The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

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Paully D wrote: »

La Canfora reporting that the Dolphins will be cutting Suh after this season.

Always felt they over paid for him. When he's on form, he's a beast; but not a game changer to reply upon.

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Billy86 wrote: »

Interesting, he's 30 but still has something to offer and was second team all pro last season. There have been attitude, dirtiness and work ethic concerns down the years over him, but if he's cheap and looking for a chance to win stuff I reckon this may have Patriots 1-2 year inexplicably low cost deal written all over it.

He'll need to take a big cut to join the Pats. Unless we trade Jimmy, he'll be on the franchise tag. So two highly paid QB's do not equal big money on Suh (or any free agent).

PhilipsR

eagle eye wrote: »

That is like something you'd hear from a politician trying to get elected.

That post is, to use your own word, Bullsh*t.

:pac: There's only one bull**** being posted in here and it's not Billy.

Billy86

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He'll need to take a big cut to join the Pats. Unless we trade Jimmy, he'll be on the franchise tag. So two highly paid QB's do not equal big money on Suh (or any free agent).

Oh yeah absolutely, I'm just often left jealous of how you guys get 30-something guys for great value. The worst was possibly Revis about three years back. Good point on Garoppollo though.

Billy86

eagle eye wrote: »

That is like something you'd hear from a politician trying to get elected.

That post is, to use your own word, Bullsh*t.

Wow, great job yet again making zero effort to refute any of my points. Just be honest and let us know it's nothing to do with the flag, the troops, his play, or "divisiveness" from kneeling.

TOss Sweep

I find it incredible that anyone can deny he is being blacklisted for kneeling. All of the evidence right now points at owners blacklisting him. The Ravens even gave it as their reason well hiding behind staunch fans opinions.

As I said sure there is teams that he just doesn't suit their system or they don't need him but to think some of these teams are taking guys with no experience over a guy who has shown he can perform just proves it is a PR nightmare in their eyes over his kneeling.

Im sorry EE but you are way off and wrong if you think its because he is a sh1t QB.

Edit : As for the locker room stuff? That is just nonsense EE. There has been nothing about players divided in locker rooms over Kap. You are just making that one up.

adrian522

MOD Note: This protest issue is obviously generating a lot of debate. I'm fine for the subject to be debated but let's keep the posts civil and constructive.

eagle eye

Billy86 wrote:

Wow, great job yet again making zero effort to refute any of my points. Just be honest and let us know it's nothing to do with the flag, the troops, his play, or "divisiveness" from kneeling.

If you ever managed any sports team at any level in your life you might understand but I doubt you have because you cannot accept what I'm saying at all.
Nobody wants a player on their team who might cause issues in the locker room. If the player is really good there are a lot of coaches that will bite the bullet and accept but some coaches, and I'd say the best ones, will not have players like that on their team.

You can look at it from a political point of view and scream bloody murder or look at it from a coaches point of view and understand that anyone or anything that might cause problems is not welcome.

Also you can throw out stats all day to back your argument as regards the level of play of Kaepernick but I've seen him play enough to know he is a poor QB. If I was really bothered I could go back through old game week threads and find lots of posts talking about how bad he was.

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eagle eye wrote: »

Billy86 wrote:

Wow, great job yet again making zero effort to refute any of my points. Just be honest and let us know it's nothing to do with the flag, the troops, his play, or "divisiveness" from kneeling.

If you ever managed any sports team at any level in your life you might understand but I doubt you have because you cannot accept what I'm saying at all.
Nobody wants a player on their team who might cause issues in the locker room. If the player is really good there are a lot of coaches that will bite the bullet and accept but some coaches, and I'd say the best ones, will not have players like that on their team.

You can look at it from a political point of view and scream bloody murder or look at it from a coaches point of view and understand that anyone or anything that might cause problems is not welcome.

Also you can throw out stats all day to back your argument as regards the level of play of Kaepernick but I've seen him play enough to know he is a poor QB. If I was really bothered I could go back through old game week threads and find lots of posts talking about how bad he was.

So what you are saying it is because of his kneeling? Im not following your debate. You said it wasn't because of his kneeling but yet you talk about distractions in the locker room. Those same distractions brought on by his kneeling. So ultimately you are arguing its not because of his kneeling but at the same time backing up the argument that it is.

If he never kneeled then there would be no distraction and he would be on a roster right now.

Billy86

eagle eye wrote: »

If you ever managed any sports team at any level in your life you might understand but I doubt you have because you cannot accept what I'm saying at all.
Nobody wants a player on their team who might cause issues in the locker room. If the player is really good there are a lot of coaches that will bite the bullet and accept but some coaches, and I'd say the best ones, will not have players like that on their team.

You can look at it from a political point of view and scream bloody murder or look at it from a coaches point of view and understand that anyone or anything that might cause problems is not welcome.

Also you can throw out stats all day to back your argument as regards the level of play of Kaepernick but I've seen him play enough to know he is a poor QB. If I was really bothered I could go back through old game week threads and find lots of posts talking about how bad he was.

You were not watching him play last season. If you are claiming you were and are still trying to claim he was awful, I flat out do not believe your claim and am clearly not alone in that.

Added to that, if you think his kneeling is divisive you would want most if not all of those players gone from NE over the offseason. Any validity for that claim went out the window the moment dozens if not over a hundred other players did the same.

He has been blacklisted for reasons unrelated to his play on the field and unrelated to dividing any locker room. It is at the very best, naive and uninformed to claim otherwise.

eagle eye

You are making a mountain out of a molehill here.
Obviously his kneeling is part of the reason. He is the​ the figurehead of all this and is the one that is hated by some because he was the first to do it.
I'm talking about the aftermath. He is now a divisive character due to this.

I seen him play last season and he was terrible. He was holding onto the ball far too long far too often. You can blame receivers for that but I blame him, there is such a thing as throwing it away to avoid the sack but he didn't do that, he thought he had the legs to get out of trouble and gave up huge yardage on numerous occasions thereby leaving his offense in a hole. I'm not saying he had a great offense around him but he certainly wasn't helping matters.

TOss Sweep

Im sorry EE but you are flip flopping all.over the place with your argument. You started telling us it was because he was sh1t and now you are saying its that and him being divisive and a distraction which lets face it is due to him taking a knee.

You are basically saying he is a distraction because of his protesting but you are throwing in him being sh1t for good measure.

Im bowing out pointless debate with you agree to disagree and all that nonsense.

Paully D

ESPN reporting that a couple of teams have reached out to the Lions about trading Megatron's rights. They were told by the Lions to go ahead and gauge his interest, but Megatron's reaction was described as "non-committal at best".

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Jerry Jones leading a charge to get rid of Goddell?
Peter King on Sky Sports just now, hadn’t heard of this previously.

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Not sure if Jets home game or KKK Rally

Itssoeasy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Jerry Jones leading a charge to get rid of Goddell?
Peter King on Sky Sports just now, hadn’t heard of this previously.

I'd heard his renewal as commissioner hadn't happened yet but I didn't think it was a case of him being gotten rid of. Does Jerry have that much power though ? He's only one owner with one vote. I'd have thought the rooneys and maras and the hunt families would have more influence then Jerry with them being old school NFL families.

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Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'd heard his renewal as commissioner hadn't happened yet but I didn't think it was a case of him being gotten rid of. Does Jerry have that much power though ? He's only one owner with one vote. I'd have thought the rooneys and maras and the hunt families would have more influence then Jerry with them being old school NFL families.

King saying that Jones is rallying other owners to either get rid of him or hit his pay.
Goodell is massively over paid for his role, but methinks this is Zeke related.

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munstermagic11 wrote: »

King saying that Jones is rallying other owners to either get rid of him or hit his pay.
Goodell is massively over paid for his role, but methinks this is Zeke related.

He seems to be fairly well liked among the owners and generally doesnt hurt the game the way some owners do, I'd say he has a bit of power tbh

Itssoeasy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'd heard his renewal as commissioner hadn't happened yet but I didn't think it was a case of him being gotten rid of. Does Jerry have that much power though ? He's only one owner with one vote. I'd have thought the rooneys and maras and the hunt families would have more influence then Jerry with them being old school NFL families.

King saying that Jones is rallying other owners to either get rid of him or hit his pay.
Goodell is massively over paid for his role, but methinks this is Zeke related.

Over paid according to who exactly ? Well zeke shouldn't have gotten himself in the situation he got himself into the ****e he got himself into.

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munstermagic11 wrote: »

but methinks this is Zeke related.

I think that might be right, and if so, the other owners won't be too interested. Most of the owners have a lot less interest in on-field stuff than Jones, they only care about money, and Goodell is pretty good at helping them make money. And the ones who DO care about the football side of things aren't likely to have much sympathy anyway. You can be pretty sure that as long as Virginia McCaskey is still alive and kicking there won't be any support coming from that family to help get a domestic violence accusation overlooked, for example.

Itssoeasy

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

munstermagic11 wrote: »

but methinks this is Zeke related.

I think that might be right, and if so, the other owners won't be too interested. Most of the owners have a lot less interest in on-field stuff than Jones, they only care about money, and Goodell is pretty good at helping them make money. And the ones who DO care about the football side of things aren't likely to have much sympathy anyway. You can be pretty sure that as long as Virginia McCaskey is still alive and kicking there won't be any support coming from that family to help get a domestic violence accusation overlooked, for example.

Virginia McCaskey is the Chiefs daughter isn't she ? It's the one thing I love about the NFL. It's that even after all the years there are still the old families still in charge of the old traditional teams like the bears.

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Itssoeasy wrote: »

Virginia McCaskey is the Chiefs daughter isn't she ? It's the one thing I love about the NFL. It's that even after all the years there are still the old families still in charge of the old traditional teams like the bears.

Yeah George Halas's daughter. She doesn't do much these days, her son George is the one making a mess of things nowadays instead, but the consensus is nothing major is done without her being consulted still. They are one of the owner families for whom the team is their main source of wealth.

Interesting side-note: Virginia is the reason the Bears don't have cheerleaders. She felt they were degrading. She got rid of them in 1986. Coincidence? You decide...

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Itssoeasy wrote: »

Over paid according to who exactly ?

Me. Other fans. Plenty of reporters. I reckon there’d be coaches, players, and it seems one owner at least, etc who’d feel the same.

Don’t think it’s a difficult job (considering the pay), the machine is already in place, and the money would continue to roll in without needing to pay Goodell ~$30m a year.

Billy86

eagle eye wrote: »

You are making a mountain out of a molehill here.
Obviously his kneeling is part of the reason. He is the​ the figurehead of all this and is the one that is hated by some because he was the first to do it.
I'm talking about the aftermath. He is now a divisive character due to this.

I seen him play last season and he was terrible. He was holding onto the ball far too long far too often. You can blame receivers for that but I blame him, there is such a thing as throwing it away to avoid the sack but he didn't do that, he thought he had the legs to get out of trouble and gave up huge yardage on numerous occasions thereby leaving his offense in a hole. I'm not saying he had a great offense around him but he certainly wasn't helping matters.

So it is about him kneeling, which is odd since you supported him doing so at the time. A player being blacklisted for non-football, non-illegal, non-violent reasons is not "a mountain out of a molehill" - no two ways about it.

It's also odd for you want to plant all the blame on him for taking sacks while ignoring him being very good at not throwing picks and doing a decent job moving the ball on top of the most scrambling yards per game. He does hold on to the ball too long -and he also eyes up his #1 option too often- because he's not a great QB, but that doesn't even come close to making him an unemployably 'crap' or 'awful' QB by any means both of which you have been eager to label him; plenty of other QBs do likewise. And you forgot to mention the offensive line who Gabbert was getting sacked very regularly behind as well as scrambling quite a lot - poor protection coupled with bad WRs both in terms of getting open and bringing in catches will do that. Gabbert's actual play besides that was also considerably worse and yet he is on a team.

I'm about done on this because I don't believe you're being in any way consistent on the matter. You're saying GB should address a lack of playing experience at QB by giving up draft picks for a guy with 14 pass attempts or a 31 year old with 78 pass attempts rather than look at Kaepernick (who has bags of experience, including in the playoffs) for free. You're trying to claim it's about Kaepernick's play one moment and he is not blacklisted, and that it is about kneeling the next. You're trying to say he would be divisive despite tonnes of players all over the league taking knees and you initially agreeing with his decision to do so. You're trying to claim he wasn't blacklisted but just isn't getting a job because he isn't good enough, meaning you think guys like Bryce Petty, Brock Osweiler, Scott Tolzien, Matt McGloin, Drew Stanton and Blaine Gabbert are better QBs than him. Your argument seems very confused, basically.

Itssoeasy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Over paid according to who exactly ?

Me. Other fans. Plenty of reporters. I reckon there’d be coaches, players, and it seems one owner at least, etc who’d feel the same.

Don’t think it’s a difficult job (considering the pay), the machine is already in place, and the money would continue to roll in without needing to pay Goodell ~$30m a year.

Well he's probably paid similar to what his counterparts in the MLB,NBA and NHL are paid so I'd assume it's market value for a commissioner of one of the big four US sports.

And being honest he's not really made a mess of the league as a whole since he took over.

I mean the high profile suspensions is the fault of the gob****es who apparently can't behave like adults in public places.

Billy86

Also while he has surely played a role, I think Goodell gets a lot of undue praise for the international growth of the sports in the last 10-15 years, which I would put down more to the rise of the internet and streaming (legal or otherwise) than anything else.

Itssoeasy

Billy86 wrote: »

Also while he has surely played a role, I think Goodell gets a lot of undue praise for the international growth of the sports in the last 10-15 years, which I would put down more to the rise of the internet and streaming (legal or otherwise) than anything else.

International growth ? It's been London and Mexico City billy. It's expansion into areas that already had a fan base to begin with.

Billy86

Itssoeasy wrote: »

International growth ? It's been London and Mexico City billy. It's expansion into areas that already had a fan base to begin with.

Oh yeah I get that, but the fan base in the UK and Ireland at least seems to have risen a lot since I started watching in 2002, personally I think that has more to do with things not named Goodell yet he gets given a lot of credit for it.

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Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean the high profile suspensions is the fault of the gob****es who apparently can't behave like adults in public places.

I agree. But thinking knocking out your wife is worth 2 games, that’s on Goodell.

Itssoeasy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean the high profile suspensions is the fault of the gob****es who apparently can't behave like adults in public places.

I agree. But thinking knocking out your wife is worth 2 games, that’s on Goodell.

Well Ray rice isn't in the NFL as I speak so he got more than two games in the court of public opinion. That video was shocking to see and ray rice was a prick with what he did.