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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Friday 27th Nov 5.1 miles @ mixed paces

    Well that was very interesting to say the least, also, a little comical, I'll come to that later. So, the test is laps of the track @ pre prescribed paces based on my recent PB's that I'd sent him previously. After each set he takes a tiny blood sample & gets a lactate reading. Paces started around 10MM & went down, 9:30, 9:00, 8:30, 8:00 etc.

    I'll get the full set of results in a couple of days but basically I'm a slow twitch runner. He was very happy that I'd been doing my easy runs at the pace I've been doing them but he will give me a HR range now which will see them increase. I think around 8:30 pace is where the graph started to rise for lactate. I haven't been doing enough training in the tempo zone so lots of slow easy miles and once a week fast sessions so I'm missing a big zone in the middle that my body is not used to running at.

    So, marathon pace. I hope you're sitting down, and don't have a hot drink in your hand because here's what he suggested I should be aiming for to complete a marathon in. 3:50!!!! yep, you read that right :D:D I laughed, for about 2 mins straight but we chatted about it a bit more and he's saying 'eventually' so not in 5 months time for Rotterdam but he still thinks I'm being too conservative with my goal. Ok, he's the expert, and certainly I can't wait to see what paces come under the HR zones he's going to send me on. From memory easy is up to 145HR, MP is 145-155 I think.

    I'm sure I should have asked him a ton of questions but it all made sense to me at the time, and as I say, I still have to get the figures in black & white.

    3:50 :D:D:D I look forward to that day

    I forgot to say, he said my running form is quite good but that I need to be kicking my ass with my heel more and I need to go back doing the drills the strength guy gave me earlier in the year and that will improve my running economy - oh, and drop the shoulders :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Don't be putting yourself down, it's not so long ago you thought breaking 25 mins for 5k was a crazy notion. Your more than capable of 3.50 for a marathon and below. Bit of belief woman!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    tang1 wrote: »
    Don't be putting yourself down, it's not so long ago you thought breaking 25 mins for 5k was a crazy notion. Your more than capable of 3.50 for a marathon and below. Bit of belief woman!!!

    ah thanks B, and ok I'll go with 'eventually' but given I haven't been able to break 2hrs for the half (yet) 3:50 would require divine intervention :p

    Having said that, I'm a bit more confident about increasing my paces as obviously there's a science behind this rather than just a random internet calculator. He liked the look of the marathon plan and said I can easily use HR paces instead of pace for the MP & HMP sessions, in fact, these are the zones I'm lacking in and need to be doing considerable mileage there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Very interesting. Who did the test FD? Was there a group of you doing it together from the club or just you on your own with a tester?

    Some nice tasty paces in your session too I see from Strava. Good work!

    +1 to what tang said also!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Very interesting. Who did the test FD? Was there a group of you doing it together from the club or just you on your own with a tester?

    Some nice tasty paces in your session too I see from Strava. Good work!

    +1 to what tang said also!

    No just me with a tester who was recommended by a few people. I think it will be easier to see once I get the HR zones officially and actually start running at those zones & see what paces come back then. Its still all very theoretical until then.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    You'll break 2 hrs for the half in the lead up to Rotterdam if you race one, if not 90 mins is defo going to be broken for 10 miles in Trim next February. All about progression, and currently your progressing nicely with your PB's zero reason why that won't continue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Saturday 28th Nov 7.3 miles @ 10.40 avg hr 142

    This really should have been 10-12 miles to keep the mileage up for the week but I'm still not feeling 100%, and tbh the legs are a bit tired after yesterdays excursions on the track, this became apparent when I tried to sprint through the village to catch someone at the lights I needed to speak to, ouch ouch ouch! so I made an executive decision to cut it short. I have the XC in the cow park tomorrow and am considering taking a full rest week next week (:eek:) Jingle Bells in next Saturday and then the week after that the training plan kicks in. I don't want to start it wrecked and unwell. On the upside I managed to miss the worst of the weather, it was blustery but dry. Tomorrow is an orange weather warning, it should be fun!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Good call today and good luck tomorrow. It's gonna be a mucky one:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Good call today and good luck tomorrow. It's gonna be a mucky one:D

    ha ha thanks, mucky is an understatement :D the cow park is the worst place to run on a good day, I think I'll wear my swim suit under the singlet & shorts!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Firedance wrote: »
    ha ha thanks, mucky is an understatement :D the cow park is the worst place to run on a good day, I think I'll wear my swim suit under the singlet & shorts!!!!

    'Cow Park':D Great name!!!!

    Are you racing flat out? Presume you wear spikes and all that? Excuse the ignorance!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Ososlo wrote: »
    'Cow Park':D Great name!!!!

    Are you racing flat out? Presume you wear spikes and all that? Excuse the ignorance!

    I'll give it my best shot for sure, the rest of the team are great runners though. Yep, spikes but sure we will be calf deep in mud, must remember to tie the laces very securely..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    LOVE Cow Park! You're so lucky! Proper XC mucky fun, enjoy!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    LOVE Cow Park! You're so lucky! Proper XC mucky fun, enjoy!!

    wanna swap??? you crazy loon!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Firedance wrote: »
    wanna swap??? you crazy loon!!!

    I totally would but I have the wrong passport :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Sitting in the club car park, the car is rocking the wind is that strong & its bucketing rain :D I'm definitely breaking up with cross country after this :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Firedance wrote: »
    Sitting in the club car park, the car is rocking :D

    He he!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Sun 29th Nov Meath XC Intermediates 4K Dunboyne Cowpark

    'character building' and a little muddy http://1drv.ms/1PUtxqN

    however, Dunboyne Ladies won Gold :) no thanks to me mind but I was 'on the team' :D:D The men won too so good day out for us on home ground.

    From a personal perspective I wasn't last and believe me, I had to fight tooth & nail to ensure that didn't happen. There were 3 of us at the back of a very small field of runners, I managed to pass the girl in front at one point but she got me back on the last lap. The girl behind came at me time and time again, but each time I upped the pace, she succeeded at one point but I took the place back very quickly. The wind was horrendous, we were calf deep in muck but there was no way in hell I was coming last in OUR cow park!!!

    So that's me done with XC until after Rotterdam now, as one of the lads said, give me a marathon any day over that :D but, as Myles Splits says, XC builds strong marathon runners.. Can't wait to hear how everyone else got on today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Character building is right, massive kudos for running XC in that weather AM.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    tang1 wrote: »
    Character building is right, massive kudos for running XC in that weather AM.

    Thanks B :) it seems I've won a medal too, a very nice surprise i wasn't expecting. All things considered I ran the very best race I could on the day, and very happy to keep the effort level high throughout, great to be part of such a great team :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Firedance wrote: »
    Thanks B :) it seems I've won a medal too, a very nice surprise i wasn't expecting. All things considered I ran the very best race I could on the day, and very happy to keep the effort level high throughout, great to be part of such a great team :)

    Xtra well done on the medal!! I nearly got blown into the Royal Canal on several occasions today but came home muck free thankfully.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    tang1 wrote: »
    Xtra well done on the medal!! I nearly got blown into the Royal Canal on several occasions today but came home muck free thankfully.

    so that's why you wanted me to come with you, you needed a wind blocker :D:D how are you after yesterday? foot ok? no ill affects??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Firedance wrote: »
    so that's why you wanted me to come with you, you needed a wind blocker :D:D how are you after yesterday? foot ok? no ill affects??

    Legs sore, left foot bit sore starting out but loosened out as I went along to be expected after yesterday's race. Hangover didn't help either!! Got the ten miles done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    You deserve a medal for being out in that weather!!! Well done on winning your personal battle!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Survived, wasn't last and got a medal...........sounds like a result!! Well done. I'd say it was tough out there today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Well done, kudos to anyone running x country, especially in mud, wind and rain.
    All reasons to stay at home��


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Mulberry


    Congratulations firedance! GOLD!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Good XC job FD! I was out too this morning and from time to time, I felt like going backwards in the wind. And that was on tarmac!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Have googled "dunboyne cowpark" and it's the actual name! All the top images are of hardy xc runners too :)

    Well done on staying ahead of your challenger, and the team prize.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Have googled "dunboyne cowpark" and it's the actual name! All the top images are of hardy xc runners too :)

    Well done on staying ahead of your challenger, and the team prize.


    ha ha yes, it is! very apt name too as its better suited to animals than humans :p, here's one pic from today, a bit blury but you can see the mud back where my competitor is and the wind blowing the tape to my right here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭kildaremum


    Well done. Good for you for getting out in that weather - you weren't last, you won a medal and you survived intact.


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