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Limerick mum and five children told ‘go to hostel’

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    #92
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Absolutely horrible woman, welfare should be capped at one child max for unmarried women.


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    #93
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    ...... welfare should be capped at one child max for unmarried women.

    :confused:

    Why not for married women?!


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    #94
    Gmol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Gmol


    It should be a legal requirement for the fathers name to be on the birth cert and money should be taken from wages/social welfare also children's allowance should be capped after two kids.


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    #95
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    catallus wrote: »
    :confused:

    Why not for married women?!

    And married men.


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    #96
    Chucken
    Registered Users Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Absolutely horrible woman, welfare should be capped at one child max for unmarried women.


    They should all be married off to the nearest bachelor farmer. That'll sort them out :rolleyes:


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    #97
    ptee1
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭ptee1


    Gatling wrote: »
    But this mammy isnt just getting basic €188 pw ,

    One parent family =€ 337pw

    Child benefit for 5 = €675 pm

    Rent supplement maximum of €600 pm

    €32,000 + pa no tax ,

    Free medical cards and probably has a travel pass



    She basically gets rewarded for pumping out kids


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    #98
    To Elland Back
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    catallus wrote: »
    Whoa there!

    Who said those men even wanted her to have those kids?!

    Victim-blaming if ever there was such.

    Are you saying it was male rape?

    If not, the males that impregnate these women need to take financial responsibility for the children they conceive. If Revenue can deduct the property tax at source, they can deduct child maintenance.


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    #99
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    To Elland Back wrote: »

    If not, the males that impregnate these women need to take financial responsibility for the children they conceive. If Revenue can deduct the property tax at source, they can deduct child maintenance.

    Why should a man pay for a woman conceiving? Has she no mind of her own? Is a man supposed to be fleeced for the rest of his life if some woman decides she wants his progeny against his will? Are you mad?!


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    #100
    Gatling
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    ptee1 wrote: »
    She basically gets rewarded for pumping out kids

    Essentially yes .
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    #101
    Frigga_92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Frigga_92


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Absolutely horrible woman, welfare should be capped at one child max for unmarried women.

    FYP


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    #102
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    catallus wrote: »
    Why should a man pay for a woman conceiving? Has she no mind of her own? Is a man supposed to be fleeced for the rest of his life if some woman decides she wants his progeny against his will? Are you mad?!

    Staying child free is a responsibility of both people


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    #103
    To Elland Back
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    catallus wrote: »
    Why should a man pay for a woman conceiving? Has she no mind of her own? Is a man supposed to be fleeced for the rest of his life if some woman decides she wants his progeny against his will? Are you mad?!

    If the man does not want children, he should take care of his own business. Very irresponsible not to ensure you can't get a woman pregnant, if that's what you want


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    #104
    [Deleted User]
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    To Elland Back wrote: »
    Are you saying it was male rape?

    If not, the males that impregnate these women need to take financial responsibility for the children they conceive. If Revenue can deduct the property tax at source, they can deduct child maintenance.

    But "these women" don't have to take any responsibility?


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    #105
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Staying child free is a responsibility of both people

    It patently is not.


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    #106
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    catallus wrote: »
    Whoa there!

    Who said those men even wanted her to have those kids?!

    Victim-blaming if ever there was such.

    Who's the victim? Only the taxpayer and the kids. Regardless of wanting them or not they are the inevitable results of having sex, they should have to take responsibility for their actions.


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    #107
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    catallus wrote: »
    Whoa there!

    Who said those men even wanted her to have those kids?!

    Victim-blaming if ever there was such.

    Yes, what if she raped those men?


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    #108
    To Elland Back
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    But "these women" don't have to take any responsibility?

    Of course they do. I was responding to a specific post raised by someone


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    #109
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    catallus wrote: »
    Why should a man pay for a woman conceiving? Has she no mind of her own? Is a man supposed to be fleeced for the rest of his life if some woman decides she wants his progeny against his will? Are you mad?!

    The mind is not the part that conceives, the parts for conception need to come from both a man and a woman.

    I'm surprised you did not learn this in Biology.


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    #110
    Iwasfrozen
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    catallus wrote: »
    :confused:

    Why not for married women?!

    Mothers of children born in wedlock have more rights of financial support so are less reliant on the state.


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    #111
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    catallus wrote: »
    Why should a man pay for a woman conceiving? Has she no mind of her own? Is a man supposed to be fleeced for the rest of his life if some woman decides she wants his progeny against his will? Are you mad?!

    Last time I checked it took two parties to make babies.


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    #112
    masculinist
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    To Elland Back wrote: »
    Are you saying it was male rape?

    If not, the males that impregnate these women need to take financial responsibility for the children they conceive. If Revenue can deduct the property tax at source, they can deduct child maintenance.

    Women can choose to abort, adopt, give away the baby etc. They can choose to have a baby or not have a baby but a man has zero choice. It's not fair could be the point being made. Why cant a man give up his rights and responsibilities towards a child if a woman wants to have that child on her own ? I couldn't do it but I can see the logic of it. Why can women choose to put the child up for adoption but not the man ? many men are lied to by women who got pregnant on purpose and against agreement. I can link to hundreds of articles about it. Some women have poked holes in condoms. And even worse stories abound about used condoms being retrieved and emptied... but in each case the man cannot give up his rights and legal responsibilities ... even under age boys who got raped by older women are forced into paying child support in some places...


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    #113
    Electric Sheep
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    masculinist wrote: »
    Women can choose to abort, adopt, give away the baby etc. They can choose to have a baby or not have a baby but a man has zero choice. It's not fair could be the point being made. Why cant a man give up his rights and responsibilities towards a child if a woman wants to have that child on her own ? I couldn't do it but I can see the logic of it. Why can women choose to put the child up for adoption but not the man ? many men are lied to by women who got pregnant on purpose and against agreement. I can link to hundreds of articles about it. Some women have poked holes in condoms. And even worse stories abound about used condoms being retrieved and emptied...

    Men have the choice to zip it up.


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    #114
    Chucken
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Mothers of children born in wedlock have more rights of financial support so are less reliant on the state.

    Tell that to the children of thousands of divorced women who have never received anything.
    You obviously have no idea of the realities of the situation.


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    #115
    catallus
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    Electric Sheep wrote: »
    Yes, what if she raped those men?

    That's so funny, rape jokes. Nice.
    Electric Sheep wrote: »
    The mind is not the part that conceives, the parts for conception need to come from both a man and a woman.

    The decision to continue a pregnancy is wholly the responsibility of the woman.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Mothers of children born in wedlock have more rights of financial support so are less reliant on the state.

    I really don't think this is factually correct.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Last time I checked it took two parties to make babies.

    You see, this type of pat deflection from the point is what makes this so infuriating.

    It isn't rocket science.


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    #116
    masculinist
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    Electric Sheep wrote: »
    Men have the choice to zip it up.

    Women have the choice to keep their word that they use contraception. [I can provide news links to these stories]


    Women have the choice not to retrieve used condoms or poke holes in condoms. [I can provide news links to these stories]

    Older women have the choice not to rape underage boys, get pregnant and then sue them for child support when they are adults. [I can provide news links to these stories]


    Rights and responsibilities go both ways


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    #117
    Gatling
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    Ifs safe to say somebody who suffer the same accident repeatedly .
    isn't having accidents at all.
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    #118
    To Elland Back
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    masculinist wrote: »
    Women can choose to abort, adopt, give away the baby etc. They can choose to have a baby or not have a baby but a man has zero choice. It's not fair could be the point being made. Why cant a man give up his rights and responsibilities towards a child if a woman wants to have that child on her own ? I couldn't do it but I can see the logic of it. Why can women choose to put the child up for adoption but not the man ? many men are lied to by women who got pregnant on purpose and against agreement. I can link to hundreds of articles about it. Some women have poked holes in condoms. And even worse stories abound about used condoms being retrieved and emptied... but in each case the man cannot give up his rights and legal responsibilities ... even under age boys who got raped by older women are forced into paying child support in some places...

    You've raised many valid points there, but the fact remains that men can control their own contraception arrangements


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    #119
    masculinist
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    To Elland Back wrote: »
    You've raised many valid points there, but the fact remains that men can control their own contraception arrangements

    but where is the male pill ?


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    #120
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    To Elland Back wrote: »
    You've raised many valid points there, but the fact remains that men can control their own contraception arrangements

    Contraception has always been the responsibility of the woman. The hint's in the word.


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    #121
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    catallus wrote: »
    Contraception has always been the responsibility of the woman. The hint's in the word.

    Wut???!!! Where'd you pull that from?


    also: contra- + conception.... where's the hint you mention?


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