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Netanyahu Calls On World To Halt Iran's March Of Conquest And Terror

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    #272
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    I'd say to Gaza or Hell, but gaza seems like hell. They probably brought it on themselves?


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    #273
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    cerastes wrote: »
    I didn't say genocide, but if you look up the definition and what the ECHR says and what other definitions say, it appears that there is a genocide taking place.

    There is no genocide, it's just a word used to stir up an emotional response in people. There's plenty of things that are wrong about the west bank situation but getting dramatic about it helps nobody in the long run.


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    #274
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    There is no genocide, it's just a word used to stir up an emotional response in people. There's plenty of things that are wrong about the west bank situation but getting dramatic about it helps nobody in the long run.

    Did you even read my reply to you?
    You haven't said what you think a genocide is? Why don't youmlok up the definition and tell us the difference between what you find and what your opinion of it is, people don't have to be lined up to be executed for it to exist, I didn't even consider it was before it was brought up in this thread, but looking up the definition, it appears to be the case.


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    #275
    Icepick
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Being silly and disengenous there I'm afraid.
    Yet instead of providing any evidence to support your claims or disprove mine, a misspelled ad hominem is the best you can do.


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    #276
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Icepick can you not see what Israel is doing is wrong? They are building illegal settlements on an other peoples land. Do you think I would get away with building a house in your back garden?
    The illegal settlements are wrong and should be dismantled. But demonizing Jews is not going to help find a peaceful solution to this conflict.


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    #277
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Icepick wrote: »
    The illegal settlements are wrong and should be dismantled. But demonizing Jews is not going to help find a peaceful solution to this conflict.

    Nobody is demonizing Jews. I think its more like Zionism that is getting demonized and rightly so.


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    #278
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Icepick wrote: »
    Yet instead of providing any evidence to support your claims or disprove mine, a misspelled ad hominem is the best you can do.


    You made claims so spurious they aren't worthy of serious consideration. I've provided evidence earlier which you ignored.


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    #279
    Nodin
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    Icepick wrote: »
    The illegal settlements are wrong and should be dismantled. But demonizing Jews is not going to help find a peaceful solution to this conflict.


    Be as good as to show where somebody has been "demonizing Jews" please.


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    #280
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    Icepick wrote: »
    The illegal settlements are wrong and should be dismantled. But demonizing Jews is not going to help find a peaceful solution to this conflict.

    What! Ahh the theology card? Right I see, Scraping the barrel more like.the last resort or is it the first of the Zionist? You do realise many Jews disagree with what Israel does, right?


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    #281
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,792 ✭✭✭SeanW


    cerastes wrote: »
    What! Ahh the theology card? Right I see, Scraping the barrel more like.the last resort or is it the first of the Zionist? You do realise many Jews disagree with what Israel does, right?
    Nearly (if not more than) half of the worlds Jews live in Israel, and it's likely more will be joining them the way the West is going.

    There is a case for Israel, it just so happens that Mr. Netanyahu is not doing a good job of making it.


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    #282
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    He's consistent, at least.

    "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed this afternoon that if reelected he will build thousands of settler homes in Arab east Jerusalem to prevent future concessions to the Palestinians.
    Speaking ahead of tomorrow’s general election, Mr Netanyahu vowed he would never allow the Palestinians to establish a capital in the city's eastern sector.
    "I won't let that happen. My friends and I in Likud will preserve the unity of Jerusalem," he said of his ruling right-wing party, vowing to prevent any future division of the city by building thousands of new settler homes."
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0316/687510-israel/

    On the bright side the election is tomorrow so its unlikely he'll have provoked another intifada in the time remaining.


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    #283
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Nobody is demonizing Jews.
    This would be a believable claim if the anti-Israeli activists:
    - weren't so often exclusively obsessed with Israel's actions, ignoring other conflicts and people's suffering .. well except for anti US and overall anti West sentiments
    - weren't so often one-sided when analysing the conflict. Any mention of Hamas' actions and intentions as well as those of their allies are trivialized or completely ignored
    - didn't put Israel to a much higher standard than any other country


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    #284
    Nodin
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    Icepick wrote: »
    This would be a believable claim if the anti-Israeli activists:
    - weren't so often exclusively obsessed with Israel's actions, ignoring other conflicts and people's suffering .. well except for anti US and overall anti West sentiments
    - weren't so often one-sided when analysing the conflict. Any mention of Hamas' actions and intentions as well as those of their allies are trivialized or completely ignored
    - didn't put Israel to a much higher standard than any other country


    You'll find that - by and large - the 'other countries' are under sanctions of some sort.

    Earlier you alleged people were "demonizing Jews". Who did this, and could you quote and link to the post please?


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    #285
    Karl Stein
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    Icepick wrote: »
    This would be a believable claim if the anti-Israeli activists:
    - weren't so often exclusively obsessed with Israel's actions, ignoring other conflicts and people's suffering .. well except for anti US and overall anti West sentiments

    Western governments refuse to condemn Israeli brutality and we live in the west - that implicates us in a way. Thankfully Ireland is comparatively critical of the Israelis.

    Irish people were once subject to colonial occupation followed by independence so we're largely sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians now just as we were with the Israelis when they were being bullied.

    Unlike in other conflicts there are people who'll vehemently defend Israel regardless of its brutality and dis-proportionality - they need to be challenged. With other conflicts you simply don't have people defending brutality in anywhere near as many numbers.

    The Israelis sell themselves as a western style democracy so it behoves us as western democracies to call it out when it acts like a murderous regime.

    We're watching the dispossession and strangulation of a people in slow motion - it's impossible to ignore and there is no other conflict like it that I'm aware of.

    Israel is Washington's attack dog in the Middle East so anyone with a passing interest in world affairs will have an interest in this conflict.

    According to analysts we're facing a future where there'll be a widening gap between the 'have mores' and the 'have nots'. When the 'have mores' seek to ensure their privileges and ever increasing slice of the pie they'll look to Israel's 'security' industry and see a working example of how it's done. Israel/Palestine - coming to a theatre near you (if we're not careful).


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    #286
    BlaasForRafa
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    SeanW wrote: »
    There is a case for Israel, it just so happens that Mr. Netanyahu is not doing a good job of making it.

    With any luck he won't be prime minister for much longer. He's being widely mocked for his paternalistic and unfunny election ads that conveniently don't mention anything about the economy, health, education etc atm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtNn9oPiys


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    #287
    Icepick
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You'll find that - by and large - the 'other countries' are under sanctions of some sort.
    Even going by your obsession with sanctions, where was the anti Israeli crowd before Russia was sanctioned? Where is it now calling for more sanctions as Russia continues to occupy Ukraine?
    Nodin wrote: »
    Earlier you alleged people were "demonizing Jews". Who did this, and could you quote and link to the post please?
    I already described the general attitude that speaks for itself.
    As for specific posts, you were quite active in this thread too.


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    #288
    Just a little Samba
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    So Bibi finally admits he has no intention of ever allowing the creation of a Palestanian State in an Interview on the eve of the election as he desperately tries to win more votes from the hard right.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-campaign-settlement.html


    Just telling the rest of us what we knew all along.


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    #289
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Icepick wrote: »
    Even going by your obsession with sanctions, where was the anti Israeli crowd before Russia was sanctioned? .

    Russia was put under sanction so quick there was no need.

    Icepick wrote: »
    I already described the general attitude that speaks for itself.
    As for specific posts, you were quite active in this thread too.

    I was. What's your point?


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    #290
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Just a little Samba wrote: »
    So Bibi finally admits he has no intention of ever allowing the creation of a Palestanian State in an Interview on the eve of the election as he desperately tries to win more votes from the hard right.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-campaign-settlement.html


    Just telling the rest of us what we knew all along.


    More honest than Livni et al, I'll give him that.


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    #291
    Just a little Samba
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    Nodin wrote: »
    More honest than Livni et al, I'll give him that.

    Livni has finally agreed to not rotate the primeminister position, so her input would be greatly reduced in that regard.

    Still won't matter a jot as I can't see ZU gatering enough of the smaller parties under their banner to oust Likud.


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    #292
    For Reals
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    Icepick wrote: »
    Even going by your obsession with sanctions, where was the anti Israeli crowd before Russia was sanctioned? Where is it now calling for more sanctions as Russia continues to occupy Ukraine?
    I think you'll find many countries have sanctions against Russia and talks are ongoing. It's interesting you compare Russia to Israel, both invading the land of others.
    Icepick wrote: »
    I already described the general attitude that speaks for itself.
    As for specific posts, you were quite active in this thread too.

    I know Jews who hate, 'hate' the Israeli regime. Explain that one. Aren't there a great number of Israeli's also against the treatment of the Palestinians? I guess all these Jewish people hate Jews right?
    Don't insult all Jewish people by automatically associating them with the ongoing crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Israeli state.


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    #293
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    "Israel’s prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu has unequivocally ruled out the establishment of a Palestinian state as he vowed to strengthen construction of settlements in occupied east Jerusalem should he be re-elected on Tuesday.

    Netanyahu’s comments reinforced his hardening message of recent days and confirmed his final abandonment of his at best tepid commitment to a two-state solution designed to see the creation of an independent Palestinian state."
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/16/israel-election-netanyahu-losing-opinion-polls-as-voting-begins

    I may have to review my comments in post 290 at this rate. He really is a destructive vile piece of work.


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    #294
    Halpenny
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭Halpenny


    Benjamin Netanyahu today:
    "The right-wing government is in danger. Arab voters are coming out in droves to the polls. Left-wing organizations are busing them out."

    Strange coming from a guy who claims to want democracy to reign over terror. Isn't the idea of voting in an election to get people to vote :confused: ?? He says it like he doesn't believe "arab voters" should be let vote ...


    Taken from RTE news http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0317/687626-israel/


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    #295
    pajor
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    Halpenny wrote: »
    Strange coming from a guy who claims to want democracy to reign over terror. Isn't the idea of voting in an election to get people to vote :confused: ?? He says it like he doesn't believe "arab voters" should be let vote ...

    Nah, not if there isn't a hope that they'll vote for him. :pac:


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    #296
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Just a little Samba wrote: »
    So Bibi finally admits he has no intention of ever allowing the creation of a Palestanian State in an Interview on the eve of the election as he desperately tries to win more votes from the hard right.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/world/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-campaign-settlement.html


    Just telling the rest of us what we knew all along.
    Hopefully he won't win then.


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    #297
    Icepick
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    For Reals wrote: »
    I know Jews who hate, 'hate' the Israeli regime. Explain that one. Aren't there a great number of Israeli's also against the treatment of the Palestinians? I guess all these Jewish people hate Jews right?
    Don't insult all Jewish people by automatically associating them with the ongoing crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Israeli state.
    So you suddenly speak of the Israeli regime to shift the goalposts.


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    #298
    Icepick
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Russia was put under sanction so quick there was no need.
    Still occupying another country. More sanctions needed. Yet the anti-Israeli lobby doesn't care.
    Also sanctions amount to collective punishment. Hypocrite much?
    Nodin wrote: »
    I was. What's your point?
    So you didn't notice posts such as this one?


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    #299
    Brian Shanahan
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    Halpenny wrote: »
    Strange coming from a guy who claims to want democracy to reign over terror. Isn't the idea of voting in an election to get people to vote :confused: ?? He says it like he doesn't believe "arab voters" should be let vote ...

    If there's one thing Likud have learned from the holocaust, it's that there's no point giving the untermenschen a vote.


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    #300
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Icepick wrote: »
    Still occupying another country. More sanctions needed. Yet the anti-Israeli lobby doesn't care.
    Also sanctions amount to collective punishment. Hypocrite much?

    You seem to be tying yourself in confused knots over that one. Have you anything to say regards Netanyahus pronouncements over the last day or so?
    Icepick wrote: »
    So you didn't notice posts such as this one?

    You've no idea what I did or did not notice. I would suggest you haven't noticed this though
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90486522&postcount=18

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90550011&postcount=101

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84927599&postcount=11


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    #301
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Nodin wrote: »
    You seem to be tying yourself in confused knots over that one.
    Sorry, I don't like hypocrisy and double standards.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Have you anything to say regards Netanyahus pronouncements over the last day or so?
    maybe look at the previous page


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