DC cinematic universe general stuff

Bacchus

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Ye forgot about a few of those. Maybe he does trump Spider-man in that department, but just about

Going by the number of recognizable villains, it is close alright. However, in terms of quality, Batman probably has the best catalog of villains of any hero.

Most of Spidermans villains are simply some science experiment gone wrong resulting in either
a) the person going mad
b) a good person forced into a situation where they do bad things

With Batman, you could reduce it down to a bunch of crazy psychos but I think there is much more diversity in the motives, origins, character traits & personalities across the Batman villains.

I suppose to get back on point, Marvel have nailed their heroes in a way that DC have struggled to do but if they can churn out some memorable villains (in the way they did with the Joker, Bane & Two-Face in Nolan's movies) they could find their edge there.

FunLover18

Bacchus wrote: »

Going by the number of recognizable villains, it is close alright. However, in terms of quality, Batman probably has the best catalog of villains of any hero.

Most of Spidermans villains are simply some science experiment gone wrong resulting in either
a) the person going mad
b) a good person forced into a situation where they do bad things

With Batman, you could reduce it down to a bunch of crazy psychos but I think there is much more diversity in the motives, origins, character traits & personalities across the Batman villains.

I suppose to get back on point, Marvel have nailed their heroes in a way that DC have struggled to do but if they can churn out some memorable villains (in the way they did with the Joker, Bane & Two-Face in Nolan's movies) they could find their edge there.

Zod was fairly forgettable in MoS and do we even know who the actual villain in BVS is yet, I mean I know Lex Luthor is going to feature but will he be an out and out villain or will he just be an Iago type figure pulling strings in the background and looking menacing?

Also as mentioned all their best villains are either from Batman or Superman so the villain card won't be much use when it comes to marketing Aquaman and Wonder Woman.

Bacchus

FunLover18 wrote: »

Zod was fairly forgettable in MoS and do we even know who the actual villain in BVS is yet, I mean I know Lex Luthor is going to feature but will he be an out and out villain or will he just be an Iago type figure pulling strings in the background and looking menacing?

Also as mentioned all their best villains are either from Batman or Superman so the villain card won't be much use when it comes to marketing Aquaman and Wonder Woman.

I thought Zod and his two cronies were pretty good in MoS. One of the better aspects of that movie but nothing stellar.

Like I said, it's up to DC to get the execution right but the characters are there for them to make some fantastic cinema villains.

I'll be really interested to see how they handle Luthor. You have to think that getting that character 100% right is a must for the future of the movie universe (at least as far as Superman is concerned).

The Golden Miller

Bacchus wrote: »

Going by the number of recognizable villains, it is close alright. However, in terms of quality, Batman probably has the best catalog of villains of any hero.

Most of Spidermans villains are simply some science experiment gone wrong resulting in either
a) the person going mad
b) a good person forced into a situation where they do bad things

With Batman, you could reduce it down to a bunch of crazy psychos but I think there is much more diversity in the motives, origins, character traits & personalities across the Batman villains.

I suppose to get back on point, Marvel have nailed their heroes in a way that DC have struggled to do but if they can churn out some memorable villains (in the way they did with the Joker, Bane & Two-Face in Nolan's movies) they could find their edge there.

Ye there's a bit more depth and character development with Batman villains alright. Spidey's tend to be quite generic. I was always quite fond of Venom though. Thought the concept of symbiotes was always quite cool and interesting, until they diluted it. Amazing that in the mid 90's, Venom nearly rivalled Spider-man in terms of popularity, so they had to stop using him as he was beginning to suffer from over-exposure.

Back to your point, I suppose that's the idea with the Suicide Squad concept. Is Joker actually gonna be in it though? It will be interesting to see how that one pans out, and if it's successful will they expand on it. In Avengers, they seem to just fight an army of useless pawns led by one person, so it would be cool if DC actually faced two teams off against one another, those being the Justice League v the Suicide Squad

Bacchus

Venom defo is one of the better Spiderman villains. I quite like Doc Oc too but after that they descend into a blur of same-same villains.

Mickeroo

I like the idea of venom more as an anti hero than straight up villain.

Turtyturd

Mickeroo wrote: »

I like the idea of venom more as an anti hero than straight up villain.

Definitely, the 3 way face offs between him Carnage, and Spider-man are some of his best stories. Some serious dismissing of Spider-man's villains going on in here.

Mickeroo

Turtyturd wrote: »

Definitely, the 3 way face offs between him Carnage, and Spider-man are some of his best stories. Some serious dismissing of Spider-man's villains going on in here.

Yeah, I always enjoyed himself and spidey having to grudgingly work together to take down Carnage. I remember reading some of Venom's series, think it was called Lethal Protector and himself and Punisher working together too. Would be a shame if they just make him an out and out villain if they decide to put him in a movie again.

Turtyturd

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah, I always enjoyed himself and spidey having to grudgingly work together to take down Carnage. I remember reading some of Venom's series, think it was called Lethal Protector and himself and Punisher working together too. Would be a shame if they just make him an out and out villain if they decide to put him in a movie again.

They need to get it back on Brock though...the current version doesn't work for me.

TonyD79

Can talk of Marvel not be banned in this thread?

It's the main competitor and the current bench-mark that DC needs to reach. Why would you not discuss?

pixelburp

Honestly, I don't even think there should be separate threads for Marvel & DC: seems a bit pointless?

In any case, here's a laugh: I don't totally subscribe to the notion that DC mightn't have the best or most switched-on policy towards their film & TV projects, but interviews like the below do persuade me a little:

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/warner-bros-chief-dismisses-superhero-fatigue-everything-looks-different-1201446314/

"The worlds of DC are very different," he said. "They're steeped in realism, and they're a little bit edgier than Marvel's movies."

Bizarre stuff, and does make one think DC truly are mistaking their joyless tone & desaturated palette for 'realism'. You'd also think with the massive success of hitherto unknown quantities like Guadians of the Galaxy, the CEO wouldn't come out with remarks like :

"The big franchises are becoming more and more valuable," said Tsujihara. "You don’t have to explain to the consumer what a 'Batman v Superman' is."

Seems like a belligerent policy on their part to do all they can to separate themselves from Marvel's approach, despite how successful it has been. Explains a lot though about why stuff like Arrow is a humourless slog.

Turtyturd

I find it funny that DC are so attached to the realism tag. Frank Miller and Nolan nailed it with Batman in the comics and films but that's as far as it goes. Batman fighting gangsters, an anarchist or a mercenary have one foot in reality but how do they maintain that when he is teaming with a god, a she god, a guy with an alien ring, and the fish whisperer? Even when you look at the source material there is little realism beyond certain Batman storylines, the multiverse? The green lanterns weaknesses being yellow, and wood? etc, etc.

Painting themselves into a corner TBH. It's comic book stuff like, not War and Peace.
It can be fantastical

Jon Stark

Turtyturd wrote: »

I find it funny that DC are so attached to the realism tag. Frank Miller and Nolan nailed it with Batman in the comics and films but that's as far as it goes. Batman fighting gangsters, an anarchist or a mercenary have one foot in reality but how do they maintain that when he is teaming with a god, a she god, a guy with an alien ring, and the fish whisperer? Even when you look at the source material there is little realism beyond certain Batman storylines, the multiverse? The green lanterns weaknesses being yellow, and wood? etc, etc.

Well that's the challenge they've set themselves, whether they can make it work is another question. WB need to be careful as they seemingly want it both ways; they were happy to let go of the Nolan films to allow a more fantastical element, yet they also want to maintain that edge of realism.

It's a very hard combination to master so they shouldn't have backed themselves into this corner.

I honestly don't think these suits at WB are articulating what they mean very well. I think what they're going for is a more character driven universe while decamping so to speak certain mythologies to make them more alien in nature than fantastical (like what they did with Krypton in MOS which, funnily enough, was one of the more interesting aspects of the film for me).

Penn

"The worlds of DC are very different," he said. "They're steeped in realism, and they're a little bit edgier than Marvel's movies."

That's my biggest fear about DC's films tbh. Going for realism and being edgy.

Guardians of the Galaxy had a talking raccoon and a tree and it was one of the most enjoyable superhero movies to date.

Like Turdyturd said, you can't have that much realism when some of your main characters are Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Aquaman. Marvel accepts the lack of realism in their characters and pretty much just ignores it, instead focusing on making the films fun and enjoyable.

Tefral

If they could bring half of what they put into the animated movies to live action film they will do well. My big fear is that the DC stuff on the whole is a whole lot more edgy if there is such a word. Their villians are brilliant when you compare that to Marvel, but I cant see the movie going public putting up with films are taxing emotionally, when you compare the movies to the upbeat Marvel offerings.

Lithium93_

Joel Kinnaman officially confirms his role in Suicide Squad

http://comicbook.com/2015/03/09/joel-kinnaman-confirms-hes-rick-flag-in-david-ayers-suicide-squa/

FunLover18

Lithium93_ wrote:

Joel Kinnaman officially confirms his role in Suicide Squad

Isn't Flag the leader? Bit of a gamble on DC's part, personally I think he's a good actor but that's judged purely on a couple of the episodes of The Killing I've seen.

Nervous Wreck

cronin_j wrote: »

If they could bring half of what they put into the animated movies to live action film they will do well. My big fear is that the DC stuff on the whole is a whole lot more edgy if there is such a word. Their villians are brilliant when you compare that to Marvel, but I cant see the movie going public putting up with films are taxing emotionally, when you compare the movies to the upbeat Marvel offerings.

I think this is now a thing of the past. The DC animated universe now seems to be trending towards taking its cues directly from stories adapted from Geoff Johns's work which, for my money, is mostly a pile of shite. As such, the latest two films "Justice League: War" and "Justice League: Throne of Atlantis," have been fcuking awful...

Mitch Connor

FunLover18 wrote: »

Isn't Flag the leader? Bit of a gamble on DC's part, personally I think he's a good actor but that's judged purely on a couple of the episodes of The Killing I've seen.

In the animated movie which it sounds like they could be cribbing from, deadshot was far more the leader of the squad.

Assault on Arkham is the movie in taking about, set in the computer game universe. The cast, and talk of joker in prison/Arkham is familiar to that.

Turtyturd

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I think this is now a thing of the past. The DC animated universe now seems to be trending towards taking its cues directly from stories adapted from Geoff Johns's work which, for my money, is mostly a pile of shite. As such, the latest two films "Justice League: War" and "Justice League: Throne of Atlantis," have been fcuking awful...

Johns seems to be the DC equivalent of Bendis, did a good job on one character (GL) and got handed the keys to the kingdom and it's all been underwhelming.

I do think DC have or at least had the edge with the animated stuff though. Marvel did well with Planet Hulk and first Ultimates dvd but seemed to give up after that. There is so much potential there.

Mitch Connor

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I think this is now a thing of the past. The DC animated universe now seems to be trending towards taking its cues directly from stories adapted from Geoff Johns's work which, for my money, is mostly a pile of shite. As such, the latest two films "Justice League: War" and "Justice League: Throne of Atlantis," have been fcuking awful...

wasn't a fan of Throne of Atlantis - but I really enjoyed 'War', thought it was one of the better ones.

Tefral

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

"Justice League: Throne of Atlantis," have been fcuking awful...

Ya ill give you that one alright.. was pretty shocking.

Tazzimus

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I think this is now a thing of the past. The DC animated universe now seems to be trending towards taking its cues directly from stories adapted from Geoff Johns's work which, for my money, is mostly a pile of shite. As such, the latest two films "Justice League: War" and "Justice League: Throne of Atlantis," have been fcuking awful...

Last good one I watched was the flashpoint paradox. The latest two have been pretty crap so far.

Nervous Wreck

Turtyturd wrote: »

Johns seems to be the DC equivalent of Bendis, did a good job on one character (GL) and got handed the keys to the kingdom and it's all been underwhelming.

I do think DC have or at least had the edge with the animated stuff though. Marvel did well with Planet Hulk and first Ultimates dvd but seemed to give up after that. There is so much potential there.

They defo still have the edge but I can see a sharp decline alright...

Mitch Connor wrote: »

wasn't a fan of Throne of Atlantis - but I really enjoyed 'War', thought it was one of the better ones.

War wasn't the worst but doesn't hold up against Doom, for example.

Tazzimus wrote: »

Last good one I watched was the flashpoint paradox. The latest two have been pretty crap so far.

I also enjoyed this, and the comics it was based on which, contrary to my point, was actually written by Johns!! Exception that proves the rule?!

spacecoyote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W14H6psZCMM

Also saw this supergirl article today (some former glee girl supposedly)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/first-photos-of-melissa-benoist-in-full-supergirl-costume-revealed

Not a patch on the original, who I had a major thing for at the time

Agent Coulson

Rumor: Chris Pine Wanted for ‘Green Lantern’

http://www.slashfilm.com/green-lantern-chris-pine-rumor/

JP Liz V1

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Rumor: Chris Pine Wanted for ‘Green Lantern’

http://www.slashfilm.com/green-lantern-chris-pine-rumor/

I could see Pine as Hal

Agent Coulson

Fan made.

TheDoc

DC are running a massive meta thing this summer called "Convergence" for those into the comics etc.

I've finally being able to get into reading comics, thanks to the recent 52 reboot. That is all going on hold for two months for this series.

I've got through a fair amount of the new 52, and some other alternate stories about the Justice league, and have to say, the stories and possibilities are FAR superior then to that of Marvel, and I'm utterly shocked a Justice League movie concept hasn't come to the front quicker then it has.

Mitch Connor

Watched Batman vs RObin the other day - brilliant. Great storyline, brilliantly told imo. Up there with Flashpoint Paradox as my favourite DC Animated movie.

FunLover18

Mitch Connor wrote:

Watched Batman vs RObin the other day - brilliant. Great storyline, brilliantly told imo. Up there with Flashpoint Paradox as my favourite DC Animated movie.

For a minute I thought you were talking about Barman AND Robin

Brief_Lives

FunLover18 wrote: »

For a minute I thought you were talking about Barman AND Robin

Pull up a stool.... Did I ever tell about that time.......

Turtyturd

Only caught Batman vs Robin myself by chance and really enjoyed it. Found it strange that they didn't promote it as the Court of Owls, but I am guessing they are going for a Batman/Robin trilogy with the 3rd one being based around the

Death of Robin

storyline. Only complaint with it would be that they have either abandoned or messed up capturing the style of the artist who drew the comic.

Nervous Wreck

Turtyturd wrote: »

Only caught Batman vs Robin myself by chance and really enjoyed it. Found it strange that they didn't promote it as the Court of Owls, but I am guessing they are going for a Batman/Robin trilogy with the 3rd one being based around the

Death of Robin

storyline. Only complaint with it would be that they have either abandoned or messed up capturing the style of the artist who drew the comic.

I'd say they're trying to keep it similar to the Justice League look.


It was decent but nearly as fun as the older movies and nowhere near the quality of The Court of Owls. I also just don't like *any* of the voice actors in the new slate of DC films except Sean Astin as Shazam and Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern. Everyone else just catches me wrong.

Turtyturd

I thought it may have been because different artists had done the different storylines and they wanted a consistent look for the movies. Will be a shame if they are going for a uniform look. It was one of the highlights for me, and there's so many possibilities that I'd love to see, Jim Lee style Hush, Tim Sale style Long Halloween.

Nervous Wreck

Well they've said that the movies from Justice League: War onwards will all be part of the same canon so I reckon they're keeping it uniform. I agree with you; that's a disappointment. For many reasons: I'm not fan of their take on Batman's look at all. If they'd gone with Greg Capullo's look, I'd be much happier and it'd be in keeping with the New52. I also don't like the New52 Superman costume- the collar, sleeves and lack of underpants.

The best thing I can say for Batman vs Robin is at least they chose to adapt a good story and not go with yet another Geoff Johns turd.

Tazzimus

Must give Batman V Robin a watch. Anyone seen the trailer for the new justice league movie? Looks.. Interesting...

Mitch Connor

Tazzimus wrote: »

Must give Batman V Robin a watch. Anyone seen the trailer for the new justice league movie? Looks.. Interesting...

Just watched it there - looks rubbish from the trailer, imo, but I'll still give it a watch.

Jon Stark

Wonder Woman has lost its director due to "creative differences". Not a good omen.

FunLover18

Jon Stark wrote:

Wonder Woman has lost its director due to "creative differences". Not a good omen.

Especially with the hype there was when they hired a female director.

Lithium93_

Batman vs Superman: Dawn Of Justice trailer to be 2 minutes & 6 seconds in length.

http://comicbook.com/2015/04/15/batman-v-superman-trailer-officially-classified/

A Neurotic

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Batman vs Superman: Dawn Of Justice trailer to be 2 minutes & 6 seconds in length.

http://comicbook.com/2015/04/15/batman-v-superman-trailer-officially-classified/

Is this the level we're at now, in terms of movie news? I need to take a break from the internet.

Lithium93_

Well the thread is titled DC Cinematic Universe GENERAL stuff, and this is the right place to post the link about the length of the Bats/Supes trailer, even though it may seem kinda pointless to you.

Mr Freeze

At least we know the trailer is coming soon...

Jon Stark

Which is essentially the news. Trailer getting a run time = trailer is close. Very much newsworthy.

I'd be surprised if it debuts with AOU though.

Agent Coulson

Jon Stark wrote: »

Which is essentially the news. Trailer getting a run time = trailer is close. Very much newsworthy.

I'd be surprised if it debuts with AOU though.

It's debuts with Mad Max.

Jon Stark

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's debuts with Mad Max.

Rumours surfaced over the last 24 hours that suggest it's attached to AoU.

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-trailer-avengers-ultron/

macslash

Just wondering..The Flash movie that will be out in 2018..will that be the same actor from the tv series at the moment?