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Black Monday

  • 29-12-2014 12:04am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Heads will be rolling tomorrow.

    Looks like the following are gone(some definitely are):
    Mike Smith - Falcons
    Rex Ryan - Jets
    Jim Haurbaugh - 49ers
    Marc Trestman - Bears

    There could well be a surprise in there as well, not sure who it would be though. Anyone on the list who you'd keep or anyone who you think should be fired? Philbin, Jay Gruden and Tom Coughlin are all supposedly safe despite pretty iffy seasons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,071 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Perry Fewell Giants DC needs to be gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SameOleJay


    OBJ has saved Coughlin. Single-handedly. Forgive the terrible pun.

    I would say Tannehill's progress has saved Philbin. And the fact no respected coach would touch the Redskins with a pole saves Gruden.

    The four you've listed are gone though. Smith is the only outside hope of staying. I do feel sorry for him because Dimitrov has made a dog's dinner of that roster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Mike Smith threw away a victory against the Browns with horrendous time management ^^^ The owner watching upstairs. I can't see anyway he survives Black Monday


    Rob Ryan Saints DC must be on thin ice. His defense is horrendous and we've seen himself and Sean Payton bickering on the sidelines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SameOleJay


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Rob Ryan Saints DC must be on thin ice

    His defense is horrendous and we've seen himself and Sean Payton bickering on the sidelines

    Interesting off season for the Saints.

    Phrase gets thrown around a lot but they really are in cap hell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    You can probably add Aaron Kromer to that list...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SameOleJay


    You'd need a thesis to list all the assistants under threat. Not worth the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    I think there could be quite a few HC jobs vacant over the next few days - and the potential candidates are quite thin on the ground.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Must be about time for Jon Gruden to haggle another big contract from ESPN so ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    If Coughlin isn't fired then Perry Fewell should be fired. Preferably the two would be fired tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    The Ryan twins will find work fairly quickly, as Co-ordinators. Rex is dead meat as far as a HC vacancy is concerned. Jim Harbaugh wouldn't be too worried either. He can choose from Michigan or the Raiders. Possibly the Bears as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    The Ryan twins will find work fairly quickly, as Co-ordinators. Rex is dead meat as far as a HC vacancy is concerned. Jim Harbaugh wouldn't be too worried either. He can choose from Michigan or the Raiders. Possibly the Bears as well.

    Rumours that Shanahan is lining up the Bears vacancy.

    I would expect Rex to land in Denver as DC if Del Rio gets the Raiders (or other) job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Straylight


    Rex has gone on record as saying he wouldn't be interested in returning to a DC job. He mightn't have much choice tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Rex ain't getting another NFL HC gig for a while. He needs to rid himself of that notion PDQ. Unless he wants to take a shot at college, then it's either DC or sit his backside down!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    And we're off and running!. Harbaugh has left the 49ers...

    EDIT. Just heard Harbaugh's apparently off to Michigan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    A quick stat: Jeff Fischer has 16 full seasons as an NFL head coach and only 6 winning seasons.

    Yet he is never ever mentioned as being on the chopping block.

    I don't know how he keeps his stock so high, the media and his owners must love him!

    I think he's a good coach, certainly not a bad coach but you could say he's overrated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,780 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Dear **** I hope someone gives dom capers a look for a HC job


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    There are a lot of highly rated college coaches that could be ready to make the jump to the NFL.

    David Shaw, Kevin Sumlin, Brian Kelly, and Jim Mora Jr. are the ones to watch, and potentially Gus Malzahn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Rex ain't getting another NFL HC gig for a while. He needs to rid himself of that notion PDQ. Unless he wants to take a shot at college, then it's either DC or sit his backside down!


    I'd easily take him as the Raiders head coach and if I was owner of the Falcons he'd be one of the first names I'd call.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    I'd easily take him as the Raiders coach and if I was owner of the Falcons he'd be one of the first names I'd call.

    As a DC, I assume?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    A quick stat: Jeff Fischer has 16 full seasons as an NFL head coach and only 6 winning seasons.

    Yet he is never ever mentioned as being on the chopping block.

    I don't know how he keeps his stock so high, the media and his owners must love him!

    I think he's a good coach, certainly not a bad coach but you could say he's overrated

    I'm not sure either as his teams play dirty and play rubbish football. Only Fischer would get involved with Gregg Williams....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    As a DC, I assume?


    No, head coach. There aren't many better head coach candidates in the NFL at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭tripperman


    i think rex will turn up at the raiders, wouldnt bet on many of the saints staff staying put, bears be interesting who would want to work with cutler or is he out the door to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭nasty_crash


    rex ryan and idzik gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    I keep checking Twitter in the vain hope that Stephen Ross has seen sense, reversed his decision and fired Philbin.

    Unfortunately, another year of Dolphin mediocrity awaits.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Vic Fangio has expressed an interest in the HC job at the 49ers. to my mind he's the best DC in the league. I hope he stays in that position, I feel the 49ers need an offensive minded HC. To have the 5th ranked defense given the injuries he has had to deal with is nothing short of phenomenal.

    Jim Tomsula is the other potential in house candidate and whoever the 49ers select I hope those 2 guys are part of the setup.

    I wouldn't be hugely disappointed with either guy getting the job but they would need a very strong offensive coordinator I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    The is a major issue in that many of the obvious HC candidates are coordinators for playoffs teams and are off limits until their season is over. This always creates a panic among team owners who start to scramble once one gets hired.

    I expect that many owners will look to college HCs because there are so few HC candidates in the NFL who appear capable of doing the job.

    Harbaugh to Michigan has been on the cards all season - Harbaugh is a control freak and most owners are unwilling to give that power to HCs anymore (one reason why McDaniels will struggle to get a HC job).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    FAIL from the Detroit Free Pass.

    attachment.php?attachmentid=2491&d=1419862699

    http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2014-12-29/jim-harbaugh-detroit-free-press-prints-brother-john-front-page-michigan-coaching-job-49ers-ravens

    They have acknowledged their mistake on twitter
    Freep SportsVerified account
    @freepsports
    We've got a serious "Case of the Mondays." Our deepest apologies, folks. We'll have the right one tomorrow, promise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,801 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Mike smith fired by the Falcons. Breaking news on nfl network.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SameOleJay


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Vic Fangio has expressed an interest in the HC job at the 49ers. to my mind he's the best DC in the league. I hope he stays in that position, I feel the 49ers need an offensive minded HC. To have the 5th ranked defense given the injuries he has had to deal with is nothing short of phenomenal.

    Jim Tomsula is the other potential in house candidate and whoever the 49ers select I hope those 2 guys are part of the setup.

    I wouldn't be hugely disappointed with either guy getting the job but they would need a very strong offensive coordinator I think.

    Fangio hasn't had his dues this year. With that Offense and the injuries on D that team had no right to be competitive. Amazing effort by him. With Smith gone (I think?), I'd imagine keeping him in some capacity is even more important.

    Bear's GM Emery gone btw.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,801 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Mark trestman is reported to have been fired by the Bears aswell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,083 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Mark trestman is reported to have been fired by the Bears aswell.

    Happy birthday to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,801 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    @SportsCenter: THIS JUST IN: Michigan tells boosters Jim Harbaugh has deal to become next head coach. (via ESPN's @AdamSchefter) http://t.co/8dQpO7jhAR

    Well I doubt they would do that if it wasn't a done deal.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Orton retires!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Denver may do a Cincinnati and lose both their coordinators
    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 30m30 minutes ago
    Look for Jack Del Rio to emerge in OAK, ATL to contact Rex, SF to approach Jim Mora several teams request Adam Gase. M. Shanahan wants Chi


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Bears GM Phil Emery fired as well. I take it that's mainly because of the Cutler contract? His last two first round draft picks have been Kyle Fuller and Kyle Long, which both seem like excellent picks. What's the rest of his drafts been like?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,952 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Think Rex would be the perfect fit for Falcons. They need a strong personality, His defence has always been in the top 10 with Revis been the only guy everyone knew and he finally would an offence with talent on it with Ryan, White and Jones


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Bears GM Phil Emery fired as well. I take it that's mainly because of the Cutler contract? His last two first round draft picks have been Kyle Fuller and Kyle Long, which both seem like excellent picks. What's the rest of his drafts been like?

    Fairly decent. He drafted Alshorn Jeffery and Martellus Bennett amongst others. Think he also drafted Forte.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Fairly decent. He drafted Alshorn Jeffery and Martellus Bennett amongst others. Think he also drafted Forte.

    Bennett was drafted 6 years ago by the Cowboys...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Peter King touting that the Jets are interested in Baltimore assistant GM Eric DeCosta for their top job

    Hands off! :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Martellus Bennett was a FA signing, bit of a disappointing journeyman which they turned into a pretty good TE...good signing.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Forte was drafted in 2008 too, well before Emery's time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    He drafted Shea McClellin in the first round. So there's that. He did do a good job in bringing in Marshall and Jeffery for Cutler. It was the other side of the ball that was the problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    I think Rex has a chance to be a good HC but i think he needs some time off to reflect on the mistakes he made as tbh. If he goes straight into another job, he wont change and he'll fail again.

    I dont think people give Rex enough "credit" for the shambles the Jets were. His bravado with the media which worked well for him at the start of his time at the Jets worked well for him but it came back to bite him in the ass as soon a a little adversity began to creep in.

    A typical example is the drama and confusion he caused all through training camp with seesawing of Geno is our starter, Vick is just a backup...no wait, there is open competition for QB1...no wait there isn't...and so on.

    He crippled the potential of the most important position in Football. Sanchez and Smith never really stood a chance under Rex. Rex needs to figure out how to handle the QB position and offense in general better before he can be a HC again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,083 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    His drafts have been a mixed bag, biggest mistake was probably McClellin, best was probably Long. His FA signings have been alright, best was probably Willie Young. Has tended to rely on aging free agents although he wasn't helped by the drafting of his predecessor. The things everyone can agree he made a balls of are the Cutler contract and, to my mind a far far bigger problem, coaching hires. Looked past Arians because he wanted to force Marinelli on him as DC, then hired trestman, which was an absolutely massive gamble, lost Marinelli anyway, and then picked up Tucker, DeCamillis, and Kromer. The players have repeatedly said in the last while that the trust was gone in the team after the Kromer saga, and ultimately that was on Emery. The team can't function again under him, and given Arians apparent scepticism about him, it's hard to see why any top coach would want to work with him again anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,551 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Bears GM Phil Emery fired as well. I take it that's mainly because of the Cutler contract? His last two first round draft picks have been Kyle Fuller and Kyle Long, which both seem like excellent picks. What's the rest of his drafts been like?

    There are a lot of reasons and Jay isn't even in the top 3, despite what the national media might want people to think.

    Trestman, his hire, completely flopped and lost the locker room a long time ago. Trestman's coaching hires have been a complete disaster on D and ST. There is also the thing with Aaron Kromer and all that falls back on the GM.

    His free agency acquisitions to fix the defense this season flopped (Apart from Willie Young, who was a great pickup). But to be honest, with Mel Tucker coaching them it was never going to work. I have never seen a DC as bad as he is.

    He refused to force decisions on Trestman and was too hands-offish. Mel Tucker should never have kept his job after how our D played last season and he should never have made it to the end of this season either.

    I would put Jay's contract as the 4th black mark, just ahead of his decision to draft Shay McClellin at pick 19 in 2012 and his stubbornness to admit his error and cut him.

    He did a lot of good. We had no WRs or O-line before him. He traded for Brandon Marshall, drafted Alshon, Kyle Long, Kyle Fuller and signed Martellus Bennett, who has had the 2 best years of his career in Chicago. Overall, he had more success in 3 drafts and FAs than his predecessor Jerry Angelo had in 10.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    Hazys wrote: »
    Martellus Bennett was a FA signing, bit of a disappointing journeyman which they turned into a pretty good TE...good signing.

    That's not really accurate. Looked excellent initially at the Cowboys but mentally he went off the rail after the early hype. Joined the Giants and was excellent and has been very good for the Bears too.

    Not what you would call a journeyman tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    glued wrote: »
    That's not really accurate. Looked excellent initially at the Cowboys but mentally he went off the rail after the early hype. Joined the Giants and was excellent and has been very good for the Bears too.

    Not what you would call a journeyman tbh.

    Depends on your definition of journeyman i guess.

    He was average at best for the Cowboys tho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Peter King touting that the Jets are interested in Baltimore assistant GM Eric DeCosta for their top job

    Hands off! :mad:

    I remember saying the same thing a few years ago when he was linked to somewhere else and I think you told me that he won't leave as his family are settled in Baltimore and he's nailed on to replace Ozzie whenever that time comes.

    From 2013 - http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/02/01/taunton-decosta-driving-from-shadows-for-ravens/awjki2v5nvaJ0404NeZV5L/story.html
    NEW ORLEANS — Eric DeCosta could have his own NFL kingdom by now. Any one of them. His choice.

    Going on three offseasons now, NFL owners have requested permission to interview the Ravens’ assistant general manager to run the football side of their franchises.

    Each time he has said no. DeCosta, 41, is content to be general-manager-in-waiting of the Ravens behind Ozzie Newsome, who, at 56, said he has no plans to retire.

    “It would probably benefit [DeCosta] to be here and be a part of a Super Bowl than to be out there struggling with some 3-13 team, you know?” Newsome said. “You don’t keep jobs very long. At some point I am going to walk away and he’ll have this and everything will already be in place for him. That transition is going to be seamless, but it will be good for him.”

    Many in DeCosta’s position would not make the same choice with millions being thrown at him. But those that know DeCosta best back home in the blue-collar down of Taunton aren’t surprised.

    “There’s two things you need to know about Eric DeCosta,” said John Monteiro of Dighton, who met DeCosta in middle school. “He’s extremely hard working and he’s extremely loyal.

    “At my job, a lot of people follow him and they ask me all the time, ‘Is he going to leave?’ No way. He’ll never leave. He’s not going anywhere. He’s loyal to that team, they gave him his first big shot. I know how he is.”

    Hard working and loyal. Sounds a lot like Taunton, known as the Silver City for the many silversmiths it used to boast south of Boston.

    “People had to work hard to build a life for themselves,” said DeCosta as he sat in the Ravens’ team hotel. “I think I learned a work ethic from just growing up there, seeing people work.”

    DeCosta’s grandfather worked long hours in the silver industry. Both his parents worked full-time jobs. His father, Joe, worked in the fastener industry in Providence and Fall River, while his mother, Donna, was a bank teller.

    DeCosta spent his free time playing every single sport with the neighborhood boys just down the street from Taunton High School. He could hear the football public address announcer through the trees on Friday nights and dreamed of being an NFL player. They don’t grow many slow NFL players at 5 feet 9 inches, but DeCosta was good enough to be an all-conference end and fullback at Taunton, and captain at Colby College as a linebacker.

    What would DeCosta, the personnel executive, say about DeCosta, the football prospect?

    “He’d probably say he was an instinctive player, but he was a reject physically,” DeCosta said. “I was an overachieving, try-hard guy who made a lot of plays. I couldn’t run and I wasn’t big. That’s not a good combination for a linebacker.”

    But DeCosta still wanted to be in the game. So that meant while many of his college classmates graduated and took jobs on Wall Street or went to medical school, DeCosta became a graduate assistant at Trinity College. That put him onto the radar of a young Redskins scout named Scott Cohen, who is now the Jets’ assistant general manager. Cohen hired DeCosta as a Redskins intern, and then recommended him to Scott Pioli, who was in the Browns/Ravens pro personnel department before landing with the Jets and then Patriots.

    “He was a natural guy to recommend,” Cohen said of DeCosta. “His passion for the game and attention to detail are really high. Those are things that lend to success in this business.”

    DeCosta might not even be in the business if it wasn’t for Cohen, who earned his masters at UMass.

    “I’ve always admired Scott and owe a lot to him,” DeCosta said. “You’ll never hear anyone ever say a bad word about Scott.”

    Before DeCosta left to work for the Ravens, he had a message for his buddies in Taunton.

    “We all asked him what his ultimate goal was,” Monteiro said. “He said, ‘I want to be a GM. I want to run the show one day.’ I said, ‘If I know you, someday you will be there.’

    “He works 20 hours a day and doesn’t even care. I stayed at his place, I walk in the house and there are videotapes everywhere, cords running around from all the VCRs. . . . He said it right from the start. Sure enough, the way he is with his work ethic, I knew he’d be there.”

    Given a chance by the Ravens, DeCosta’s talents took over.

    “He was the first guy that we hired as a scouting intern when we came to Baltimore,” Newsome said. “He’s learned how to do everything from the bottom up. He can process information very quickly. He will always give you his valued opinion. He’s a true team player.”

    DeCosta is obsessively organized. You can even see that in the way he dresses. Everything is perfect. Nothing out of place. Just like his backyard in Taunton.

    “He hasn’t changed one bit from the time that we were young kids until right now,” Monteiro said. “He knew where everything was. We worked together in a summer program. We’d sneak out and play some Wiffle ball games in his backyard. He made sure before we left that yard, everybody put the bat and the ball right back where it belonged, and the next day we got there it was in the same spot.”

    And 17 years later, DeCosta is in the same spot. And he wouldn’t have it any other way.

    His wife, Lacie, is from Baltimore and her built-in support system helps manage their three children — Jane, 9; Michael, 5; and Jack, 2 — while DeCosta works his long hours.

    And then there are the “brothers” DeCosta works alongside — Pat Moriarty (vice president of football administration), George Kokinis (senior personnel assistant), Newsome, and owner Steve Bisciotti.

    “We’re a lot a like in a lot of ways and he’s given me a lot of responsibility, and I plan on him giving him back as much as I can,” DeCosta said of Bisciotti, who has made it financially possible for DeCosta to stay. “I think Baltimore is a special place in a lot of different ways. And I’m comfortable there.

    “I’ve seen enough people go other places and not have good situations. I’m cautious. If I could spend the rest of my time working in Baltimore, it would be fantastic. Quite honestly, the truth of the matter is, if I have to spend the rest of my time in Baltimore working with Ozzie Newsome, if he stays to be GM the next 20 years, I’m blessed.

    “We speak the same language. We see things the same a lot of times. We may express it a little differently, but a lot of times he’ll look at me and I’ll look at him and we don’t have to say anything and you kind of know what each other is thinking. Ozzie’s my friend, we spend a lot of time together. I can honestly say that some of my very, very best memories in the NFL are always with Ozzie. I could tell you 50 stories and they almost all involved Ozzie at some point.”

    DeCosta and Newsome will have another one on Sunday with Super Bowl XLVII, and Taunton watching.

    “It’s unbelievable,” Monteiro said. “Words can’t put into perspective how proud we are of him. I saw him on TV once up in the booth and all I could do was sit there and laugh. Everybody wanted to know what was wrong with me. That’s the same kid I was sitting down with at the lunch table 20 years [ago] in high school and look at him now.”

    Keep the faith. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Paully D wrote: »
    I remember saying the same thing a few years ago when he was linked to somewhere else and I think you told me that he won't leave as his family are settled in Baltimore and he's nailed on to replace Ozzie whenever that time comes.

    Just playing Devil's advocate, but Baltimore is less than a 3 hour drive from NYC...wouldn't be too bad of a commute :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    DeCosta is paid like a GM anyway and turned all these offers into $$$ from the owner. If he leaves it'll be for ambition and not for money


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