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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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    #452
    SaveOurLyric
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Madigan is playing tonight to show he can play 10, it's a trial for him.

    No he isnt. There is no trial going on.
    Joe is not waiting to see how anyone performs to decide first team picks. The game is a high level practice session for Mads to rehearse Schmidt game plays.
    Nothing that happens tonight, other than injuries, will have any effect on the team selected for Roma.


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    #453
    sydthebeat
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    If madigan has a nightmare ttonight, Keatley starts.


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    #454
    phog
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    No he isnt. There is no trial going on.
    Joe is not waiting to see how anyone performs to decide first team picks. The game is a high level practice session for Mads to rehearse Schmidt game plays.
    Nothing that happens tonight, other than injuries, will have any effect on the team selected for Roma.

    So what you're saying is the Joe is set in his ways?


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    #455
    Tox56
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If madigan has a nightmare ttonight, Keatley starts.

    That's the only scenario Keatley starts imo. I think Madigan's in the jersey as it stands, if he is adequate tonight I think he'll start v Italy


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    #456
    CatFromHue
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    No he isnt. There is no trial going on.
    Joe is not waiting to see how anyone performs to decide first team picks. The game is a high level practice session for Mads to rehearse Schmidt game plays.
    Nothing that happens tonight, other than injuries, will have any effect on the team selected for Roma.

    If Madigan has a stinker I can't see Schmidt picking him for Italy. I'd view it as very much a trial game for him as if he plays well he could get the jersey next week, if he doesn't he won't.

    I was actually quite surprised at how much Keatley has played recently. For the last 10 weeks he has played only once less than 70 mins for Munster, all at 10 as well, so it makes sense not to play him tonight if he's going to be in the running for next week.


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    #457
    chupacabra
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    That's the only scenario Keatley starts imo. I think Madigan's in the jersey as it stands, if he is adequate tonight I think he'll start v Italy

    He would have to have an absolute mental breakdown on the field though for Keatley to leap-frog him.


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    #458
    SaveOurLyric
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    phog wrote: »
    So what you're saying is the Joe is set in his ways?

    No, I'm not. Read it again.

    Playing well or badly, the week before a game is the old amateur way of selecting teams.
    The team for Italy is well settled and based on play through the season, training performance, fitness/health, ability to implement Joe's strategy rather than their provincial game, the opposition in prospect, Joes existing analysis of a players strengths and weaknesses.
    Not a one-off game at the eleventh hour.


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    #459
    total former
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    Yeah, I don't think anyone forced their way into the 6N after the Wolfhounds game last season, the team to play Scotland was set in stone. I think it's the same this year.


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    #460
    Interested Observer
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    Fans always put miles too much stock in these 'A' games. There's no way selections are hinging on the performance tonight. I'd be fairly sure Schmidt has his team selected for Italy, it'll be based on performances over the season, performance in the AIs will go a long way towards it, how guys have performed in Europe and the training camps.


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    #461
    vienne86
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Fans always put miles too much stock in these 'A' games. There's no way selections are hinging on the performance tonight. I'd be fairly sure Schmidt has his team selected for Italy, it'll be based on performances over the season, performance in the AIs will go a long way towards it, how guys have performed in Europe and the training camps.

    After tonight, I don't think Joe has his team selected for next week.

    When exactly is Sexton ready to play again?


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    #462
    Hagz
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    All I can say is thank god it's Italy up first.


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    #463
    vienne86
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    Hagz wrote: »
    All I can say is thank god it's Italy up first.

    And France second......which is why I am wondering about Sexton.


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    #464
    Tox56
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    And France second......which is why I am wondering about Sexton.

    They're basically saying he's done everything except contact for weeks now. A week of contact training and he should be ready, his fitness should be excellent and his skills should be sharp. He's not going to forget how to tackle in 12 weeks so I'd bet my house on him playing v France

    The team for Italy will be totally different to the one that played today, I'm not overly worried


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    #465
    vienne86
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    They're basically saying he's done everything except contact for weeks now. A week of contact training and he should be ready, his fitness should be excellent and his skills should be sharp. He's not going to forget how to tackle in 12 weeks so I'd bet my house on him playing v France

    The team for Italy will be totally different to the one that played today, I'm not overly worried

    He was doing everything except contact this morning.....and at one point I thought I saw him in a tackle.


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    #466
    phog
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    Tonight, Boss was way too slow to the ruck and then too ponderous when he got there, some of his passing was worse than Duncan Williams, he made one break but other than that was a step backwards from Marmion, we need a fit Murray if Sexton is missing. We're in bother if both are missing.


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    #467
    Tox56
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    phog wrote: »
    Tonight, Boss was way too slow to the ruck and then too ponderous when he got there, some of his passing was worse than Duncan Williams, he made one break but other than that was a step backwards from Marmion, we need a fit Murray if Sexton is missing. We're in bother if both are missing.

    I actually thought he was an improvement on Marmion who I was a bit disappointed with. Reddan and Murray are the top two pretty clearly a present


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    #468
    .ak
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    I actually thought he was an improvement on Marmion who I was a bit disappointed with. Reddan and Murray are the top two pretty clearly a present

    Yeah boss added direction as soon as he came on. Piss poor service but he got the game going by himself.


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    #469
    Flipper22
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    phog wrote: »
    Tonight, Boss was way too slow to the ruck and then too ponderous when he got there, some of his passing was worse than Duncan Williams, he made one break but other than that was a step backwards from Marmion, we need a fit Murray if Sexton is missing. We're in bother if both are missing.

    Really?! I think you might be seeing what you expected to see a bit there. For me Boss was a clear improvement. Don't get me wrong, he's not great, he can't get around the pitch as quick as he used to. But his passing and kicking were an improvement on Marmion who I was a bit disappointed with tbh.


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    #470
    phog
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    Flipper22 wrote: »
    Really?! I think you might be seeing what you expected to see a bit there. For me Boss was a clear improvement. Don't get me wrong, he's not great, he can't get around the pitch as quick as he used to. But his passing and kicking were an improvement on Marmion who I was a bit disappointed with tbh.

    Some of his passing was too high or too far in front of players which was putting the receiver under pressure and lose some momentum.


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    #471
    irishbucsfan
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    It's just so frustrating that we lost Paddy Jackson and Sexton at the very same time. Such a massively important position. It has me majorly worried ahead of the Italy game, backlines outside Madigan are so ineffective, It's going to put big big pressure on Easterby and the forwards, thankfully Italy's pack are not at all what they used to be.


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    #472
    shuffol
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    I'm a bit concerned by the thought of Payne starting next week. He's only had 2 games back since the S.A. game and both at 15, he hasn't had a convincing showing at 13 all season either. Really hope it'll be a Henshaw/Fitz combo.


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    #473
    duckysauce
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    shuffol wrote: »
    I'm a bit concerned by the thought of Payne starting next week. He's only had 2 games back since the S.A. game and both at 15, he hasn't had a convincing showing at 13 all season either. Really hope it'll be a Henshaw/Fitz combo.

    why would he start ?


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    #474
    vienne86
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    phog wrote: »
    Some of his passing was too high or too far in front of players which was putting the receiver under pressure and lose some momentum.

    I was amazed at how good Boss was last night. I have been one of his main critics - he has been so slow and ponderous, but not last night IMO. He had more zip in him than Marmion, who seemed a little out of his depth.


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    #475
    total former
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    In fairness, that's two weeks in a row Boss has come off the bench and played well.

    The form scrum half in Ireland...


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    #476
    Wang King
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    total former wrote: »
    In fairness, that's two weeks in a row Boss has come off the bench and played well.

    The form scrum half in Ireland...

    Behind Duncan Williams of course !


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    #477
    vienne86
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    total former wrote: »
    In fairness, that's two weeks in a row Boss has come off the bench and played well.

    The form scrum half in Ireland...

    Murray has to start. Particularly with our gap at 10. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Boss on the bench.


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    #478
    stephen_n
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    Boss actually did well last night in the context of his form this season, though he's so ponderous at the base of the ruck he was very lucky not get pinged last night, got a couple of very long 5 seconds after being warned to use it. Marmion got served up ****e ball all night and did well but certainly didn't put his hand up and say pick me. Madigan and Earls in the same backline must be a nightmare for any back three, apart from the hot potato shuffle, did the ball make it out to the wings at all through the backline? We are going to need a massive performance from the pack next week if Madigan starts.


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    #479
    d-gal
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    shuffol wrote: »
    I'm a bit concerned by the thought of Payne starting next week. He's only had 2 games back since the S.A. game and both at 15, he hasn't had a convincing showing at 13 all season either. Really hope it'll be a Henshaw/Fitz combo.


    I don't know how people can keep saying Fitz for centre - you can't trust since he's so injury prone and Henshaw needs a permanent partner which is most likely Payne. Same goes for Earls, he's no way up to speed. Fitz or Earls for the no.23 spot but no way they should start. Let them finish the season and if they stay injury free then consider pushing a spot for the starting 15.

    Fitz also has a lot to prove on the international stage - he's never done anything spectacular or lived up to the hype. Earls has to an extent I suppose - his try scoring recorded is impressive


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    #480
    Flipper22
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    d-gal wrote: »
    I don't know how people can keep saying Fitz for centre - you can't trust since he's so injury prone and Henshaw needs a permanent partner which is most likely Payne. Same goes for Earls, he's no way up to speed. Fitz or Earls for the no.23 spot but no way they should start. Let them finish the season and if they stay injury free then consider pushing a spot for the starting 15.

    Fitz also has a lot to prove on the international stage - he's never done anything spectacular or lived up to the hype. Earls has to an extent I suppose - his try scoring recorded is impressive

    Fitz lived up to the hype right through 2009 as a 21 year old.


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    #481
    .ak
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    Yeah Fitz has certainly lived up to his reputation on the international stage. He's just been unlucky with his timings of injury, but over the past 18 months he's been playing his best rugby. He's been Leinsters best back in Europe two years in a row despite missing chunks due to injury.


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