Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Comhrá

Locker10a wrote: »

How do you know ? How do you know it wasn't just a malfunction ? Why would a malfunction mean someone defiantly wasn't doing their job, some times malfunctions just happen!

I'm thinking you meant 'definitely' not 'defiantly'? Gives a different slant to your statement.

joeysoap

Marcusm wrote: »

"There’s a button on the de-icing rig that engages the handbrake and sometimes that malfunctions, and when that happened this morning it rolled into the plane,”

If it happened previously on this vehicle then it was probably repaired, if it happened on similar vehicles then it's a bigger problem. How many deicing trucks at Dublin airport and who owns them?

Jack1985

Thank god there is a just culture policy with most companies in aviation.

When someone makes a mistake (if that indeed is the case) why is the automatic nieve response, get rid of the person involved.

Not the logical response, what is the problem, why did it occur, could it occur again, why did it occur with his particular employee.

In EI, as pointed out sacking is never an option persued with an accident like this, it's a ridiculous proposition in the first instance. Most companies accept people make mistakes for example human error, but there's always a path of issues (lack of sleep etc) involved hence my point.

kona

I'd say the handbrake is a excuse.

billy few mates

joeysoap wrote: »

Layman here. Looks like that whole front 'panel' can be removed and replaced at one go. Doesn't look like any 'superficial' damage to the main cover or cowling.

You're not far off, that damage appears to be limited to the inlet cowl which is basically secondary or aerodynamic structure rather than primary structure with airworthiness implications and it does indeed swap out quite easily as it's just held on with a ring of bolts around the circumference which need to be disconnected along with a couple of inlet temp and pressure sensors and an Anti ice duct clamp, and wouldn't take long to replace.
The problem is the pylon that the engine hangs on is designed to take massive forward and aft loads through a series of thrust links and practically nothing of a side load as would have been encountered in an incident like this so there would have to be some NDT inspections on the pylon and engine mount structure to ensure there was no damage done by the impact.
So it will depend on whether the de-ice rig rolled into the engine or ploughed into it the level of damage that might be found.
My guess is there won't be any and the A/C will be back in service tomorrow....

IRLConor

Jack1985 wrote: »

Thank god there is a just culture policy with most companies in aviation.

When someone makes a mistake (if that indeed is the case) why is the automatic nieve response, get rid of the person involved.

Because it's easy to think "he's at fault therefore he should be punished for it". It assumes that people need to be kept afraid of their bosses in order to do their job properly.

Sadly most people don't realise is that if you have a culture of firing/punishing people for mistakes they just work harder to hide their mistakes and blame other people. That leads to bigger and more dangerous mistakes with worse consequences.

joeysoap

Loss of hydraulic fluid given for last nights diversion to Shannon on Faro to Dublin flight. I have often been on this route and sometimes it comes over UK, somewhere times it comes up the east coast and sometimes over Cork. Why so many routes from Faro? Probably lucky that last nights wasn't over UK. ( I have travelled this route with EJ from Belfast too and also had a number of routes (including over Cork). Most appeared to come over Dublin (Dundalk and Newry).

goingnowhere

Depending on circumstances you can go the Atlantic T9 route if there are traffic issues through France

T9 can be busy as its procedural airspace like the North Atlantic, so it not always used

duskyjoe

joeysoap wrote: »

Loss of hydraulic fluid given for last nights diversion to Shannon on Faro to Dublin flight. [\quote]

Why did it divert to SNN?

joeysoap

duskyjoe wrote: »

joeysoap wrote: »

Loss of hydraulic fluid given for last nights diversion to Shannon on Faro to Dublin flight. [\quote]

Why did it divert to SNN?

Coming in over Cork so I suppose Shannon was closer.

Comhrá

joeysoap wrote: »

duskyjoe wrote: »

Coming in over Cork so I suppose Shannon was closer.

As someone posted earlier, Shannon has a longer runway than Dublin in case the brakes were compromised due to hydraulic issue, and needing longer stopping distance and if the aircraft was disabled on the runway due to loss of steering, there would be less traffic disruption than in Dublin which is of course, much busier.

roundymac

Plenty of maintainence companies in SNN unlike Cork which has none.

Locker10a

Anyone know where EI4970 is off to? A/C is EI-DVI
Also are EI doing their Ski charters from LGW this winter as they have done for the previous two?

LXFlyer

Locker10a wrote: »

Anyone know where EI4970 is off to? A/C is EI-DVI
Also are EI doing their Ski charters from LGW this winter as they have done for the previous two?

North Pole per Dublin Airport app!

(Rovaniemi)

Presumably a children's charter.

Jack1985

Locker10a wrote: »

Also are EI doing their Ski charters from LGW this winter as they have done for the previous two?

Yes from LGW to FDH, GNB, GVA and LYS with overnighting DUB crew.

TheFitz13

Does anybody know when EICVA/B/C will eventually be retired?

Jack1985

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Does anybody know when EICVA/B/C will eventually be retired?

They're still fine aircraft ?

goingnowhere

Jack1985 wrote: »

They're still fine aircraft ?

And not the oldest in the fleet, EI-CPE/G/H are still flying around as is EI-LAX

Jamie2k9

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Does anybody know when EICVA/B/C will eventually be retired?

Those are owned, I think?

Suspect they will easily stay for at least 4-6 years unless they start giving a lot of trouble.

Locker10a

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Does anybody know when EICVA/B/C will eventually be retired?

Those are owned, I think?

Suspect they will easily stay for at least 4-6 years unless they start giving a lot of trouble.

Yes I'm sure they could stretch another 5 years out of those frames provided they keep them well, but generally speaking EI would need to start planning short haul replacements, new S/H aircraft would probably take about 7/8 years to arrive at this stage, unless they went for Cseries or something but we can only dream.
Then again being IAG who know what will happen with a/c I've a feeling EI won't have much say..

Marcusm

Locker10a wrote: »

Yes I'm sure they could stretch another 5 years out of those frames provided they keep them well, but generally speaking EI would need to start planning short haul replacements, new S/H aircraft would probably take about 7/8 years to arrive at this stage, unless they went for Cseries or something but we can only dream.
Then again being IAG who know what will happen with a/c I've a feeling EI won't have much say..

BA, IB and VLG all use A320 family for SH, can't see any reason why EI would lead a move elsewhere.

Downsey77

Does anyone know if there are plans to refit the ex-little red aircraft with the standard EI seats?

The brown leather seats in those aircraft have about the worst legroom I've ever experienced, FR included and unfortunately I seem to be flying on them regularly these days.

Locker10a

Downsey77 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are plans to refit the ex-little red aircraft with the standard EI seats?

The brown leather seats in those aircraft have about the worst legroom I've ever experienced, FR included and unfortunately I seem to be flying on them regularly these days.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I love flying on those Aircraft! I find them to be the most comfortable seats and I don't notice any difference in leg room! They are the same configuration as all other aircraft, just different seats

A319er

Hi
Both these leased aircraft will leave fleet 31march when lease expires
Both already re leased to new airlines so no internal refit will be needed

Locker10a

A319er wrote: »

Hi
Both these leased aircraft will leave fleet 31march when lease expires
Both already re leased to new airlines so no internal refit will be needed

Oh, so where will EI get replacements from ? They will surly need the two extra frames for the summer?

A319er

Work in progress with IAG
Some further fleet and route news due in Jan 17 but will be replaced

goingnowhere

Happy to see the back of the Little Red frames

Horrible seats, seat back tables appeared to be design to let stuff fall off.

Crews will be happy with the larger workspace in the galley as well

Tenger

goingnowhere wrote: »

Happy to see the back of the Little Red frames

Horrible seats, seat back tables appeared to be design to let stuff fall off.

Crews will be happy with the larger workspace in the galley as well

I've only been on the Little Red aircraft once. I did think the seats, while comfy, did look very dated.
Didnt notice the galley being different, but then only saw the front one (probably should have, being ex crew) Are they smaller or just a different layout? Is it noticeable to the layperson? It was only a flight to the UK I think so I didnt take the time to look around.

goingnowhere

Very noticeable in the galley, there is no work surface in front of the ovens

The tables are the real problem, they don't sit flat, they are too smooth and there isn't the usual slot for a cup to go

Now if they had kept the mood lighting I might forgive them

A319er

Issue being there are zero spares for any cabin repairs replacements,

E.g. Tables are no longer in stock anywhere in the world result
Spilt hot drinks on our Guests ! Equals claims equals get rid of them asap

Anyway they are gone soon, owners have given them a good once over

Plan and I use the word plan advisedly is to have two replacements plus two extra for S17 based in DUB/ORKx1

But hard to get Vueling to cough up and given FNJ !!!

Poss two will be 321, all up in the air for now