Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Whatsisname

The fact it shows Rooney at £300k a week shows it's untrue

The Moldy Gowl

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Man United wages revealed... by somebody... that's probably guessing...

My company regularly release my confidential information, even breaks down my monthly salary into weekly because they are sound like that

Don't yours?



Id like to see how much tax they pay.

Cantona's Collars

Dunno about the validity but hopefully it's true.

bangkok

well Man Utd now have the biggest wage bill in England so id say them figures are correct

Julez

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah. The sports bible get access to confidential information.

But... but, there is a United crest in the corner... it must be official?

:pac:

bangkok

Whatsisname wrote: »

The fact it shows Rooney at £300k a week shows it's untrue

http://www.independent.ie/sport/wayne-rooney-and-the-top-10-highest-earning-players-in-world-football-30033217.html

Pro. F

bangkok wrote: »

well Man Utd now have the biggest wage bill in England so id say them figures are correct

Worst. Logic. Ever.

Whatsisname

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/wayne-rooney-and-the-top-10-highest-earning-players-in-world-football-30033217.html

Its £250k a week, earning up to £50k for image rights.

Blatter

Well the Shaw figure is one that's almost certainly incorrect. It was widely reported that his wage was ~£100k/week.

Mourinho even chimed in about it and I doubt we'd see that if Shaw was on only £50k/week.

fatherted1969

Hulk Hands wrote: »

The current squad is easily good enough for top 4. We are top 4 at the moment after a ridiculous run of injuries, we should get there comfortably with any sort of normal luck along the way.

I'd say that as United fans we should be hoping for far more, that simply making Champions League isnt good enough and in that sense i hope we strengthen. But if top 4 is simply the aim this year, then it'll be the players and LVG's fault if we dont get there. The squad provided by Woodword and the board is easily good enough to achieve that task

I think we used up all this seasons and next seasons luck during our unbeaten run before xmas. Were you not watching ?

Anyhoo I think its becoming fairly obvious now that Rooney RVP Falcao and Mata cannot play in a 11. Some hard decisions have to be made and if it means some of our flair players are out in place of a more workmanlike midfield then so be it. Our defence is continually exposed and everyone is slating them and the midfield is getting off scot free.

bangkok

Whatsisname wrote: »

Its £250k a week, earning up to £50k for image rights.

where does it mention image rights?

another article from the very reliable BBC..

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26246939

Your Airbag

fatherted1969 wrote: »

I think we used up all this seasons and next seasons luck during our unbeaten run before xmas. Were you not watching ?

Anyhoo I think its becoming fairly obvious now that Rooney RVP Falcao and Mata cannot play in a 11. Some hard decisions have to be made and if it means some of our flair players are out in place of a more workmanlike midfield then so be it. Our defence is continually exposed and everyone is slating them and the midfield is getting off scot free.

If I had to pick its bye bye RVP, Mata being the next in line for the chop.

Lord TSC

Your Airbag wrote: »

If I had to pick its bye bye RVP, Mata being the next in line for the chop.

Can I start beating my "Rooney is a big problem" drum again? :pac:

So long as Rooney is having to be crammed into positions he's not suited for, we're going to have problems. Would happily see him moved on and his wages used to pay for players who are naturals in midfield and CAM.

Whatsisname

bangkok wrote: »

where does it mention image rights?

another article from the very reliable BBC..

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26246939

Nevermind the £50k image rights, it says he gets taxed £140k, so there ya go

Your Airbag

Lord TSC wrote: »

Can I start beating my "Rooney is a big problem" drum again? :pac:

So long as Rooney is having to be crammed into positions he's not suited for, we're going to have problems. Would happily see him moved on and his wages used to pay for players who are naturals in midfield and CAM.

Rooney/Falcao > Rooney/RVP imo but Mata as a no 10 > Rooney as a no 10, so it is a tricky one.

It all depends on where LVG see's the team going next year and what formation he settles on.

WallyGUFC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Can I start beating my "Rooney is a big problem" drum again? :pac:

So long as Rooney is having to be crammed into positions he's not suited for, we're going to have problems. Would happily see him moved on and his wages used to pay for players who are naturals in midfield and CAM.

I'd prefer RVP gone and Rooney up front with Falcao. RVP must be getting a decent wedge too.

Your Airbag

Your Airbag wrote: »

Rooney/Falcao > Rooney/RVP imo but Mata as a no 10 > Rooney as a no 10, so it is a tricky one.

It all depends on where LVG see's the team going next year and what formation he settles on.

Rooney was immense from behind the striker earlier in the season. Mata was not.

bangkok

Whatsisname wrote: »

Nevermind the £50k image rights, it says he gets taxed £140k, so there ya go

yea but Man Utd are paying him 300k a week........

bucketybuck

Even accepting that the figures from the earlier link are probably not accurate, paying Rooney, RVP and Falcao all £200,000+ is another example of how terrible our squad planning has been this past 4/5 years. There's definitely diminishing returns in having 3 world class strikers instead of only having the two, especially considering how many tens of millions we have to spend to get that 3rd striker in permanently.

We had two world class strikers and a very capable supporting cast in Hernandez and Wellbeck, spending money on Falcao was a complete waste even without considering our problems in other areas. Hopefully we see sense and don't compound the error by paying another £45m for him in the summer.

The Moldy Gowl

Oppurtunity cost is the word you are looking buck.

It's the alternative use for x amout being spent. I have 10 euro. I can either buy 8 cans of Bavaria or a Chinese.

Diminishing marginal returns is I'll get less benefit from each additional item.

bangkok

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/analysis-why-manchester-united-are-going-backwards-under-louis-van-gaal-literally-30944734.html

more shocking stats

bucketybuck

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Oppurtunity cost is the word you are looking buck.

It's the alternative use for x amout being spent. I have 10 euro. I can either buy 8 cans of Bavaria or a Chinese.

Diminishing marginal returns is I'll get less benefit from each additional item.

No, not opportunity cost, though that applies as well, but for my point I meant diminishing returns.

Two world class strikers will get us X goals per year.

Three world class strikers will still only get us X goals per year.

Add a 4th WC striker and we will still only get X goals per year.

If we had no strikers Falcao would bring a good return. If we only had one striker Falcao would be less important but still a good buy. When we already have 2 WC strikers we don't need what he brings at all. Its still the same player, but he brings us less in each instance. Diminishing returns.

chupacabra

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/analysis-why-manchester-united-are-going-backwards-under-louis-van-gaal-literally-30944734.html

more shocking stats

Shocking? Sensationalist journalism at its finest.

beno619

Liam O wrote: »

Rooney was immense from behind the striker earlier in the season. Mata was not.

Scoring a few goal doesn't mean he was immense, Rooney is a poor #10/midfielder.

bangkok

chupacabra wrote: »

Shocking? Sensationalist journalism at its finest.

have you not seen us this season?! we have been rubbish, the stats just back up the claim

Cantona's Collars

Preston/Sheffield United vs Cambridge/ Manchester United - 7.45pm Monday 16th February (live on BBC1)

Fooking Monday night,stupid tv schedules. (Although if the performance is like the last 2 FA Cup ties,I think I'd prefer to be in work than watching it)

The Moldy Gowl

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, not opportunity cost, though that applies as well, but for my point I meant diminishing returns.

Two world class strikers will get us X goals per year.

Three world class strikers will still only get us X goals per year.

Add a 4th WC striker and we will still only get X goals per year.

If we had no strikers Falcao would bring a good return. If we only had one striker Falcao would be less important but still a good buy. When we already have 2 WC strikers we don't need what he brings at all. Its still the same player, but he brings us less in each instance. Diminishing returns.

I get you.

I don't think we can simplify soccer into economic equations.


Unfortunely

Cantona's Collars

Fergie's signings from 2007-2012,some serious dross in there amongst the few gems.


2007
Owen Hargreaves: £17m from Bayern Munich
Anderson: £20m from Porto
Nani: £21m from Sporting Lisbon
Tomasz Kuszczak: Undisc from West Brom
Carlos Tevez: £20m from West Ham

2008
Manucho: Undisc from Petro Atletico
Rafael: Undisc from Fluminense
Fabio: Undisc from Fluminense
Rodrigo Possebon: Undisc from Internacional
Dimitar Berbatov: £30m from Tottenham

2009
Zoran Tosic: Undisc from Partizan
Paul Pogba: Undisc from Le Havre (can't really call him a bad signing, can we?)
Ritchie De Laet: Undisc from Stoke
Antonio Valencia: £16m from Wigan
Michael Owen: Free from Newcastle United
Gabriel Obertan: £3m from Bordeaux
Mame Diouf: Undisc from Molde

2010
Bebe: £7.4m from Vitoria de Guimaraes
Chris Smalling: £10m from Fulham
Javier Hernandez: Undisc from Guadalajara

2011
Anders Lindegaard: £3.5m from Aalesund
Phil Jones: £16.5m from Blackburn Rovers
Ashley Young: £17m from Aston Villa
David de Gea: £19m from Atletico Madrid

2012
Nick Powell: £6m from Crewe
Shinji Kagawa: £12m from Borussia Dortmund
Robin van Persie: £24m from Arsenal
Angelo Henriquez: Undisc from Universidad de Chile
Alexander Buttner: Undisc from Vitesse
Wilfried Zaha: Undisc from Crystal Palace

chupacabra

bangkok wrote: »

have you not seen us this season?! we have been rubbish, the stats just back up the claim

QPR have made far more non-backwards passes than us this season yet are second from bottom and Chelsea have made MORE backwards passes than us and are top. Meaningless statistics.

KombuchaMshroom

chupacabra wrote: »

Shocking? Sensationalist journalism at its finest.

Exactly!

An entire article written based on the fact we have a higher percentage than most teams of backwards passes, yet little gets said about the fact the "runaway" leaders that everyone has been raving about all season has an even higher percentage.

Lazy journalism is all that is really.