Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Ireland vs England, Sunday 1st March 3pm; RTE/BBC

Options
1…4041434546…51

Comments

  • Options
    #1262
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He doesn't need to pass. He usually takes contact and recycles the ball in a safe place.

    Usually soaks up a minimum of two defenders whilst he is at it. It's the way he is used, he is actually not the easiest player to ground, stays on his feet in the tackle and is very physical so it's a good way for us to restart and gives us a platform to work off.


  • Options
    #1263
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Speaking of Kearney, probably had the best defensive display of his career yesterday, rewatching the game and I couldn't believe some of the tackles he put in, at times I thought it was henshaw or Payne. He also was very effective at rucking past the ball, especially in the build up to the henshaw try.


  • Options
    #1264
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    .ak wrote: »
    And this isn't true.

    Watch the 2013 final against ulster, for example. In attacking positions he's a great distributor. People just seem to get frustrated for not throwing the ball away...

    If anyone should be cirticized for not passing yesterday it's Payne. He had an opportunity to fix a man and give Zebo the ball on a one on one. Instead he arced and kept the ball. I thought as a 13 that was pretty mediocre play.

    13 shoulds be agile
    12 should be yard gainers

    -imo


  • Options
    #1265
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Because a 12 is often first receiver off the 10 or asked to offer a first contact situation off first phase then yeah, I believe a 12 should be a gain line breaker. However we've seen that doesn't have to be the case. Thing with henshaw is he has great feet and balance so he actually has the best of both worlds.

    But for me Payne isn't that agile 13, nor is he supposed to be. Joe is looking at this pairing as a powerhouse unit. Excellent in defence and big units as chasers, with plenty of fullback experience between them. However you still need a 13 who can read the defence and how to distribute, which Payne does not. At least not yet.


  • Options
    #1266
    elefant
    Registered Users Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭elefant


    England
    Is there anywhere online I could watch the match back? I missed most of the second half :(


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1267
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    .ak wrote: »
    Because a 12 is often first receiver off the 10 or asked to offer a first contact situation off first phase then yeah, I believe a 12 should be a gain line breaker. However we've seen that doesn't have to be the case. Thing with henshaw is he has great feet and balance so he actually has the best of both worlds.

    But for me Payne isn't that agile 13, nor is he supposed to be. Joe is looking at this pairing as a powerhouse unit. Excellent in defence and big units as chasers, with plenty of fullback experience between them. However you still need a 13 who can read the defence and how to distribute, which Payne does not. At least not yet.

    Where do people get this from? Henshaw played most of his rugby in centre for Connacht.


  • Options
    #1268
    S12b
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭S12b


    elefant wrote: »
    Is there anywhere online I could watch the match back? I missed most of the second half :(

    If you're in Ireland, RTE player


  • Options
    #1269
    elefant
    Registered Users Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭elefant


    England
    S12b wrote: »
    If you're in Ireland, RTE player

    Ah deadly. Couldn't find it earlier when I checked. Thanks!


  • Options
    #1270
    total former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭total former


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Where do people get this from? Henshaw played most of his rugby in centre for Connacht.

    Get what? All he said is that they have plenty of full back experience which is certainly true of Henshaw.


  • Options
    #1271
    evil_seed
    Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Where do people get this from? Henshaw played most of his rugby in centre for Connacht.

    Henshaw started his pro career at full back. and played there for pretty much a season and a half, if not 2 seasons. He only moved to 13 this season.

    But don't let correct information get in your way


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1272
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    iroced wrote: »
    In a game where they've been globally dominated, to finish just 10 pts behind (and could have been closer had they been a little more patient towards the end) is noteworthy. England finished very strong :eek:.

    One of the problems with a gameplan based around kicking and pressure is that while it is extremely effective if you have world class halves, it does have a tendancy to only advance the scoreboard in multiples of 3 (I think Ireland have 2 tries in 3 games) - you can quite easily completely dominate a match for 70 minutes, and not have that massive a lead. Ireland had something like 55-60% territory and possession but lead with just 10 points going into the last 10 minutes. If 36 hadn't done his obstruction-thing, it could have been very close. If you give NZ or Australia 60% territory and possession it will be 29-9 or even 39-9 heading into the last 10 minutes, not 19-9. If this game had been against NZ, I would still have had some confidence of getting the victory with Ireland tiring and only 10 points in it. Look at the Wales game last season, NZ put on 2 or 3 tries in the last few minutes. Provided Murray & Sexton stay fit, Ireland can win a RWC with this gameplan, it's been done before, but it can unravel quickly if a bigger lead is not established heading into the last quarter. IMO anyway.


  • Options
    #1273
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    .ak wrote: »
    Only blatantly obvious because you don't like it when he doesn't. He's actually a keen distributor, but that doesn't mean he should do it when he's countering.

    I disagree. Nearly every time he runs directly into the first opposition tacker. Rarely gains good ground. Doesn't look to pass. Rarely makes good ground.


  • Options
    #1274
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    England
    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Where do people get this from? Henshaw played most of his rugby in centre for Connacht.

    You clearly don't know much about Henshaw - started his career at fullback and played most of his first season there, only switched to centre during his second season. People who have actually watched him since he burst onto the scene will tell you he is an excellent full back.


  • Options
    #1275
    TommyOM
    Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭TommyOM


    Anyone know what position he played at for Leinster schools??


  • Options
    #1276
    its_phil
    Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    TommyOM wrote: »
    Anyone know what position he played at for Leinster schools??

    Are you talking about Henshaw? He's a product of Connacht school Marist College.


  • Options
    #1277
    its_phil
    Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Where do people get this from? Henshaw played most of his rugby in centre for Connacht.

    Where do you get this from? Most of his rugby in the previous two seasons has been at 15, with McSharry 12 and Griffin 13. This is his first year full time at 13.


  • Options
    #1278
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    LorMal wrote: »
    I disagree. Nearly every time he runs directly into the first opposition tacker. Rarely gains good ground. Doesn't look to pass. Rarely makes good ground.

    Stats would prove you wrong on ground gained.

    And what are you disagreeing with? He has a very good assist rate. Most people base their opinions on what he does after he fields a bell, rather than what he does when attacking off a set piece.


  • Options
    #1279
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    .ak wrote: »
    Stats would prove you wrong on ground gained.

    And what are you disagreeing with? He has a very good assist rate. Most people base their opinions on what he does after he fields a bell, rather than what he does when attacking off a set piece.

    Yes, I think he is a good player. What I am referring to is when he has caught a long punt and is countering - much like the previous poster. I think he tends to be very predictable - generally runs into the first tackler. Doesn't off load, doesn't look for a pass - very occasionally kick chases. Maybe that is under instruction?


  • Options
    #1280
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    Someone licking their lips at what the next AB coach will achieve for them?

    Happy enough with Hansen at the moment TBH. His record is every bit as good as Schmidt's. But we can discuss again in November...


  • Options
    #1281
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    LorMal wrote: »
    Yes, I think he is a good player. What I am referring to is when he has caught a long punt and is countering - much like the previous poster. I think he tends to be very predictable - generally runs into the first tackler. Doesn't off load, doesn't look for a pass - very occasionally kick chases. Maybe that is under instruction?

    Why would you offload is my point? It puts the support under pressure. Only time he should be passing in that scenario is if sexton is outside him and had a better angle to clear.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1282
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    its_phil wrote: »
    Where do you get this from? Most of his rugby in the previous two seasons has been at 15, with McSharry 12 and Griffin 13. This is his first year full time at 13.

    Was sure he was centre most of the time. I stand corrected!


  • Options
    #1283
    Tox56
    Registered Users Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    Swiwi. wrote: »
    Not now Pudsy. I mean long term. Not hard to see Sexton and maybe Byrne become Leinsters options at 10 for example. His main asset is versatility which gives him his Irish bench spot.

    With genuine versatility and world class goal kicking he is an outstanding squad player for any team and Leinster have needed him massively this season. I've said it with regards to J Murphy a few times, but not every player needs to become top class or have that potential, it's not realistic or possible. Leinster will fight tooth and nail to keep him in the face of what I'd expect to be fairly serious offers from Francd


  • Options
    #1284
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    .ak wrote: »
    Why would you offload is my point? It puts the support under pressure. Only time he should be passing in that scenario is if sexton is outside him and had a better angle to clear.

    Maybe I just don't know what I am talking about (very high possibility), but don't other full backs eg Hogg, Halfpenny, ometimes beat a couple of tacklers and then pass/off load in order to start a counterattack?
    RK always seems to get smothered up by the first tackler.


  • Options
    #1285
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    LorMal wrote: »
    Maybe I just don't know what I am talking about (very high possibility), but don't other full backs eg Hogg, Halfpenny, ometimes beat a couple of tacklers and then pass/off load in order to start a counterattack?
    RK always seems to get smothered up by the first tackler.

    When you think about it, I'd have RK 4th choice in the 6 nations.

    Hogg/Halfpenny/Brown all would be ahead of him for me. He's reliable and steady.


  • Options
    #1286
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    When you think about it, I'd have RK 4th choice in the 6 nations.

    Hogg/Halfpenny/Brown all would be ahead of him for me. He's reliable and steady.

    In fairness, that is a very talented group. I would tend to agree though.


  • Options
    #1287
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    LorMal wrote: »
    In fairness, that is a very talented group. I would tend to agree though.

    Yeah there's a lot of quality in those positions these days!


  • Options
    #1288
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,021 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    England
    Brown of last year maybe, but this season he's been quite average.

    Hogg is exciting with ball in hand but can be positionally very naive.


  • Options
    #1289
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    When you think about it, I'd have RK 4th choice in the 6 nations.

    Hogg/Halfpenny/Brown all would be ahead of him for me. He's reliable and steady.

    When you really think about though, you'd have him first choice.

    None of those 3 can recover attacking kicks as well as Kearney. Or run fielded balls as neatly back to the safety of their teammates to win a ruck.

    The dream back line would be 3 Robs, and 2 Tommys. And one of each on the bench.


  • Options
    #1290
    TommyOM
    Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭TommyOM


    its_phil wrote: »
    Are you talking about Henshaw? He's a product of Connacht school Marist College.

    I saw his school was in Athlone and thought he played in the Leinster schools.

    The question still stands though if anyone can answer?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #1291
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,988 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    England
    Just watching the game again - we are a bloody good team, people.


Advertisement