Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Locker10a

Captain_Crash wrote: »

goingnowhere wrote: »

Operate more A330 EU flights,
The 757 did DUB-LGW a few times earlier this year

Ive heard it mentioned that an A330 is being considered for a morning rotation to LHR between TATL legs.

Been hearing that one for years! Let's see!

duskyjoe

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Ive heard it mentioned that an A330 is being considered for a morning rotation to LHR between TATL legs.

That's been mooted before...... all it takes is a delay at LHR and the late T/A rotation threatened. Having said that the 330 is a super reliable aircraft. AL had just rotten luck this summer.

IrishYamm

LXFlyer wrote: »

Bear in mind that Miami does not operate daily. That still leaves scope for an extra route.

Yeah but that 330 will be operating MCO (opposite days to MIA)

IrishYamm

goingnowhere wrote: »

With all these A330's and 757's flying around there is a opportunity to do some clever moves as you can only get 1 return TATL/day if you look at JFK/BOS/IAD you can get out and back with 6+ hours to spare to do something else.

Operate more A330 EU flights, Rome has often been mentioned as has LHR, this frees up a A320/1 to do something else and gets the A330 off the apron. Slots are limited so go bigger is the only way to shift more people and the latest from DAA is an increase in the hourly capacity at T2 and T1 which hints at this.

The 757 did DUB-LGW a few times earlier this year, so out and back to MAN/BHD could be an idea, as you would rather avoid delays at LHR/LGW or maybe you want to operate to LHR/LGW and have a biz cabin

Last year there were talks of an earlier departure from airports like Rome and Milan to connect to the earlier T/A flights, overnighting one or two 320 abroad apart from LHR

Bussywussy

The utilization of the A330s is already at max..all well and good somebody spotting an A330 sitting on the ground all day in summer ie in on EI108 back out on EI109,this only happens the aircraft that needs the down day for maintenance i.e troubleshooting etc...and that's not including the scheduled A check down days...As duskyjoe mentioned it is a very reliable aircraft but it does throw up a lot of faults mainly on the engines that are placed on the MEL that require time to rectify...certainly not on a turnaround...

lots of the turnarounds are already done in ridiculous time frames with weekly and other scheduled maintenance thrown in,this stuff goes totally unnoticed by fleet/ops planners etc


mood lighting- DUO is scheduled to be the first at the moment,however ops demands may change this.Think there a blue colour setting exactly the same as ryanair!!!!

AoifeOCaa

Bussywussy wrote: »

The utilization of the A330s is already at max..all well and good somebody spotting an A330 sitting on the ground all day in summer ie in on EI108 back out on EI109,this only happens the aircraft that needs the down day for maintenance i.e troubleshooting etc...and that's not including the scheduled A check down days...As duskyjoe mentioned it is a very reliable aircraft but it does throw up a lot of faults mainly on the engines that are placed on the MEL that require time to rectify...certainly not on a turnaround...

lots of the turnarounds are already done in ridiculous time frames with weekly and other scheduled maintenance thrown in,this stuff goes totally unnoticed by fleet/ops planners etc



mood lighting- DUO is scheduled to be the first at the moment,however ops demands may change this.Think there a blue colour setting exactly the same as ryanair!!!!

So if there is a route being announced this year, starting in 2018, what would it be? Las Vegas can't be reach with a 757 so I presume somewhere in the East Coast? YUL?

L1011

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

So if there is a route being announced this year, starting in 2018, what would it be? Las Vegas can't be reach with a 757 so I presume somewhere in the East Coast? YUL?

PIT and/or PHL as already said are the most likely. Two routes is entirely possible as both will be less than weekly.

IrishYamm

L1011 wrote: »

PIT and/or PHL as already said are the most likely. Two routes is entirely possible as both will be less than weekly.

More likely to hear the announcement of YUL in November than any of those for now. AA already operates PHL and no interest for aer lingus to go ahead in competiton with them

L1011

IrishYamm wrote: »

More likely to hear the announcement of YUL in November than any of those for now. AA already operates PHL and no interest for aer lingus to go ahead in competiton with them

The chance for YUL is realistically gone with RV on it now.

Captain_Crash

L1011 wrote: »

The chance for YUL is realistically gone with RV on it now.

YUL to DUB is AC mainline.

IrishYamm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

YUL to DUB is AC mainline.

Yes exactly. Another reason for aer lingus to start the route. Same away as they upgraded the route for the a330 on YYZ while AC upgraded for the main line

L1011

Captain_Crash wrote: »

YUL to DUB is AC mainline.

Realistically even less chance for EI then. Bare bone LCC once weekly and a full-service airline on other days; to what's not a massive destination.

Jamie2k9

NH2013 wrote: »

From what I've heard talk is of 1, possibly 2 additional short haul frames being brought in for summer 2018, one long term lease and the other a short term summer lease similar to EI-FCC a few summers ago.

Wouldn't surprise me, they had a load of extra flights loaded for summer but they were removed. What is certain is they will have a daily slot pair free from operating BHD to ALC/PMI.
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You will unlikely see the A330 on LHR simply because of gate issues in LHR and the handlers couldn't turn it around in time without rising costs. I know its always been rumoured, the new 08.30 slots starting in November more than cover any capacity shortage during peak morning.

IrishYamm

L1011 wrote: »

Realistically even less chance for EI then. Bare bone LCC once weekly and a full-service airline on other days; to what's not a massive destination.

Thats another reason for aer lingus to start the route... same way they did it with YYZ. Baring in mind that route is more than a half of connections from Ethiad

duskyjoe

I hear YUL on th cards. Why I don't know as I think it's over serviced as it is.

Captain_Crash

duskyjoe wrote: »

I hear YYZ on th cards. Why I don't know as I think it's over serviced as it is.

With who & from where? DUB already has TS, AC, EI and WS (one stop) to YYZ and SNN now has a service added with AC

duskyjoe

Captain_Crash wrote: »

With who & from where? DUB already has TS, AC, EI and WS (one stop) to YYZ and SNN now has a service added with AC

Sorry YUL. My error and amended.

Van.Bosch

They already fly YYZ?

Cravens

EI could actually just make YYC with a 757 - I think that's more worthwhile a venture than also jumping into YUL.

Per webflyer, the distance from DUB to YYC is 6580km, and the 757 has a max range of 7400km. So, if we take the basic rule of taking 500 miles/ 800km off the max range, EI can just about make it in the summers.

L1011

IrishYamm wrote: »

Thats another reason for aer lingus to start the route... same way they did it with YYZ. Baring in mind that route is more than a half of connections from Ethiad

The went in to YYZ due to there being large demand and poor service from AC/TS.

YUL has much lower demand and an already announced huge increase in service.

There is no sane way to see that as a reason to go in.

MICKEYG

Aer Lingus could do worse than take a look at American Airlines new on board product
Just got off one of their new A321's and the features are grear.
Movies, TV, Music, Maps, Power (USB and plugged) and WiFi (which I admit I did not use).
Very impressive.

L1011

Lying awake with the window open, and living on one of the approach paths to RW10 I noticed that EI don't appear to have done the mod to stop the fuel vent port noise that makes 320s very much louder at ~3000ft than 737s

Heathrow was putting pressure on airlines that fly there with lots of 320s to do the retrofits - as the fourth largest slot holder at Heathrow; one of the ones above them having zero 320s, I would have thought they'd have been put under a lot of pressure from there?

kevinandrew

Aer Lingus was recently ranked as the second quietest and cleanest airline at Heathrow, after British Airways short haul. 

http://your.heathrow.com/heathrow-rank-airlines-noise-emissions-first-time-fly-quiet-clean-league-table/

http://www.heathrowflyquietandclean.com/q1-2017/

So it looks like they've been performing pretty well in this regard already.

basill

Aer Lingus could do worse than take a look at American Airlines new on board product. Just got off one of their new A321's and the features are grear. Movies, TV, Music, Maps, Power (USB and plugged) and WiFi (which I admit I did not use). Very impressive.

AL has never been a market leader and never will be. Their product will be dictated by the competition. The business plan is to be a "value carrier". As the loads are not impacted with people rushing off for any of the frills there is no need to upgrade to the latest and greatest.

Lapmo_Dancer

L1011 wrote: »

Lying awake with the window open, and living on one of the approach paths to RW10 I noticed that EI don't appear to have done the mod to stop the fuel vent port noise that makes 320s very much louder at ~3000ft than 737s

Heathrow was putting pressure on airlines that fly there with lots of 320s to do the retrofits - as the fourth largest slot holder at Heathrow; one of the ones above them having zero 320s, I would have thought they'd have been put under a lot of pressure from there?

Think EI has the second highest number of movements at LHR after BA?

alancostello

basill wrote: »

AL has never been a market leader and never will be. Their product will be dictated by the competition. The business plan is to be a "value carrier". As the loads are not impacted with people rushing off for any of the frills there is no need to upgrade to the latest and greatest.

Beyond that I don't think it's entirely fair to compare the US Domestic market to a Euro carrier's short haul. US Carriers have a discernable business(domestic first) product, and AA are removing IFE from their 737 Max when they start taking delivery. IAG have also announced plans for WiFi on short haul in the next two years, they're behind, yes, but in line with the current market.

Captain_Crash

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Think EI has the second highest number of movements at LHR after BA?

LH, UA, VS and AA are ahead, or at least were circa 2015.

Lapmo_Dancer

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Think EI has the second highest number of movements at LHR after BA?

LH, UA, VS and AA are ahead, or at least were circa 2015.

Just checked NATS statistic.

During August, each airline has the following number of arrivals at LHR:

EI - 696
VS - 618
AA - 555
LH - 554
UA - 484

Captain_Crash

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Just checked NATS statistic.

During August, each airline has the following number of arrivals at LHR:

EI - 696
VS - 618
AA - 555
LH - 554
UA - 484

Alas! I stand corrected... I wasn't able to find updated figures. I'd imagine with those numbers, AA and UA still lead in terms of passenger numbers?

L1011

I was going on an older slots list; it probably also has slots by actual owner not operator - LH were above EI but they are probably renting out slots going back to the BMI days; VS were above but DL definitely do use some of their slots.