in a twist and it ain't myself or Foxtrol.

MileHighGuy

Gotta agree it is pretty bad form, but until the contracts are official you can always back out of these things. That said, I do think it reflects badly on McDaniels, and would give organisations pause when the next round of hiring happens (not that he's likely to care if he's been offered the HC job of the Patriots down the line)

At least he didn't do a Bobby Petrino on it and quit during the first season by leaving a note on everyone's locker!

Colts don't come out of this looking good and are in a tough spot for sure but they dodged a bullet in my opinion.

j8wk2feszrnpao

BonnieSituation wrote: »

There's a specific type getting their knickers in a twist and it ain't myself or Foxtrol.

Oh, of course not :rolleyes:

BonnieSituation

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Gotta agree it is pretty bad form, but until the contracts are official you can always back out of these things. That said, I do think it reflects badly on McDaniels, and would give organisations pause when the next round of hiring happens (not that he's likely to care if he's been offered the HC job of the Patriots down the line)

At least he didn't do a Bobby Petrino on it and quit during the first season by leaving a note on everyone's locker!

Colts don't come out of this looking good and are in a tough spot for sure but they dodged a bullet in my opinion.

Absolutely spot on.

BonnieSituation

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Oh, of course not :rolleyes:

I'm as cool as they come. Making observations about a former headcoach of my team, that I was glad to see the back of is hardly knickertwist worthy.

Just chats is all. When do you lot calm down after an SB loss?

Indy and by extension SF dodged quite a bullet based on my uneducated observations of the situation as I read stuff online.

That being said, who in their right mind would want to follow BB at NE? (Assuming [making asses of us all] as most are that there's been some sort of assurance that he's top of the list of choices)

Trojan

https://twitter.com/melissalockard/status/961053452599111680

j8wk2feszrnpao

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I'm as cool as they come. Making observations about a former headcoach of my team, that I was glad to see the back of is hardly knickertwist worthy.

Just chats is all. When do you lot calm down after an SB loss?

Indy and by extension SF dodged quite a bullet based on my uneducated observations of the situation as I read stuff online.

That being said, who in their right mind would want to follow BB at NE? (Assuming [making asses of us all] as most are that there's been some sort of assurance that he's top of the list of choices)

Speaking for me personally, not that long. Spoke about it before, mainly in the Pats thread, that it's been amazing. Was a fan before Bill/Brady, and that won't change after it. I still treasure getting to the SB and going 18:0. Tough to take the loss, but I still put merit in making it.

Don't think you'd find many of the Pats fans howling when Joss was due to leave, and there won't be many high-fiving now that he's staying. He has had the greatest QB to work with, makes the job easier. And then he has Bill running the other side of it, and an owner like Kraft.

If Bill decides to stay around for a few more years, then Joss probably should have gone if he wants to be a HC. But if Kraft did offer him significantly more money, and he felt comfortable in NE, then ok.

The narrative can be that both SF and Indy got lucky. Ok, I'm fine with that. I've no idea if he is more ready now than what he was (as I said, he has a nice setup in NE to look good).