Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Agent Coulson

djPSB wrote: »

No.

But one manager sitting in the relegation zone supposedly deserves more time than a manager who guided the team to second in the world's most competitive league last season and currently just 4 points off CL spots while playing appallingly.

Stop watching Sky!

djPSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

No "supposedly" about it. He definitely deserves more time/patience than Rodgers based on his record at the club when compared to Rodgers 1 good season at Liverpool.

That's one good season out of two.

People need to remember that in his first season, he inherited a squad that comprised of Spearing, Adam, Carroll etc.

Osmosis Jones

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Looking back at the game yesterday many of Rodgers decisions were mind boggling. Playing Balotelli up front alone for 70 mins then replacing him with borini instead of playing them both up top.
Also taking off Can when he was the best midfielder was another one.
Coutinho was very poor for the 2nd goal (Johnson going AWOL didn't help) and in my eyes he is a flat track bully or impact sub, bar the 5-1 win vs arsenal this year he hasn't performed against the big teams. Lambert offered nothing and him falling over himself was comical.

Rodgers needs to start delivering soon or I'm certain he will be gone next summer. FSG are business people and ain't gone put up with it.

Thought Coutinho played quite well myself, him and Can were the only players really willing to get forward from midfield. He's not a fullback, he was back trying to cover and he did slow Azpi down, Johnson should have been back quicker to help prevent the cross.

Mr Alan

Just to re-iterate a point I made the other day. The poster above is saying Rodgers got us to within a whisker of the league last year. It's looking increasingly like Suarez was the main reason for our fortunes last season, with Rodgers just along for the ride like the rest of us.

The next few weeks will show us one way or another.

Vicxas

I'm all for giving Rodgers time. My worry is that if we don't improve our champions league tenure could be over very quickly.

Surely losing the CL money could be more damaging.

Agent Coulson

djPSB wrote: »

That's one good season out of two.

People need to remember that in his first season, he inherited a squad that comprised of Spearing, Adam, Carroll etc.

He has spent over £200m and the squad isn't much better now.

Turtyturd

djPSB wrote: »

That's one good season out of two.

People need to remember that in his first season, he inherited a squad that comprised of Spearing, Adam, Carroll etc.

He also ostracised him, and shipped him out leaving us short on strikers.

Mr Alan

djPSB wrote: »

That's one good season out of two.

People need to remember that in his first season, he inherited a squad that comprised of Spearing, Adam, Carroll etc.

People need to remember that we've spent over a quarter of a billion quid since & the squad & first team are not really improving.

Demosthenese

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He has spent over £200m and the squad isn't much better now.

Squad is better as a whole, but 1-11 obviously is far worse off without Suarez.

... that said, we still should be dishing out better performances than we are. Simple as that. Can look at individuals all we like, GJ can't defend, Skrtel is a liability, Lovern is 25m waste, Gerards legs are gone ... but its a numbers game too and we simply carry too many players out of form to produce a cohesive team. 11 players fighting for eachother can dig out some good results - take QPR for example yesterday. Couldn't fault them for their passion.

... when was last time we said that until the "reserves" played Tuesday night?

djPSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just to re-iterate a point I made the other day. The post above is saying Rodgers got us to within a whisker of the league last year. It's looking increasingly like Suarez was the main reason for our fortunes last season, with Rodgers just along for the ride like the rest of us.

That's the same Suarez that scored 11 PL goals the season before Rodgers arrived. Rodgers deserves credit for Suarez' improved performances although others may not agree. To quote Luis himself:

'Over the first few weeks, that idea was the basis of the work we did with Brendan, the first of the building blocks in constructing a new approach. From the start, it convinced me. It made sense. And although the results weren’t good, I could see that we were playing better. I was excited.

The new style suited me. Playing in England where all the centre-backs are tall and strong, the long punt up the pitch is no good to me, but a quick ball to release me either side of them works well. Mostly, I need the ball on the floor and Brendan knew that and he also worked with me on the movements I could make to isolate defenders. He was confident that if I could take them on one-on-one, I would be likely to beat them. He was keen to play to my strengths and my style suited his.

He knew that I’m a very instinctive player who plays on intuition. He knew that if he put me in as a static number nine, waiting for the wingers to put crosses in, I’d be no good.

Not no good, in fact, but worse than that – I’m not there. He knew that I’m a mobile striker and that a lot of the time you’ll find me outside the area, looking for space, moving. I won’t be there as a target for two wide men to aim crosses at.'

kryogen

djPSB wrote: »

No.

But one manager sitting in the relegation zone supposedly deserves more time than a manager who guided the team to second in the world's most competitive league last season and currently just 4 points off CL spots while playing appallingly.

The league was actually not that strong last year, Klopp has won titles in Germany beating the mighty Muncih, he has also taken a team to the final of the Champions League and he is having no trouble qualifying his team from the group stages even with the injury problems they are having.

Rodgers has talent as a manager, but to rank him higher then Klopp at this point is simply bizarre

djPSB

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He has spent over £200m and the squad isn't much better now.

The squad is a lot better. The first 11 is not, bit it's not easy replace a player like Suarez. Injuries to Sturridge haven't helped.

We've lost 50% of our goals from last season (Suarez+Sturridge) and regardless of much money is spent, that is not easy to replace.

Of all the money that was spent this summer, Lovren and Balotelli are the only ones I would say are not going to contribute much going forward.

Gbear

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Rodgers as a manager.

Watford left them after 6 months saved them from relegation.

Reading sacked after 6 months after spending a lot of money and refusing to change his style. leaving them in thr relegation zone.

Swansea took over at a well built team with a playing style started by a former manager and carried on by others who took over to this day. Brought them into the preimer league via the play offs.

Preimer league era as manager 11th with Swansea then joins Liverpool to finish 7th, 2nd & ?.

Can Liverpool afford to giver him time I think we can till the end of the season. But if we finish 7th again his time will be up one way or another.

And attitudes like this are why Tottenham have been a perpetual failure.

djPSB

kryogen wrote: »

The league was actually not that strong last year, Klopp has won titles in Germany beating the mighty Muncih, he has also taken a team to the final of the Champions League and he is having no trouble qualifying his team from the group stages even with the injury problems they are having.

Rodgers has talent as a manager, but to rank him higher then Klopp at this point is simply bizarre

Not for a second suggesting Rodgers is better than Klopp.

But Liverpool punched way above their weight last season in almost winning a title. Rodgers deserves alot of credit for this or maybe it was all just down to Suarez as is being suggested by some.

Very few managers would have achieved what Rodgers achieved with Liverpool last season.

Agent Coulson

Gbear wrote: »

And attitudes like this are why Tottenham have been a perpetual failure.

And Chelsea are perpetual winners with the same attitude.

djPSB

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And Chelsea are perpetual winners with the same attitude.

It has nothing to do with the billions they have pumped into the squad. All down to the fact that the switch managers every second season

Also, the day that LFC adopt a similar philosophy to Chelsea will be the day I will never set foot in Anfield again!

Agent Coulson

djPSB wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the billions they have pumped into the squad. All down to the fact that the switch managers every second season.

We pumped close to £600m into the squad since Rafa became manager 10 years ago when they first won the league.

Billions???

How many billions have Chelsea spent?

Mr Alan

djPSB wrote: »

But Liverpool punched way above their weight last season in almost winning a title. Rodgers deserves alot of credit for this or maybe it was all just down to Suarez as is being suggested by some.

How come Liverpool appear incapable of even punching to their own weight this season if Rodgers was the catalyst for last seasons over performance?

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just to re-iterate a point I made the other day. The poster above is saying Rodgers got us to within a whisker of the league last year. It's looking increasingly like Suarez was the main reason for our fortunes last season, with Rodgers just along for the ride like the rest of us.

The next few weeks will show us one way or another.

You forget about. Sturridge
Far more consistent over last season than Suarez was.

Mr Alan

Augeo wrote: »

You forget about. Sturridge
Far more consistent over last season than Suarez was.

A player Rodgers didn't even really want by most accounts. His only really successful transfer.

Disagree very much that Sturridge was more consistent that Suarez last season. In fact, I suspect Sturridge was one of the biggest benefactors of Suarez being at the club. We'll see.

djPSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

A player Rodgers didn't even really want by most accounts. His only really successful transfer.

I have no problem looking at both the positives and negatives of Rodgers tenure to date.

But you are hell-bent on focusing on the negatives only.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

A player Rodgers didn't even really want by most accounts. His only really successful transfer.

... Nothing to do with my point, your post that I quoted suggested Suarez was the sole reason for last year's title challenge. When called on it you bring in the rubbish I am now quoting to suit your blinkered view

Cantona's Collars

Devilman40k wrote: »

No but if defending is so easy (according to Rodgers) then why are we so bad at it?

This season is starting to resemble Rodgers season with Reading he spent big there (relative to their budget) and refused to adapt, constantly stating work harder and it would get better and it cost him.His blind belief in a single system could be his downfall again.

Balotelli offers no movement which nullifies any threat Gerrards passing range gives and puts pressure on midfield and therefore the defence. The quick interplay and transitions from last season are gone and it's all one dimensional.

If there is no improvement in next 5 league games watch the pressure ratchet up.

+1

There's a couple of posters here who'll treat anything I post with disdain & suspicion then thank each other.
So one suggests I post it in the humour thread:rolleyes: I know his form so I disregard anything he posts.

People are discussing Liverpool's poor defending,I post a picture showing just how bad it is from a simple set piece and a couple get offended - go figure.

8-10

We should go in for Arek Milik. Guy is the next Lewandovski. Another great finish today, scoring a lot this season and is on loan so presumably parent club (think it's Leverkusen?) should be up for an offer.

lt always amazes me how these goalscorer types don't get snapped up. Huntelaar is another example, scores everywhere he goes. Milik would be awesome

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

....
Disagree very much that Sturridge was more consistent that Suarez last season. In fact, I suspect Sturridge was one of the biggest benefactors of Suarez being at the club. We'll see.

Sturridge did just fine when Suarez wasn't on the pitch.

Osmosis Jones

Watching the WBA game, I'd kill to even have Wisdom back

Chucky the tree

zerks wrote: »

+1

There's a couple of posters here who'll treat anything I post with disdain & suspicion then thank each other.
So one suggests I post it in the humour thread:rolleyes: I know his form so I disregard anything he posts.

People are discussing Liverpool's poor defending,I post a picture showing just how bad it is from a simple set piece and a couple get offended - go figure.

I'm pretty sure it's every poster, and there is a very good reason for that.

Mr Alan

djPSB wrote: »

I have no problem looking at both the positives and negatives of Rodgers tenure to date.

But you are hell-bent on focusing on the negatives only.

Positives:

1) Deals with the media well
2) Likes attacking football
3) Understands the ethos of the club

Negatives:

1) Shocking record in transfer market
2) Struggles to attract big name players
3) Tactically naive
4) Tactically inflexible
5) Defensive coaching (or lack thereof)
6) Talks ****e


A fairly fair summary as things stand IMO

Whatever about the rest of the negatives # 6 surely applies to almost every manager.

Cantona's Collars

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's every poster, and there is a very good reason for that.

And along comes another of the gang.....only a couple more to go & ye'll all be here.;)

Now get back on topic like a good man & take your digs to twitter.:rolleyes: