Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Fattes

L1011 wrote: »

Look at the title of the thread

Yep well aware but ansignificant number of weeks and routes this summer had the Aer Lingus fleet was hired in aircraft. Air Lingus fleet discussion should clearly include wet or dry lease aircraft they include on schedule routes as they are part of the fleet for that period and the overall EI package.

Unless you want to be super pendantic and over mod and exclude lease aircraft or are we coming to a point we're we can not discuss the ASL/ OMNI leased 757's? 🙄

L1011

Fattes wrote: »

Yep well aware but a significant section of their summer schedule fleet was hired in aircraft. Air Lingus fleet discussion should clearly include wet or dry lease aircraft they include on schedule routes as they are part of the fleet for that period

It wasn't substantial

Emergency sub ins are not part of the fleet. Its not pedantry, its being blatantly obvious.

No EI aircraft has had overhead screens for years, which was the point of the post.

goingnowhere

It was 2 aircraft out of 52 of the mainline fleet, which were around for 2 weeks, only impacting at most 4 flights a day for a about 3 days and 2 for about 2 weeks.

Pure bad luck with two aircraft

Have a look over a BA they have hire ins from Qatar and Titan every day for several weeks

That said EI/BA/IB/VY need to get their game on and develop some form of group white tail IAG operation to cover for this. A320 works fine but there is no common long haul aircraft type cross the 3 long haul airlines which would allow local crew to operate

alancostello

goingnowhere wrote: »

That said EI/BA/IB/VY need to get their game on and develop some form of group white tail IAG operation to cover for this. A320 works fine but there is no common long haul aircraft type cross the 3 long haul airlines which would allow local crew to operate

I would imagine this has to be part of the eventual plan, certainly if they're already standardising short haul. IB introducing Premium Economy on long haul is a step this way, surprised there hasn't been word of it for EI given even the US carriers are doing it now.

goingnowhere

alancostello wrote: »

I would imagine this has to be part of the eventual plan, certainly if they're already standardising short haul. IB introducing Premium Economy on long haul is a step this way, surprised there hasn't been word of it for EI given even the US carriers are doing it now.

The A350 was to have a PE but the nearest we are getting to A350 is the model in the lounge in Dublin

Van.Bosch

goingnowhere wrote: »

The A350 was to have a PE but the nearest we are getting to A350 is the model in the lounge in Dublin

I keep hearing this and I would agree that with 3 due in 2018 we should have heard more by now but if they are not going to EI, then who is getting them and why hasn't it been announced by now? It has been rumoured for over 18 months that they are not EI bound so why the secrecy about who is going to fly them in the next 12 months?

goingnowhere

BA apparently, the 2018 decal was removed from the A350 in Dublin a while back

The EI A330-300's were originally destined for IB, 4 in total, 3 arrived, 1 more this year. There is no way EI could have got them without the musical chairs within IAG who could turn up new A330's and get them delivered in months not years

Van.Bosch

goingnowhere wrote: »

BA apparently, the 2018 decal was removed from the A350 in Dublin a while back

The EI A330-300's were originally destined for IB, 4 in total, 3 arrived, 1 more this year. There is no way EI could have got them without the musical chairs within IAG who could turn up new A330's and get them delivered in months not years

Which all makes sense, I just don't get why when EI got the A330's fast tracked, they didn't announce it then.

Locker10a

Fattes wrote: »

L1011 wrote: »

Emergency sub ins aren't worthy of consideration in this sort of stuff

You pay for an Aer lingusk US medium haul, product and they provide something so sub standard as privelage air for over 3 weeks it's worth mentioning.

even in replacement or short notice cover the aircraft are not up to modern standards or EI own marketed and promoted standards than it is a factor for paying customers.

Certainly was an issue for my elderly parents this summer, and they would normally not mention stuff like this but were horrified bye the standard of the airframe they were in with EI (privelage air) and the service, food and experience. They were also notified only at checkin despite the airframe operating that route for 4 days before too

So would your parents rather have had their flight was cancelled then? I assume yes seen as theres obviously nothing more disgraceful than having an airline lease in a charter company with over head screens to operate for them due to an exceptional circumstance. How subpar of EI to get their passengers from A to B in such circumstances.....

john boye

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I keep hearing this and I would agree that with 3 due in 2018 we should have heard more by now but if they are not going to EI, then who is getting them and why hasn't it been announced by now? It has been rumoured for over 18 months that they are not EI bound so why the secrecy about who is going to fly them in the next 12 months?

The 3 EI delivery slots for 2018 have been reallocated (to Vietnam airlines I'm almost sure) so they won't necessarily be going to any IAG company in 2018.

Foggy43

goingnowhere wrote: »

BA apparently, the 2018 decal was removed from the A350 in Dublin a while back

The EI A330-300's were originally destined for IB, 4 in total, 3 arrived, 1 more this year. There is no way EI could have got them without the musical chairs within IAG who could turn up new A330's and get them delivered in months not years

BA have ordered 18 A350-1041XWB's. First due next year.
Aer Lingus I think, had ordered 9 A350-941XWB's. Unfortunately the order seems to be no more.

Fattes

Locker10a wrote: »

So would your parents rather have had their flight was cancelled then? I assume yes seen as theres obviously nothing more disgraceful than having an airline lease in a charter company with over head screens to operate for them due to an exceptional circumstance. How subpar of EI to get their passengers from A to B in such circumstances.....

They actually would rather have been advised in advance, using the contact details they provided to EI and have the option to make alternate arrangements! Also it was not just an issue with IFE but, the whole service experience, pre paid meals not available etc

Totally understand these things happen in the industry more how it was handled is the issue

Tenger

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Which all makes sense, I just don't get why when EI got the A330's fast tracked, they didn't announce it then.

Last fleet investor update from IAG showed future plans for A330 and B777 fleets. B787 and A350 fleets were marked "TBA".

It's not 'secrecy' in a conspiratorial sense. It's a commercial group not tipping their hand/ not rushing to announce too early, the allocation to of these aircraft will impact the receiving airlines network in a big way.

Tenger

Fattes wrote: »

They actually would rather have been advised in advance, using the contact details they provided to EI and have the option to make alternate arrangements!."....................
Totally understand these things happen in the industry more how it was handled is the issue

Chances are that the particular flight to be switched was decided on the day or the day before. Last month EI seemed to alternate late Chicago/late Boston to have the leased aircraft. My guess is this was based on a combination of transfers/Business passengers/ cargo.

ohigg84

Bussywussy wrote: »

Its pot luck with the way the schedule worked that LAX operated those flights..
Anyway its DUO unless theres tech or schedule issues leading up to it

I'd say itcould be LAX or DUO.. LAX is enroute to ORD now, DUO is flying to SFO.

Although I'd put my money on LAX though.. I'm certain DUO will fly the LAX route tomorrow.
LAX will be on the apron most of the morning/early afternoon..

Captain_Crash

LAX, DUO..... it doesn't really matter so long at its not DUZ who had to return to DUB this evening following a hydraulic leak

JCX BXC

Never know, DUZ could be in good health tomorrow and be knocking around for the inaugural!

*Joking btw

Captain_Crash

JCX BXC wrote: »

Never know, DUZ could be in good health tomorrow and be knocking around for the inaugural!

*Joking btw

Haha.... wouldn't that be just dandy lol

ozzy jr

I flew on the A350 last Friday (Finnair to Bangkok) and I'll be returning on it next weekend. I didn't really think it was anything special. It certainly didn't have the wow factor that flying on the A380 did.

We were stuck on it 3 hours prior to take off, due to technical problems. 3 times we pushed back, only to return to the stand on the first 2 occasions. A 9.5 hour flight followed so maybe that's what has me a bit "meh" about it. I couldn't wait to get off it

As long as EI keep expanding their network, I'm not really to concerned about it being 330 or 350.

alancostello

ozzy jr wrote: »

I flew on the A350 last Friday (Finnair to Bangkok) and I'll be returning on it next weekend. I didn't really think it was anything special. It certainly didn't have the wow factor that flying on the A380 did.

We were stuck on it 3 hours prior to take off, due to technical problems. 3 times we pushed back, only to return to the stand on the first 2 occasions. A 9.5 hour flight followed so maybe that's what has me a bit "meh" about it. I couldn't wait to get off it

As long as EI keep expanding their network, I'm not really to concerned about it being 330 or 350.

I’d take the a350 over the 787 any day, particularly in Y, a 9 abreast 787 is a killer. But I agree nothing has the wow like an a380.

Tenger

Captain_Crash wrote: »

DUO it is:-)

We expect a trip report on the inaugural DUB-MIA.

duskyjoe

Tenger wrote: »

We expect a trip report on the inaugural DUB-MIA.

Your having a laugh?

jesus_thats_gre

Tenger wrote: »

We expect a trip report on the inaugural DUB-MIA.

Flying Miami to Dublin on Sunday evening as it happens. Economy mind you

Tenger

duskyjoe wrote: »

Your having a laugh?

Was just interested to hear if EI did anything special for the passengers onboard.

CoisFharraige

Tenger wrote: »

Was just interested to hear if EI did anything special for the passengers onboard.

Would Tenger like a free pen

AndyBoBandy

Tenger wrote: »

Was just interested to hear if EI did anything special for the passengers onboard.

Yeah, their all going to get their Avios & Tier Credits on time

Bussywussy

Tenger wrote: »

Was just interested to hear if EI did anything special for the passengers onboard.

I heard Keith Barry was onboard doing magic ****e, hopefully he tricked the crew into keeping the techlog clean..

Captain_Crash

Bussywussy wrote: »

I heard Keith Barry was onboard doing magic ****e, hopefully he tricked the crew into keeping the techlog clean..

He was yeah, and to be fair one of the tricks he done baffles me! But other than that it was a normal flight and most people weren't aware of its significance....

However, the crew mentioned nothing about the water cannon salute upon arrival and a few people got scared thinking we were on fire (no joke)

@Tenger, I'll do a trip report at some point I'm the next week and post a thread about it

billy few mates

Captain_Crash wrote: »

He was yeah, and to be fair one of the tricks he done baffles me! But other than that it was a normal flight and most people weren't aware of its significance....

However, the crew mentioned nothing about the water cannon salute upon arrival and a few people got scared thinking we were on fire (no joke)

@Tenger, I'll do a trip report at some point I'm the next week and post a thread about it

Maybe they could get him to manage the loyalty scheme...

duskyjoe

Tenger wrote: »

Was just interested to hear if EI did anything special for the passengers onboard.

https://mobile.twitter.com/aerlingus/status/904268598125801472

Here ya go!! I must be getting old but it's just lost on me the joker stuff. Hope the route is winner as MIA is so important as a gateway to the south