Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Will I Amnt

zerks wrote: »

Fergie's signings from 2007-2012,some serious dross in there amongst the few gems.


2007
Owen Hargreaves: £17m from Bayern Munich
Anderson: £20m from Porto
Nani: £21m from Sporting Lisbon
Tomasz Kuszczak: Undisc from West Brom
Carlos Tevez: £20m from West Ham

2008
Manucho: Undisc from Petro Atletico
Rafael: Undisc from Fluminense
Fabio: Undisc from Fluminense
Rodrigo Possebon: Undisc from Internacional
Dimitar Berbatov: £30m from Tottenham

2009
Zoran Tosic: Undisc from Partizan
Paul Pogba: Undisc from Le Havre (can't really call him a bad signing, can we?)
Ritchie De Laet: Undisc from Stoke
Antonio Valencia: £16m from Wigan
Michael Owen: Free from Newcastle United
Gabriel Obertan: £3m from Bordeaux
Mame Diouf: Undisc from Molde

2010
Bebe: £7.4m from Vitoria de Guimaraes
Chris Smalling: £10m from Fulham
Javier Hernandez: Undisc from Guadalajara

2011
Anders Lindegaard: £3.5m from Aalesund
Phil Jones: £16.5m from Blackburn Rovers
Ashley Young: £17m from Aston Villa
David de Gea: £19m from Atletico Madrid

2012
Nick Powell: £6m from Crewe
Shinji Kagawa: £12m from Borussia Dortmund
Robin van Persie: £24m from Arsenal
Angelo Henriquez: Undisc from Universidad de Chile
Alexander Buttner: Undisc from Vitesse
Wilfried Zaha: Undisc from Crystal Palace

There's only 1 player there that you could call a reasonably long term success and that's only if he signs a new contract...
The rest are either total sh*t, didn't work out, not good enough or one season wonders.

beno619

beno619 wrote: »

Scoring a few goal doesn't mean he was immense, Rooney is a poor #10/midfielder.

It's nothing to do with the goals, he was everywhere, his passing was better, his movement was better and the team overall were better with Rooney there.

bangkok

zerks wrote: »

Fergie's signings from 2007-2012,some serious dross in there amongst the few gems.


2007
Owen Hargreaves: £17m from Bayern Munich
Anderson: £20m from Porto
Nani: £21m from Sporting Lisbon
Tomasz Kuszczak: Undisc from West Brom
Carlos Tevez: £20m from West Ham

2008
Manucho: Undisc from Petro Atletico
Rafael: Undisc from Fluminense
Fabio: Undisc from Fluminense
Rodrigo Possebon: Undisc from Internacional
Dimitar Berbatov: £30m from Tottenham

2009
Zoran Tosic: Undisc from Partizan
Paul Pogba: Undisc from Le Havre (can't really call him a bad signing, can we?)
Ritchie De Laet: Undisc from Stoke
Antonio Valencia: £16m from Wigan
Michael Owen: Free from Newcastle United
Gabriel Obertan: £3m from Bordeaux
Mame Diouf: Undisc from Molde

2010
Bebe: £7.4m from Vitoria de Guimaraes
Chris Smalling: £10m from Fulham
Javier Hernandez: Undisc from Guadalajara

2011
Anders Lindegaard: £3.5m from Aalesund
Phil Jones: £16.5m from Blackburn Rovers
Ashley Young: £17m from Aston Villa
David de Gea: £19m from Atletico Madrid

2012
Nick Powell: £6m from Crewe
Shinji Kagawa: £12m from Borussia Dortmund
Robin van Persie: £24m from Arsenal
Angelo Henriquez: Undisc from Universidad de Chile
Alexander Buttner: Undisc from Vitesse
Wilfried Zaha: Undisc from Crystal Palace

hindsight is a great thing

Your Airbag

A Spanish paper is now reporting that DDG has renewed with UTD

Hopefully there not just repeating the Italian story

FortuneChip

Will I Amnt wrote: »

There's only 1 player there that you could call a reasonably long term success and that's only if he signs a new contract...
The rest are either total sh*t, didn't work out, not good enough or one season wonders.

Ah now, Paul Pogba looks like he'll be a long term success; geographical issue notwithstanding.

Will I Amnt

FortuneChip wrote: »

Ah now, Paul Pogba looks like he'll be a long term success; geographical issue notwithstanding.

Yep, file that under the "didn't work out" section I mentioned.

TheDoc

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

Exactly!

An entire article written based on the fact we have a higher percentage than most teams of backwards passes, yet little gets said about the fact the "runaway" leaders that everyone has been raving about all season has an even higher percentage.

Lazy journalism is all that is really.

Was that by Ogden? Noticed he's got tetchy last few months with United. Get the feeling he has the hump as he lost all the exclusives he was getting.

Cantona's Collars

bangkok wrote: »

hindsight is a great thing

I reckon a lot were bought with "sell on potential",many we just had to give away.At least now we are seeing some proven talent coming into the club.

We all had a laugh at Woodward last season,but I reckon 99% of it was due to Moyes dithering over transfers.Woodward could hardly sanction spending if bids weren't being made due to a manager doing 20 + scouting missions on players and delaying so long that there was no time to even work on a transfer.

Lord TSC

Your Airbag wrote: »

Rooney/Falcao > Rooney/RVP imo but Mata as a no 10 > Rooney as a no 10, so it is a tricky one.

It all depends on where LVG see's the team going next year and what formation he settles on.

WallyGUFC wrote: »

I'd prefer RVP gone and Rooney up front with Falcao. RVP must be getting a decent wedge too.

Tbh, I don't see why we're tied to the idea of 2 up front. 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 would be how I'd like to see us going forward long term.

Personally, I'd love Falcao up front with DiMaria one side and a new winger the other, have Mata in the #10 and then two mids behind them, be it Herrera/Fel or some other signings. I'd happily see Rooney and RVP moved on and their wages reinvested in better ways.

Lord TSC

Rumours circulating that we've made an offer for Cuadardo now; €29m and Januzaj on loan for 18 months.

magnumbud

Lord TSC wrote: »

Rumours circulating that we've made an offer for Cuadardo now; €29m and Januzaj on loan for 18 months.

everywhere i have seen this it seems to point to a permanent move for januzaj. given how much potential the lad has i would be ok with a loan but not letting him go for good


EDIT: just found the original story from italy and it says loan alright

Spazdarn

We should be in for him, doubt we actually are though.

Ordinary man

Rooney is one of the few players at united that can create or score even if he's having a bad game, madness to let him go. He should play up front and even if he drops back it would create space for di maria, mata and others.

Cantona's Collars

Lord TSC wrote: »

Rumours circulating that we've made an offer for Cuadardo now; €29m and Januzaj on loan for 18 months.

SSN saying they rejected Chelsea's bid and said the selling price is the full amount of the buyout clause of £26.8 million.
Our supposed offer would match that with Januzaj on loan as a sweetener.

Lord TSC

Ordinary man wrote: »

Rooney is one of the few players at united that can create or score even if he's having a bad game, madness to let him go. He should play up front and even if he drops back it would create space for di maria, mata and others.

Utterly disagree. When Rooney has a bad game, he has an utter stinker. When he's having an ok game, he can create a moment of magic, but since he's being jammed into positions he shouldn't be, he's also struggling to do well. He's grown way to fond of trying Hollywood passes to the wings, many of which get intercepted, and has a habit of bypassing other midfielders and No 10s as well.

If we're not going to play him as a striker, he shouldn't be getting on the teamsheet by default and unbalancing the team. And it's pretty obvious that three managers now have not seen him as a first choice striker for whatever reason....

yabadabado

Is Cuadrado's best position RW ?
What way would United line up to accommodate him?
4231 with an front 4 of Cuadrado,Rooney,ADM and Falcao/RVP .

bangkok

would love to see this team start on Saturday and win 5-0

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Rafael

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Jones

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Rojo

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Shaw

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Carrick

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Herrera

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Di Maria

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Mata

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Rooney

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Falcao

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Vic Vinegar

yabadabado wrote: »

Is Cuadrado's best position RW ?
What way would United line up to accommodate him?
4231 with an front 4 of Cuadrado,Rooney,ADM and Falcao/RVP .

I think he can play RW or LW, also RWB.

Montroseee

yabadabado wrote: »

Is Cuadrado's best position RW ?
What way would United line up to accommodate him?
4231 with an front 4 of Cuadrado,Rooney,ADM and Falcao/RVP .

Cuadrado will be the RWB.

bangkok

we wont have to worry about where Cuadrado will be playing anyway as he wont be playing for us

TheDoc

Have to say would be surprised if we made a signing before close of window.

bullvine

bangkok wrote: »

would love to see this team start on Saturday and win 5-0

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Rafael

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Jones

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Rojo

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Shaw

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Carrick

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Herrera

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Di Maria

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Mata

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Rooney

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Falcao

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Got to be the best team currently available to us!

Your Airbag

Rooneys still our best player and has been for a while. If you do the whole when he's good and when he's stink ratings then the whole squad comes off as poor bar DDG and most of them come off a lot worse than Rooney.

One of the best in the EPL. Under no circumstances should he be let go.

Ordinary man

Lord TSC wrote: »

Utterly disagree. When Rooney has a bad game, he has an utter stinker. When he's having an ok game, he can create a moment of magic, but since he's being jammed into positions he shouldn't be, he's also struggling to do well. He's grown way to fond of trying Hollywood passes to the wings, many of which get intercepted, and has a habit of bypassing other midfielders and No 10s as well.

If we're not going to play him as a striker, he shouldn't be getting on the teamsheet by default and unbalancing the team. And it's pretty obvious that three managers now have not seen him as a first choice striker for whatever reason....

It was understandable that rooney was shifted about when rvp was firing and there was a lack of midfield options but not now. It falls under the list of things lvg does that i just don't get like playing 3 at the back and luping the ball, keeping herrera on the bench and playing valencia instead of rafael

Vic Vinegar

Your Airbag wrote: »

Rooneys still our best player and has been for a while. If you do the whole when he's good and when he's stink ratings then the whole squad comes off as poor bar DDG and most of them come off a lot worse than Rooney.

One of the best in the EPL. Under no circumstances should he be let go.

I agree, he should be played up front however. It's to the detriment of the team playing him in midfield when there's far better options there.

Winston Payne

That's a horrendous deal for Cuadrado if we've offered it. You can wave Januzaj goodbye if he's off for eighteen months, something I don't want us to do

Cantona's Collars

Winston Payne wrote: »

That's a horrendous deal for Cuadrado if we've offered it. You can wave Januzaj goodbye if he's off for eighteen months, something I don't want us to do

It's better than some of the deals we do,a loan is the best option.One half decent season had us raving about Januzaj-he's not taken his chances this term and a loan might improve him no end.Better than loaning him out to a Championship side.
Another positive is that it might see the end of Valencia on the right,breaks my heart watching attacks die on that side of the field.

bucketybuck

zerks wrote: »

It's better than some of the deals we do,a loan is the best option.One half decent season had us raving about Januzaj-he's not taken his chances this term and a loan might improve him no end.Better than loaning him out to a Championship side.
Another positive is that it might see the end of Valencia on the right,breaks my heart watching attacks die on that side of the field.

As long as we remember to tie him down to a long term deal before he goes, don't want him doing well only to come back in two years for the last 6 months of his contract! Wonder how long his current deal lasts?

And I've said my piece on Valencia numerous times, that he can be so consistently poor for years on end yet still play 30+ times a season speaks more than anything to the slipping standards in the club.

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

As long as we remember to tie him down to a long term deal before he goes, don't want him doing well only to come back in two years for the last 6 months of his contract! Wonder how long his current deal lasts?

And I've said my piece on Valencia numerous times, that he can be so consistently poor for years on end yet still play 30+ times a season speaks more than anything to the slipping standards in the club.

he is signed up until 2018

Will I Amnt

Januzaj to Fiorentina on loan would be a brilliant move, he's not quite there yet to be starting for United and could really do with game time at this stage of his career. Can't see the Cuadrado deal happening anyway so it's probably irrelevant.