Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

joeysoap

Van.Bosch wrote: »

When IAG talk of standardising the fleet they don't necessarily mean the same seating config. They mean same cockpit, toilets, galleys etc. The layout of seats can be different, I think I saw a slide which said with this it would then only take a week to adjust seating and move to a sister airline. So in the standard fleet you could have an EI A320 with 150 seats and an Iberia with 6 business and 130 economy

According to airfleets BA have 3 different seat configurations on their A320's - 168 and 171 (not that different from AL) and 144 (48 and 96, though I am puzzled by their graphics as they seem to display 162 seats)

The lighting on the new RY 737 is pretty cool, experienced it last year and the crew were 'playing' around with it ( they clearly had never been shown how to operate it, and to be fair the passengers joined in with cheering and laughing with them as went through the different combinations)

Locker10a

joeysoap wrote: »

Van.Bosch wrote: »

When IAG talk of standardising the fleet they don't necessarily mean the same seating config. They mean same cockpit, toilets, galleys etc. The layout of seats can be different, I think I saw a slide which said with this it would then only take a week to adjust seating and move to a sister airline. So in the standard fleet you could have an EI A320 with 150 seats and an Iberia with 6 business and 130 economy

According to airfleets BA have 3 different seat configurations on their A320's - 168 and 171 (not that different from AL) and 144 (48 and 96, though I am puzzled by their graphics as they seem to display 162 seats)

The lighting on the new RY 737 is pretty cool, experienced it last year and the crew were 'playing' around with it ( they clearly had never been shown how to operate it, and to be fair the passengers joined in with cheering and laughing with them as went through the different combinations)

I truly don't get the whole fascination with mood lighting, and I can't say it makes a huge difference to a flight, perhaps the one exception being overnight or "redeye" flights where it might slightly help. I don't see the benefit to EI fitting it on their short haul aircraft at all.
In my opinion the EI short haul planes are fine and don't need any changes, they have probably the most comfortable, wide, sturdy seats of all Euro airlines in economy, and they have not crammed in rows like easyJet, Vueling or some of the new BA 320s all of which have abysmal leg room and god awful toilets the size of a coffin.

LXFlyer

Tenger wrote: »

I might like aviation but you would have to give me some reward for being on an aircraft for ~18 hours out of 24!!!

I suspect that the option of staying possibly through a hurricane would focus your mind Tenger?

Presumably this means no crew are in Miami now?

joeysoap

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its just been rescheduled and will be coming back with the load that was already booked on it.... I was supposed to be on it but I left yesterday via ORD instead

Locker10a wrote: »

I truly don't get the whole fascination with mood lighting, and I can't say it makes a huge difference to a flight, perhaps the one exception being overnight or "redeye" flights where it might slightly help. I don't see the benefit to EI fitting it on their short haul aircraft at all.
In my opinion the EI short haul planes are fine and don't need any changes, they have probably the most comfortable, wide, sturdy seats of all Euro airlines in economy, and they have not crammed in rows like easyJet, Vueling or some of the new BA 320s all of which have abysmal leg room and god awful toilets the size of a coffin.

Agree about the AL seats, they are the most comfortable.

The mood lighting is cool ( though not necessary)

Locker10a

I see CS-TQP of Hifly is operating under the EI990 callsign right now. Anyone know why?

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

I see CS-TQP of Hifly is operating under the EI990 callsign right now. Anyone know why?

I saw elsewhere that it operated a short haul flight for EI yesterday. Pics were posted on Facebook spotters group. No idea why if was needed however, none of the insiders in that group divulged.
EI990 must be its ferry flight back to home base.

A319er

See the lingus source.com

Rather than strand DUBACEDUB it subbed in , the crew rest then back to Dub.

Subbing in , mm there's an idea for MOL ?

john boye

It operated DUB-ACE yesterday (although it ended up overnighting there and only operated the return today). Perhaps an earlier ACE sector was canceled and EI had to draft in extra capacity for the later flight?

Bussywussy

john boye wrote: »

It operated DUB-ACE yesterday (although it ended up overnighting there and only operated the return today). Perhaps an earlier ACE sector was canceled and EI had to draft in extra capacity for the later flight?

Thinks that was it,is there 2 flights on a Sunday??? There was a 320 grounded.

Jamie2k9

Bussywussy wrote: »

Thinks that was it,is there 2 flights on a Sunday??? There was a 320 grounded.

They have been flying around 11 or 12 weekly over the summer so yes Sundays would see two.

goingnowhere

That should be standard on the A321neolr's coming

Is EI going to retrofit the existing A320 fleet unlikely, its a full package, new overhead bins (much bigger) and new side and ceiling panels

The Little Red birds had fancy lighting already, but got taken out

California Dreamer

When is -GCF inbound?

alancostello

Speaking of -GCF, she’s just out of the paint shop

https://www.flickr.com/photos/330_340/37183742101/

AoifeOCaa

I heard Aer Lingus would announce YUL or PHL very soon on the 757 (no later than November) before the new a333 arrives, as the new a333 will be operating IAD. Is this possibly true? But also had heard there will be no new routes in 2018 due to DAA prices.

L1011

YUL now has Transat and Rouge for next summer so may be a bit crowded - I know YYZ has the three *and* WS same-plane one stops but its a much bigger destination.

PIT has been rumoured, as has PHL. New routes are rarely daily so it could easily be both, 3 and 4 weekly.

Jamie2k9

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

I heard Aer Lingus would announce YUL or PHL very soon on the 757 (no later than November) before the new a333 arrives, as the new a333 will be operating IAD. Is this possibly true? But also had heard there will be no new routes in 2018 due to DAA prices.

There will be new routes and of course MIA operates into next summer.

AoifeOCaa

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There will be new routes and of course MIA operates into next summer.

MIA was a 2017 route.
Well at the moment aer lingus doesn't have aircrafts for more than one new route. just one 330 coming in December and no aircrafts will be delivered in 2018. Air Canada announced yul already.... when would aer lingus announce a new route (if any)? I don't see any new routes coming in 2018 in fairness.

Jamie2k9

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

MIA was a 2017 route.
Well at the moment aer lingus doesn't have aircrafts for more than one new route. just one 330 coming in December and no aircrafts will be delivered in 2018. Air Canada announced yul already.... when would aer lingus announce a new route (if any)? I don't see any new routes coming in 2018 in fairness.

There will be at least one new route and you can be sure the EI PR machine will spin MIA as a new summer 2018 route as well. The route has apparently been agreed for some time just a matter of when they will announce. i don't see it been to much longer before they go public.

AoifeOCaa

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There will be at least one new route and you can be sure the EI PR machine will spin MIA as a new summer 2018 route as well. The route has apparently been agreed for some time just a matter of when they will announce. i don't see it been to much longer before they go public.

Absolutely and they will probably increase the frequencies on the MIA route at some point if the route proves to be successful. But still, it was a route announced in 2016 and launched in 2017. My question was if there would be any new route or routes in 2018... (which will probably be announced soon, if there is any).

What route has apparently been agreed for some time? Las Vegas isn't going to happen anymore.

kevinandrew

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There will be at least one new route and you can be sure the EI PR machine will spin MIA as a new summer 2018 route as well.  The route has apparently been agreed for some time just a matter of when they will announce.  i don't see it been to much longer before they go public.

Absolutely and they will probably increase the frequencies on the MIA route at some point if the route proves to be successful. But still, it was a route announced in 2016 and launched in 2017. My question was if there would be any new route or routes in 2018... (which will probably be announced soon, if there is any).

What route has apparently been agreed for some time? Las Vegas isn't going to happen anymore.

Aer Lingus announced Miami in November 2016 so there's still plenty of time left for a new route to be announced for next year.

IrishYamm

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Absolutely and they will probably increase the frequencies on the MIA route at some point if the route proves to be successful. But still, it was a route announced in 2016 and launched in 2017. My question was if there would be any new route or routes in 2018... (which will probably be announced soon, if there is any).

What route has apparently been agreed for some time? Las Vegas isn't going to happen anymore.

I would hardly see a new American/Canadian route for 2018. Specially due to the fact there is no aircrafts being added to the fleet in 2018. Short Haul won't have any expansion for sure 99%. In fact with so many cuts on short haul routes (AMS due to KLM, BHD flights among others) wouldn't surprise me if they send 1 or 2 320 back to lease.

Jamie2k9

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Absolutely and they will probably increase the frequencies on the MIA route at some point if the route proves to be successful. But still, it was a route announced in 2016 and launched in 2017. My question was if there would be any new route or routes in 2018... (which will probably be announced soon, if there is any).

What route has apparently been agreed for some time? Las Vegas isn't going to happen anymore.

I would hardly see a new American/Canadian route for 2018. Specially due to the fact there is no aircrafts being added to the fleet in 2018. Short Haul won't have any expansion for sure 99%. In fact with so many cuts on short haul routes (AMS due to KLM, BHD flights among others) wouldn't surprise me if they send 1 or 2 320 back to lease.

There will 100% be a new T/A route in 2018, it's a done deal. As for SH I would expect the fleet to remain static and not reduce at the very least....

IrishYamm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There will 100% be a new T/A route in 2018, it's a done deal. As for SH I would expect the fleet to remain static and not reduce at the very least....

Do you see any expansion on the SH though?

Regarding long haul if you so sure of the new route, what will it be or might be?

LXFlyer

IrishYamm wrote: »

I would hardly see a new American/Canadian route for 2018. Specially due to the fact there is no aircrafts being added to the fleet in 2018. Short Haul won't have any expansion for sure 99%. In fact with so many cuts on short haul routes (AMS due to KLM, BHD flights among others) wouldn't surprise me if they send 1 or 2 320 back to lease.

Bear in mind that Miami does not operate daily. That still leaves scope for an extra route.

duskyjoe

Why do they keep looking at North America? Sure there's guaranteed business towards Asia?

NH2013

IrishYamm wrote: »

I would hardly see a new American/Canadian route for 2018. Specially due to the fact there is no aircrafts being added to the fleet in 2018. Short Haul won't have any expansion for sure 99%. In fact with so many cuts on short haul routes (AMS due to KLM, BHD flights among others) wouldn't surprise me if they send 1 or 2 320 back to lease.

From what I've heard talk is of 1, possibly 2 additional short haul frames being brought in for summer 2018, one long term lease and the other a short term summer lease similar to EI-FCC a few summers ago.

Locker10a

IrishYamm wrote: »

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Absolutely and they will probably increase the frequencies on the MIA route at some point if the route proves to be successful. But still, it was a route announced in 2016 and launched in 2017. My question was if there would be any new route or routes in 2018... (which will probably be announced soon, if there is any).

What route has apparently been agreed for some time? Las Vegas isn't going to happen anymore.

I would hardly see a new American/Canadian route for 2018. Specially due to the fact there is no aircrafts being added to the fleet in 2018. Short Haul won't have any expansion for sure 99%. In fact with so many cuts on short haul routes (AMS due to KLM, BHD flights among others) wouldn't surprise me if they send 1 or 2 320 back to lease.

It's already been mentioned above there is scope in the fleet for a new route to operate 3/4 days per week, which would make sense for the development of a new route. It can then be expended when new aircraft arrive the following year?
Any A320s not use by KLM or on BHD routes could very easily be filled on additional sunshine routes from DUB next summer. There no let up for the demand to the sun from Irish airports during the summer.

Locker10a

NH2013 wrote: »

IrishYamm wrote: »

I would hardly see a new American/Canadian route for 2018. Specially due to the fact there is no aircrafts being added to the fleet in 2018. Short Haul won't have any expansion for sure 99%. In fact with so many cuts on short haul routes (AMS due to KLM, BHD flights among others) wouldn't surprise me if they send 1 or 2 320 back to lease.

From what I've heard talk is of 1, possibly 2 additional short haul frames being brought in for summer 2018, one long term lease and the other a short term summer lease similar to EI-FCC a few summers ago.

That's interesting but doesn't surprise me. There must also be surely some plan at this stage on replacing older frames and starting a short haul fleet replacement. I know the A321s prove to be great for additional capacity particularly on summer holiday flights but aren't they reaching an age where they require more costly checks?

goingnowhere

With all these A330's and 757's flying around there is a opportunity to do some clever moves as you can only get 1 return TATL/day if you look at JFK/BOS/IAD you can get out and back with 6+ hours to spare to do something else.

Operate more A330 EU flights, Rome has often been mentioned as has LHR, this frees up a A320/1 to do something else and gets the A330 off the apron. Slots are limited so go bigger is the only way to shift more people and the latest from DAA is an increase in the hourly capacity at T2 and T1 which hints at this.

The 757 did DUB-LGW a few times earlier this year, so out and back to MAN/BHD could be an idea, as you would rather avoid delays at LHR/LGW or maybe you want to operate to LHR/LGW and have a biz cabin

Captain_Crash

goingnowhere wrote: »

Operate more A330 EU flights,
The 757 did DUB-LGW a few times earlier this year

Ive heard it mentioned that an A330 is being considered for a morning rotation to LHR between TATL legs.