Foynes Line

Board Walker

The latest is the track panel is to be installed in October to link the line with the network.

MayoSalmon

Is Adare station going to be refurbished and opened as part of this work?

goingnowhere

Nope, this is a purely freight line

nigra

Can we talk purely hypotheticals for a moment. How frequent and what capacity of commuter service could possibly be in place for the Ryder Cup in 2027? As far as I know there are no passing loops between Adare and Colbert station so the frequency of service would be rubbish ,which surely means the headline below is fiction:

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/golf/1902642/mayor-believes-10-000-people-a-day-will-travel-by-train-to-ryder-cup-in-limerick.html

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123865853#Comment_123865853

With a motorway buses would ve more efficient than a single line

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123865853#Comment_123865853

It's not at all realistic. A 6 car high capacity 22000 set or an 8 car Mark VI set has the largest seated capacity on the network of around 420. You'd need 25 runs of one of these sets heading out of Colbert past the Foynes line and then reversing back onto the line and heading towards Adare on a line not signalled for passenger services.

They won't be using any of the intercity sets, so you'd be looking at the 2800 which has a seated capacity of 85 ( 2 car set). You can do the maths there yourself.

Mayor Moran seems to come out with quite a lot of these proclamations, but it's not at all realistic.

goingnowhere

Its a lovely idea but getting the funding alone will take longer than the 2 years ahead of us. It won't get past a business case or the NTA. CRR would need to approve the design of any station etc, and of course where do you source trains and drivers from?

Adare station is in private ownership and the loop is on the Foynes side of Adare so in the wrong place vs the golf course, its also on a curve so a big no no for a platform. So best you could is something temporary at the L1424 and use the loop the store trains, in that case you could surge capacity of up 6 trains in a row to Foynes but then you are busted and have to send them all back to Limerick so you could bring 4000-5000 to Adare in the morning and 4000-5000 back in the evening

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123865967#Comment_123865967

not really due to getting in and out of the towns along with all the other traffic constraints.

+ people movers are what you need for events like this to get as many people in and away after as you can without causing unreasonable levels of disruption to everyone else.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123866073#Comment_123866073

2800s have oodles of standing capacity so would actually be more suitable for such a service, it is exactly what they are designed for, heavy people movers on slow suburban and similar type services.

i don't believe a passenger service will happen either but if it had been signalled to adare at least then a service would be doable, not perfect with the reversal sure but not the biggest deal as we aren't running non-push pull locomotive and coach sets anymore.

goingnowhere

Getting a train to Adare is the easy part, providing a rail service with meaningful capacity that will make an impact thats a challenge. No point sending 400 people in and out once a day for 3-4 days, you got to provide something useful that will be impactful so shifting thousands not a token gesture

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123867432#Comment_123867432

I was posting as in the situation in Limerick and the Ryder Cup in Adare. I am not sure if at any other Ryder Cup they have tried to put in a specific rail solution. Even if they have the Limerick to Adare has particular issues.

First off there is no direct access to Limericks Corbert station from this line. It's not possible to solve that issue in the time frame to the RC

Iseven if there is demand to provide trains from Dublin or Cork for day trippers and you have the challenges at Adare station to solve as other have pointed out already

Park and rides are an obvious option. From Limerick city because of its sprawling nature busses leaving the suburbs of Raheen, Cahirdavin, Castleton and even the city center itself have easy access to the motorway. A dedicated bus route with access to the golf course would mean that bus times would be quite rapid.

Even if people going to the event arrived at Adare railway station, they would have a nice m walk as far as the golf course and a bit of it through the village. You have then to factor in the odds on the weather type we will get in any Spetember in Ireland

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123871691#Comment_123871691

none of those issues are massive, train just reverses to go on the foynes line from limerick, not ideal but not a big issue.

yes there is the issue of storage at adare but there isn't really anything that can be done about that.

the main issue though is the line isn't being signalled for passenger services.

you won't really get rapid with buses if a large amount of them are going to be on the motor way and then getting them in and out of the city so really park and rides will only be able to offer a small amount of capacity.

Pete_Cavan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123872235#Comment_123872235

getting them in and out of the city so really park and rides will only be able to offer a small amount of capacity

Are you referring to Limerick city here? If so, they don't have to get in and out of the city as P&Rs would be more effective if placed on the wider National road network (M7, M18, N20, N21 west of Adare). While there will be plenty of people traveling from Limerick city centre each day, it will be small enough in comparison to the total number of attendees.

Very few domestic attendees will be coming from Limerick city centre and while many international attendees may stay in Limerick, you'll also have many staying in accommodation all over west county Limerick, north east Kerry and north Cork. Even of the line was signalled for passenger services, it brings very little as it can only serve people traveling from one location (Limerick city centre) and even that location will be seriously restricted in terms of the number of trains it can handle. There will be a mass exodus in the hour after the final putt each day and there would be very limited train capacity to deal with that.

L1011

From memory of it messing up my commute; the previous Ryder Cup in Ireland had a substantial shuttle operation to Leixlip Louisa (although I think the trains had to continue to Maynooth to turn) which had just had a large carpark built and was far more capable of handling loads of shuttle buses than Maynooth.

Irish Rail were insisting they had no available rolling stock for any extra services at all at the time so it was rather a surprise to see what they found down the back of the sofa! Rather more realistic problem this time around

dowlingm

To a certain extent one looks at the Adare Bypass and thinks “if they wanted to do it (put provision for a rail solution) they would have done it”. But it makes the powers that be look bad to rule it out entirely, and I think there will be resistance to more public money going to this event. If the Irish Open was committed to Adare for the following year you would at least get two uses out of it.

In fact, looking at Dronehawk’s video and the map I wish, like the M7 Limerick ring road and the Nenagh branch, that the projects had been joined so that the Foynes line could have been realigned a bit.

I think it would be helpful if those who post things like “isn’t signalled to passenger standards” could point to (1) what signalling scheme is intended for the line and (2) the actual passenger standard. If Foynes freight is going to be run as what amounts to a maintenance possession then you could only have one train on the line at a time, and that isn’t very useful to move many, although I suppose it could have been used by Belmond for a single high priced service direct from Dublin or further.

LXFlyer

Mary Considine, new IE CEO, has just confirmed to the Oireachtas Transport Committee that a temporary platform will be constructed on the line at Adare for use during the Ryder Cup in 2027.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123927288#Comment_123927288

I wonder has there been work going on behind the scenes. If not it's a very bold statement.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123927293#Comment_123927293

I suspect that, despite the assertions here by various posters that this would never happen, that in fact yes there have been plans worked on behind the scenes.

dowlingm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123927343#Comment_123927343

hopefully it won’t be subject to planning objections or blunders like the Maigue bridge

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/the-irish-mail-on-sunday/20240901/281595245885500?srsltid=AfmBOoqiCUUvEHHRJGc6jLaUTQOE-Qwv477laTgdBApiE0BjUms1l5Ht

Cookiemunster

That couple who objected to the raising of the line still live in the old station house. They've also in the recent past, taken a JR against LCCC over a CPO of a tiny part of their land as it could have 'adversely affected their privacy'.

Peter Sweetman still knows that the station is in the Lower Shannon SAC.

As it will need planning permission I can't see how neither objects.

It's 22 months to the start of the tournament. If they actually want to build this, they'd want to get the planning application in ASAP.